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Jose Slaughter
04-04-2004, 01:52 AM
For those that haven't noticed, the older threads in this series can now be found in the Forum Archive section.

This one should be fun!

The disclaimers..........

From NBA.com, a story on the Bobcats draft.
http://www.nba.com/bobcats/news/expansion_draft.html

This paragraph has the basic info.

Charlotte will receive lists from each of the 27 teams not competing in the NBA Finals 10 days prior to the scheduled Expansion Draft (June 12) and those from the competing teams in the Finals within two days of the conclusion of the Finals. Team lists will designate a maximum of eight protected players for that teamís players under contract or restricted free agents for the 2004-05 NBA season. The unprotected players are eligible for selection by the Bobcats, who will draft a minimum of 14 players from NBA rosters.

Free agent info from REAL GM.
http://www.realgm.com/src_freeagents.php?year=2004

Salary information can be found at Hoops Hype.
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Here is the current Knicks roster.

Allan Houston
Anfernee Hardaway
Stephon Marbury
Tim Thomas
Shandon Anderson
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed
Dikembe Mutombo
Moochie Norris
Othella Harrington
Mike Sweetney
Cezary Trybanski
Frank Williams
Vin Baker
DerMarr Johnson

New York has a full roster of 15 players & only 2 are free agents this off season, neither of them are restricted.

Knicks signed for 04-05

Allan Houston ----------- $17,531,250
Anfernee Hardaway ---- $14,625,000
Stephon Marbury ------- $14,625,000
Tim Thomas -------------- $12,900,000
Shandon Anderson ------ $7,300,000
Kurt Thomas -------------- $5,884,500
Nazr Mohammed --------- $5,250,000
Dikembe Mutombo ------- $4,496,000
Moochie Norris ------------ $3,850,000
Othella Harrington ------- $3,150,000
Mike Sweetney ----------- $1,978,920
Cezary Trybanski -------- $1,760,000
Frank Williams -------------- $957,480

Free agents

Vin Baker
DerMarr Johnson

There are a few guys that are pretty much certain to make the list. Marbury, Kurt Thomas, Mohammed, Sweetney & Williams get the first 5 spots.

After that it's a crap shoot.

Houston, Hardaway, Tim Thomas, Anderson, Mutombo, Norris, Harrington & Trybanski are the 8 guys left that will fill up the last 3 places.

Houston, Hardaway, Thomas & Anderson are way to expensive to be selected.

Mutombo is too old.

Norris is kindda boarderline. Might be a little high priced but he does have some talent.

Harrington will be in the last year of his contract next season & he is averaging 15.6 MPG, shooting .495 from the field. When compared to the rest of the roster this guy's a bargin. I'll put him on the list at #6.

Trybanski is 7-2 240 & now with his 3rd team in just 2 seasons. The thing that gets me is, if Isiah didn't want this guy on the team he would have been waived months ago. He must see something there. If that's the case, considering his low salary, as well as his size, Trybanski gets spot #7.

For the final spot we get to select from this stellar group.

Houston, Hardaway, Tim Thomas, Anderson, Mutombo & Norris.

Only Mutombo & Norris might hold any interest from the Bobcat.

Mutombo is 57 years old, not really, he turns 38 at the end of June. His numbers are not really that bad. In 23.4 MPG he is averaging 5.8 points on 48.4% shooting, 6.7 boards & 1.9 blocks. He will also be in the final year of his contract next season. He might be a very hot trade prospect next Febuary.

Norris's numbers are not as good, as a matter of fact I would say they are very Knick like. In 11.9 minutes he is averaging 3.9 points on 40% from the field, 1 board & an assist to turnover ratio of less than 2 to 1. On the plus side for Norris, his numbers are better then Frank Williams, however, Norris makes 4 times what Williams does & is 7 years older. Sorry Moochie, you don't make the cut.

Mutombo gets the final spot.

Here is the Knicks protected list.

Stephon Marbury
Kurt Thomas
Nazr Mohammed
Dikembe Mutombo
Othella Harrington
Mike Sweetney
Cezary Trybanski
Frank Williams

These are the players the Knicks make available to the Bobcats.

Allan Houston
Anfernee Hardaway
Tim Thomas
Shandon Anderson
Moochie Norris

I really don't see Charlotte selecting any of these guys.

Here is the Charlotte Expansion Draft.

Atlanta ------------- No Pick
Boston ------------- C - Kedrick Perkins -------- $729,500
Chicago ------------ No Pick
Cleveland ---------- G - Kevin Ollie ----------- $2,704,350
Dallas --------------- G - Tony Delk ----------- $3,150,000
Denver -------------- F - Ryan Bowen -------- $1,400,000 (est)
Detroit -------------- No Pick
Golden State ------ No Pick
Houston ------------ GF - Adrian Griffin ---------- $807,546
Indiana ------------- C - Primoz Brezec ------- $1,554,326
L.A. Clippers ------- F - Melvin Ely ------------- $1,742,400
L.A. Lakers --------- No Pick
Memphis ------------ GF - Dahntay Jones ---- $1,143,360
Miami ---------------- No Pick
Milwaukee ----------- F Marcus Haislip -------- $1,655,280
Minnesota ----------- No Pick
New Jersey --------- C- Alanzo Mourning ----- $5,408,700
New Orleans -------- No Pick
New York ------------ No Pick

Total payroll $20,295,492
The 4th pick in the 2004 draft (Charlottes pick) is slotted to make roughly $2,523,200. I have yet to add it in, but I do want to keep it in mind.

Charlotte's payroll next season will be 2/3's of the salary cap. If the cap is 45M then the Bobcats will have about 30M for players.

Links to previous threads in this series.

Atlanta ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=996
Boston ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1038
Chicago ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1083
Cleveland -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1122
Dallas ------- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1162
Denver ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1216
Detroit ------ http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1251
Golden St. -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1318
Houston ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1355
Indiana ----- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1427
LA Clippers - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1493
LA Lakers --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1543
Memphis ---- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1615
Miami ----- -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1681
Milwaukee -- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1719
Minnesota --- http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1743
New Jersey - http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1798
New Orleans http://www.pacersdigest.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1939

Next up the Orlando Magic

Peck
04-04-2004, 02:53 AM
No way does Thomas leave Tim Thomas unprotected. Zeke would look like a fool for makeing a trade that many felt was one to many & then compound the problem by not protecting him.

Also I don't think Allen Houston will be left unprotected either. I know in the $$$ world it would make a lot of sense to leave him unprotected but I just think from a P.R. point of view he won't do it.

So to me that leaves Cezary Trybanski & Frank Williams unprotected along with Shandon Anderson, Moochie Norris & Penny Hardaway.

My first inclination would be to pick Trybanski but I've already got them with Brezac & for the money Frank Williams is a value.

So my prediciton is the Bobcats take Frank Williams.

Atlanta - no pick
Boston - Jumaine Jones $ 1,687,500
Chicago - Chris Jeffries $ 899,040
Cleveland - Kedrick Brown $ 2,332,388
Dallas - Tony Delk $ 3,150,00
Denver - no pick
Detroit - no pick
Golden State - Popeye Jones
Houston - no pick
Indiana - Primoz Brezac $1,554,326
L.A. Clips - Melvin Ely $ 1,742,400
L.A. Lakers - Devan George $ 4,500,000
Memphis - no pick (trade)
Miami - no pick
Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
Minnesota - no pick.
New Jersey - no pick
New Orleans - no pick
New York - Frank Williams $957,480

Anthem
04-04-2004, 03:14 AM
No way does Thomas leave Tim Thomas unprotected... Also I don't think Allen Houston will be left unprotected either. I know in the $$$ world it would make a lot of sense to leave him unprotected but I just think from a P.R. point of view he won't do it.

Peck, man, I've generally agreed with your picks. But I think you're wrong on both counts. The Bobcats would never take either of those players. If they did, people in New York would be DANCING IN THE STREETS.

Either of those players could be replaced with the MLE. Allan Houston will make TWENTY FREAKING MILLION DOLLARS A YEAR by the time his contract is up, and I'd take Jimmy Jackson over him any day of the week.

Peck
04-04-2004, 03:41 AM
Allen Houston I'm not sure about. Like I said, from a $ point of view it would make all of the sense in the world to leave him exposed.

I'll be honest with you, I don't know the value of Houston to the Knicks fans right now. Maybe Rimfire can fill me in?

I know he used to be beloved but I know he has underachieved lately & I don't know how popular he is.

Tim Thomas on the other hand I feel confident about. No way Zeke puts his ego on the line and admits that that was a bad trade.

Even if both are exposed I would not be shocked to see the Bobcats pick up either one & use them as trade bait.

But for now, I will stand firm on my pick. Frank Williams.

Anthem
04-04-2004, 03:49 AM
But for now, I will stand firm on my pick. Frank Williams.

If I'm the Bobcats, I'd be chomping at the bit to get Frank Williams. I'd much rather have him than T.Thomas at $12mil/year. That's an awful lot of money for somebody who wouldn't be the best player on your team and isn't a leader or a role model. No way they pick him.

Rimfire, what are your thoughts?

Will Galen
04-04-2004, 01:00 PM
Even if both are exposed I would not be shocked to see the Bobcats pick up either one & use them as trade bait.

People keep saying they could pick up a player for trade bait. I said it myself about Van Horn. But I've rethought that position. Houston makes $17 million and Tim makes $13 million.

If the Bobcats picked those guys or other high priced talent who could they trade them for? Charlotte can't trade 1 for 1 because they have to pick at least 14 players and they can't go over their $30 million cap. (unless they pick a restricted free agent) Of course they can just cut the player, and he won't count against the cap, but they would still have to pay him.

Thus I don't see Charlotte picking anyone who's contract is over $5 million.

In this case it just makes sense for NY to leave Houston and Thomas unprotected. I look for a lot of high priced players to be left unprotected.

The Bobcats won't make a pick from NY.

Arcadian
04-04-2004, 01:04 PM
I would be surprised if NY left Frank Williams unprotected. I believe that I've heard that NY is high on him. Its a hard thing to do to give up on a young point guard and athis price I'm sure the Bobcats would pick him up.

kerosene
04-19-2004, 11:35 PM
I don't NY leaving Williams or Harrington unprotected. I do see Moochie being left unprotected and taken by Charlotte. Will be a servicable backup at a decent price for them; the guy also has been a fan favorite type and they could use one of those considering they're not on a fast track to win.

Atlanta - No Pick
Boston - Kedrick Perkins - $729,500
Chicago - No Pick _or_ Eddie Robinson + Draft Pick - $6,767,540 + Pick or $0
Cleveland - No Pick
Dallas - Tony Delk - $3,150,000
Denver - No Pick
Detroit - No Pick _or_ Campbell (in hopes of getting talent for this expiring contract at the deadline) - $4,400,000 or $0
Golden State - No Pick
Houston - Adrian Griffin - $807,546
Indiana - Primoz Brezec - $1,554,326
LA Clippers - Melvin Ely - $1,742,400
LA Lakers - No Pick
Memphis - Theron Smith - $620,046
Miami - No Pick
Milwaukee - Marcus Haislip $1,655,280
Minnesota - No Pick
New Jersey - No Pick
New Orleans - No Pick
New York - Moochie Norris - $3,850,000

$25,276,638 if they take both Robinson and Campbell. Draft pick from Chicago will add to that though too.
$14,109,098 if they take neither of the above