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GetOdom
01-20-2006, 06:35 AM
If Ron is not traded this year and Walsh decides to put him on the IR list how would your reaction be?

317Kim
01-20-2006, 06:39 AM
:shakehead I've been traumatized for life.

Really, I'd be upset because we cant keep going in and out of games dressing 9 people and even when JO and Tins get better, we're still gonna need all the fire power we can get. but IF it is really worth the wait like if DW had something planned with a team but for some reason the deal had to wait then I'd most likely be okay waiting.

Hicks
01-20-2006, 09:25 AM
I won't be happy, but I won't be surprised either. However for now I expect something to happen in the next couple weeks because of how long this has gone, how close we've already come to making a deal, and the fact that it is so quiet right now. I woke up this morning after what's already been several quiet days, to find the trade rumor thread has 0 replies since last night. NOTHING has been said this morning.

Harddrive7
01-20-2006, 10:17 AM
I look at it like this. Even if we do get a quality player for Ron this year, no way we compete for a championship this year. Sure we get to the playoffs and maybe even squeak past the first round.

IMO, it's going to take off season moves and maybe even a year or two after that before we're back up to championship considerations.

So I feel that it doesn't really matter how long it takes this year. I don't think that it's going to make a significant impact for at least a year anyway.

sixthman
01-20-2006, 10:21 AM
If an Artest trade is not made by the trade deadline, I will be disappointed. Very much so. But life will go on and the summer will be all that more interesting.

brichard
01-20-2006, 10:51 AM
I'm far less worried about the trade and more worried that we are going to have another lackluster season.

Last year hopes were high coming off a great season. The brawl killed it and we never recovered.

This year we had all out main players back and Artest was set to return us to glory. The way we started off the year tainted my enthusiasm and then Artest squashed it like a bug with his shoe.

The only way this trade matters to me is if it brings somebody who can help us win. I'd much rather wait instead of picking up a stiff like Chris Mihm or Kwame Brown. If those are the only people we can get in a trade, please don't do it. At least give me hope that something can be done. :)

I think we will push for a trade by the deadline so we can A.) Get a player to help us and B.) Knock another team out of consideration by delivering them the cancer that is Ron Artest.

Skaut_Ech
01-20-2006, 11:06 AM
I'm far less worried about the trade and more worried that we are going to have another lackluster season.

Last year hopes were high coming off a great season. The brawl killed it and we never recovered.

This year we had all out main players back and Artest was set to return us to glory. The way we started off the year tainted my enthusiasm and then Artest squashed it like a bug with his shoe.

The only way this trade matters to me is if it brings somebody who can help us win. I'd much rather wait instead of picking up a stiff like Chris Mihm or Kwame Brown. If those are the only people we can get in a trade, please don't do it. At least give me hope that something can be done. :)


:iagree: You know what this season is feeling like to me? That first season when Isah took over. You never knew what to expect and every game was a new adventure in team identity.

I'm all for waiting to make a trade. I think the lack of pressure in the off season would do wonders for negotiations.

Indyfan
01-20-2006, 11:20 AM
If we can't get anything really good by the deadline, then I am ok with waiting. Its not like we are close to contending with Detroit or SA this year, and it is satisfying to know Ron is having to sit and not play and there is nothing he can do about it after all he has done to our team the last two years. We may be able to make a better trade this summer.

I do feel for the players though, for their sake I would like to see this over with so they can really move on and not have to look over their shoulder wondering who may be going with Ron. It has to be hard on Coach too, 2 years of a four year contract wasted because of Ron.

Gamble
01-20-2006, 11:33 AM
Whether we trade Artest or not doesn't matter to me but what
does is if we make no move at all for good or very good players.
If a team only wants draft picks and expiring contracts than i wouldn't
hesitate. What bothers me is that other teams seem to able and
willing to get All-Stars for this and somehow we can't make it happen.

ChicagoJ
01-20-2006, 11:39 AM
As long as he never puts on the blue and gold again, I'm okay.

We're better off without him than with him. Of course, getting something in return would be icing on the cake.

Repeat after me, "We weren't really contenders in the first place."

Look at Tom's avatar, and add two more trash cans. That's what every Ron Artest team can look forward to. Give the Pacers 18 months to re-tool the team and build some chemistry, and then they will be real, not pretend, contenders.

Jermaniac
01-20-2006, 12:02 PM
I'm going to be pissed

naptownmenace
01-20-2006, 12:32 PM
It would be the perfect ending to the most depressing two years in Indiana pro sports.


Of course, I wouldn't be okay with it. I'd rather get Tim Thomas or Antonio Davis' expiring contract and a draft pick for Artest and Pollard than just go the season without him.

If the Pacers don't trade Artest and get someone who can help the team this year, they might as well get out of Salary Cap jail and build for next year because it'll mean that they've given up on this season.

Another thought is, if the Pacers are giving up on the season, why not just play Artest? Who cares if he wreaks the chemistry, especially if the Pacers are just gonna tank another season anyway?

I know that's a terrible idea but IMO it's no worse than not trading Artest before the trading deadline.

beast23
01-20-2006, 12:43 PM
:iagree: You know what this season is feeling like to me? That first season when Isah took over. You never knew what to expect and every game was a new adventure in team identity.

I'm all for waiting to make a trade. I think the lack of pressure in the off season would do wonders for negotiations.I totally agree.

I believe that some of the possible trades that could be made before the trade deadline involve players in the final years of their contracts. And acquiring such a player certainly introduces a significant risk to the Pacers... we could end up giving away Artest for nothing if the player doesn't re-sign.

So, if nothing else, waiting until summer gives the Pacers several more options and also reduces their risk. A sign-and-trade could be worked out.

Also, once the exact positioning of lottery teams is known, it might open up a trade with one of those teams for a combination of players and picks.

During the summer, I think it is more likely that additional Pacers could be involved in the trade without an immediate risk of totally messing up continuity like it would while the season is ongoing.

There must be several reasons to either do the trade before the deadline or wait until summer. But, especially in light of the fact that it doesn't appear the Pacers can become anything special this season, I would guess that there is probably a much bigger advantage in waiting.

Will Galen
01-20-2006, 12:52 PM
If Ron is not traded this year and Walsh decides to put him on the IR list how would your reaction be?

One, it's not possible for Walsh to put Ron on the IR list. Why? Because there is no IR list. Injured Reserve (IR) is the previous name for the Inactive List. Teams used to stash uninjured players on the IR is the reason it was changed. Once put on the IR list a player had to stay for 5 days. Now teams can change players day to day.

Two, Walsh put Ron on the Inactive List weeks ago, and my reaction was I wasn't surprised.

Three, if Bird and Walsh are not happy with the offers they get before the deadline I expect them to keep Ron and wait until the off season to trade him. I would rather have a trade before the deadline, but if they wait until the off season I won't be unhappy about it.

ChicagoJ
01-20-2006, 12:53 PM
Another thought is, if the Pacers are giving up on the season, why not just play Artest? Who cares if he wreaks the chemistry, especially if the Pacers are just gonna tank another season anyway?

I know that's a terrible idea but IMO it's no worse than not trading Artest before the trading deadline.

You really would need fifteen new players if management attempted to bring him back to the team.

You might get the first on-court, bench clearing fight among only players from the same team. I wonder what David Stern would do then... :chin:

I wonder if it would be 10 vs. 2 or if the slugging might break off into three or four different factions? Would the guys in street clothes also get involved?

Shade
01-20-2006, 12:58 PM
I would be disappointed, but if it netted us a player worth waiting for, I'd be okay with it. If it didn't, however, I would be beyond furious.

Slick Pinkham
01-20-2006, 01:01 PM
I am getting impatient, and if we accept something LESS that Corey Maggette because he was hurt and then he comes back strong almost as soon as we get a lesser player, I will listen more carefully to the anti-Donnie voices around here that I usually ignore.

I want the best player we can get for next year, because I think this year we can't truly contend. So with that in mind a summer deal would be OK.

Priorities for me:

1) best player to help us next year
2) help for this year
3) help for 2-4 years down the road (mostly, cap relief type deals or long-term projects and draft picks)

Evan_The_Dude
01-20-2006, 01:11 PM
Oh snap, we're still doing this Ron thingy? :D

Peck
01-20-2006, 04:57 PM
I could live with them holding off till the summer but I am pretty sure that the local fan base inside the fieldhouse needs something done & done fairly soon.

Or what we saw at the last game (half empty) will become the norm. as the season goes on and any hop for sellouts for the playoffs will just be a pipe dream.

CableKC
01-20-2006, 05:09 PM
Because I want a player like Pietrus...I would be disappointed if we didn't move Artest to get him ( if everything else...like the Maggette deal....falls apart ). Players like Pietrus and Biedrins ( if both are available ) would fall into the "players that we can use to build for the future" catagory that will likely not be available during the offseason. Right now....despite his low trade value....is a good time to move Artest because of the liklihood of how he would affect a team's playoff run for this season.

But really...I would be disappointed because we...as Pacer fans....were held hostage by all this speculation for the last month. Its gonna be worse if we get to the day after the Trade deadline and we haven't traded him.

Chauncey
01-20-2006, 05:10 PM
Unacceptable, unless the alternative was the only deals that were actually offered were bad contracts.

Outlaw
01-20-2006, 05:34 PM
No! Because Ron will have been out of organized Bball for almost 2 seasons.I don't see how that would help in bargaining power.Not to mention the fact the cloud hanging over the players heads as this thing plays out.It obviously is affecting the team no matter they say.Not knowing WHO might be shipped out with Ron.

SoupIsGood
01-20-2006, 05:41 PM
A deal needs to be done. If the deadline goes by, and Ron hasn't been traded, then Donnie has simply fallen asleep at the wheel.

Bball
01-20-2006, 05:52 PM
This is the Walsh we all know and love. Tentative to the core. Waiting. Watching. Hoping. Waiting. Why should the Artest situation be any different?

This team needs to make a move, tho it doesn't necessarilly have to be Artest. The fanbase needs an energizer (something to happen). We know we have problems, yet nothing is happening. Nothing.

-Bball

GetOdom
01-20-2006, 05:54 PM
A deal needs to be done. If the deadline goes by, and Ron hasn't been traded, then Donnie has simply fallen asleep at the wheel.

I think he's already fallen asleep.

Anthem
01-20-2006, 05:54 PM
No, I wouldn't. I'm in Bball's corner on this one.... if it's not Ron, we need to do something else. In my ideal world, we move Ron AND do something else.

If we do nothing, we're pissing this season away. Also, I think Ron's value will be highest at the trade deadline. If we go to summer with no deal, Ron's value will drop even lower.

rexnom
01-20-2006, 06:20 PM
This is the Walsh we all know and love. Tentative to the core. Waiting. Watching. Hoping. Waiting. Why should the Artest situation be any different?

This team needs to make a move, tho it doesn't necessarilly have to be Artest. The fanbase needs an energizer (something to happen). We know we have problems, yet nothing is happening. Nothing.

-Bball

I agree. I thought the number one goal after winning a championship was making money and have people interested in the team. Well, we are a VERY discouraged fanbase at this point. Throw in the recent Colts disappointment, it's almost like Indiana is counting on the Pacers now. If Donnie pulls off a killer trade and gets us back up there then the fan base will be reenergized and people will flock back to the games. A deal has to be done for us, if anything. I am some disheartened right now. Just negative about everything. My favorite team has been crushed the past two years basically. Heartbreak after heartbreak. More shocking than any other team's defeats and downs. Even if it's a trade for Maggette and he doesn't end up getting activated til next season, it will be better than nothing.

MaHa3000
01-20-2006, 06:37 PM
I would be disappointed, but if it netted us a player worth waiting for, I'd be okay with it. If it didn't, however, I would be beyond furious.
I agree
The longer we wait the better the trade needs to be. The pressure for DW to work out something special will be very high this summer if nothing gets done in Feb. I'm not so sure that Artest's value will go up enough in the summer to bring in someone who will please the impatient Pacer fan.

Bball
01-20-2006, 07:06 PM
I'm in Bball's corner on this one....

:devil:Snow cones for sale. Contact: Beelzebub:devil:

:-p

-Bball

Pacesetter
01-20-2006, 07:08 PM
I've been to nearly all the games this year at home. It doesn't matter to me one way or the other. I'm more concerned right now for the health of our starters JO, and JT. We've got a team of guys who have stuck together very well this year considering the volatility coming into the year from what happened last year. I've seen some really good things out of our guys, including Steve's progress, AJ's career night, Jeff's progress back into game shape from hip surgery, Austin's consistency, Sarunas getting sharper on defense, and progressing nicely into NBA form, Danny's incredible midterm report card, etc ... there's so much going on with the team, I really can't even worry about Ron's deal. We'll get someone at some point but until then it's full speed ahead for this fan!

Anthem
01-20-2006, 11:22 PM
:devil:Snow cones for sale. Contact: Beelzebub:devil:
I've agreed with you before... I think. :laugh:

Here, though, you're right. We should have struck while the iron was hot.

Kegboy
01-21-2006, 11:50 AM
:dejavu:

http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17941&highlight=traded

Keeping Ron makes no sense to me, from a fan relations standpoint, nor from a basketball administration standpoint.

We're unable to put a full squad out there every night, and even if everyone was healthy, our roster is terribly unbalanced. If we don't make a trade, management might as well put up a big billboard above Conseco that says, "We've given up on this season, and no, you can't have your money back. Deal with it." If that happens, my Reasons list would go into the millions.

Secondly, I just can't get my head wrapped around this fairy tale that deals will be better in the off-season. There's a reason why Donnie doesn't do mid-season trades. They're about quick fixes. Summer deals are about the long term. Name me a GM who will come out and say, "We're building our team around a great player who hasn't played in two years due to his own stupidity. Come on out and get your tickets today!" No team's gonna want to deal with that public relations nightmare for months before the season starts. Better to get him when they can put him on the court right away, where his play may dispel the critics.

If we can't get a good deal, we're better off getting an expiring contract, which, when combined with Reggie, JB, Scot, and Fred, gives us a much healthier cap situation, and puts us in the position to sign a quality FA that will probably be better than whomever we luck into getting for Ron.

We're dealing from a position of weakness. Waiting is not going to make that position any better. It's just delaying the inevitable.

CableKC
01-21-2006, 11:53 AM
RealGM article quoted from ESPN:

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/38770/20060121/walsh_prepared_to_wait_even_longer_on_trade_doesnt _expect_to_have_to/


Pacers CEO Donnie Walsh reiterated this week that he's prepared to keep Ron Artest past the Feb. 23 trading deadline if he feels the need.

But he doesn't think he'll need to.

Walsh told ESPN.com that he remains confident that the Pacers can find a suitable trade partner in the final month of trading season -- as opposed to waiting for the offseason to move Artest -- after an all-but-done deal for the Clippers' Corey Maggette collapsed.

"I do think we're getting closer," Walsh said. "I do think we'll have something in the next week or so."

Walsh adds that the Pacers' preference remains a trade involving only one other team and involving as few players as possible. Without discussing specific scenarios, he acknowledged that "we'd also look at cap savings."

Artest, according to Walsh, has not asked to be reactivated by the Pacers since the initial withdrawal of his trade demand. Walsh also said he won't consider allowing Artest to play for the Pacers again if no deal is struck before the deadline.

"Our plan is to trade him," Walsh said. "We have no plans to bring him back."

Golden State, Minnesota, Denver and both L.A. teams have all maintained strong interest since Artest was made available in mid-December. As outlined here last week, New Orleans/Oklahoma City is a below-the-radar option in the cap-savings category, because the Hornets can build an offer around fellow swingman Desmond Mason and his expiring contract in ($7.2 million) in a virtual salary match with Artest ($6.8 million).

I know that Walsh is doing his best to figure out what the best deal is.....but this man has no concept of time. A week for Walsh is about a month for all of us.

:mad: :3deadhors

Unclebuck
01-22-2006, 09:58 AM
A trade will get done before the trade deadline. I'm sure of it. Just relax