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Hicks
01-18-2006, 11:12 PM
Fortunately he had more sense than Artest as he only stared down some guy about 6+ rows up (running up there to do it), but no clue what that was about yet. Nothing stopped him from getting up there in a hurry.

Hicks
01-18-2006, 11:14 PM
They're saying AD's wife was up there. They want to move her to another area. My guess is a fan said something threatening to her and AD heard it. Or something else along those lines.

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:14 PM
I just saw that.

His wife was up there and I assume some fan was yelling at her.

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:15 PM
Isn't that an automatic 73 game suspension ?

Pig Nash
01-18-2006, 11:15 PM
Still, if Stern doesn't fine him at least; it will be a travesty.

Hicks
01-18-2006, 11:16 PM
Oh there will at least be a fine. He was ejected for doing it. He just walked out of the stands and right to the tunnel. No fighting or anything like that, but given the state of the NBA (post 11/19), I imagine he'll at least get a game.

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:17 PM
So it's only a suspension if you go up there and push someone, and then if you start to get pummeled by the fans and you defend yourself, you get suspended for 73 games. Ok I think I got it.

Kegboy
01-18-2006, 11:17 PM
Isn't that an automatic 73 game suspension ?

I don't believe it, you guys must be lying. Stern's beat down of Ron guaranteed that no player would ever go into the stands ever again.

:rollout:

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:20 PM
No one has any idea what AD was going to do when he got up there. AD wasn't even hit with a cup

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:23 PM
This is a wild, wild game

Jermaniac
01-18-2006, 11:23 PM
OMG WHAT A SHOT JCRAW

Jermaniac
01-18-2006, 11:25 PM
BEN GORDON STRIKES AGAIN

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:25 PM
He gave Gordon too much room, he didn't have time to drive

stipo
01-18-2006, 11:25 PM
Dear Lord, thank you for something else to post about.:pray:

Hicks
01-18-2006, 11:26 PM
OH MY! ARTEST JUST RAN OUT OF THE TUNNEL AND TACKLED LARRY BROWN!!

Yeah, OK, he didn't. God I'm bored/tired.

Unclebuck
01-18-2006, 11:28 PM
Nugs v Cavs is a good game also

Anthem
01-18-2006, 11:35 PM
Nugs v Cavs is a good game also
Yeah, this is your kind of game.

I haven't watched Andre Miller in a while, though. He's better than I remembered.

Chauncey
01-18-2006, 11:36 PM
So it's only a suspension if you go up there and push someone, and then if you start to get pummeled by the fans and you defend yourself, you get suspended for 73 games. Ok I think I got it.

You're an apologist to the end, I see.

Anthem
01-18-2006, 11:37 PM
What a great play by Miller and Boykins!

Jermaniac
01-18-2006, 11:37 PM
Hell yeah Munchkin hits the 3, Nuggs up 1 wit 33 left

Anthem
01-18-2006, 11:37 PM
You're an apologist to the end, I see.
Is that the real Chauncey? Cool.

Chauncey
01-18-2006, 11:42 PM
Is that the real Chauncey? Cool.

Muahahahaha :)

Jermaniac
01-18-2006, 11:47 PM
Why the hell did Lebron pass the ball there? Lebron scareeddddddd

MagicRat
01-18-2006, 11:52 PM
Yeah, this is your kind of game.
His kind of game? Denver? Is it on track to end up 71-60?............:shudder:

SoupIsGood
01-18-2006, 11:53 PM
Lebron ccccchoked

Frank Slade
01-18-2006, 11:55 PM
Lebron ccccchoked
fine with me.. Cleveland keep on losing.....

Jermaniac
01-18-2006, 11:57 PM
As bad as we are playing we are still #2 in the Central.

Frank Slade
01-18-2006, 11:58 PM
As bad as we are playing we are still #2 in the Central.
I know and like 1game or a game and half from having the second best record percentage wise..... after the Pistons it's wide open......

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 12:00 AM
I just saw it yikes :laugh:

PostArtestEra
01-19-2006, 12:00 AM
Antonio Davis better get 15 games plus. Does anybody else realize that we were just one drunk fan swing away from the brawl part 2. No doubt in my mind if someone were to hit Davis as he went to defend his wife he would have laid the dude out and bedlam would have ensued. You have to be consistent Stern.

Jermaniac
01-19-2006, 12:03 AM
This is totaly different, Tony shouldnt get more then 5 games. Ron's Wife and kids where not in the stands. And he didnt hit no body.

Will Galen
01-19-2006, 12:09 AM
This is totaly different, Tony shouldnt get more then 5 games. Ron's Wife and kids where not in the stands. And he didnt hit no body.

Neither did Ron until a fan hit him.

SoupIsGood
01-19-2006, 12:14 AM
Neither did Ron until a fan hit him.

He did grab him and push him to the ground didn't he?

PostArtestEra
01-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Lets put it this way, say this same situation played out in week 3 of this year with Ron in Antonio's position. There is no doubt in my mind that he would have been kicked out of the league for good. I know its not the same situation and they don't have the same background, but shouldn't the punishment fit the crime. I suspect he'll get a 3 game suspension, and I'll continue to hate David Stern.

Anthem
01-19-2006, 12:15 AM
Antonio Davis better get 15 games plus. Does anybody else realize that we were just one drunk fan swing away from the brawl part 2. No doubt in my mind if someone were to hit Davis as he went to defend his wife he would have laid the dude out and bedlam would have ensued. You have to be consistent Stern.
I thought the same thing. If the guy had even looked like he might touch Antonio, AD would have decked him.

Disagree that he should get 15 games, because there was no contact. But the lack of a brawl wasn't due to AD, because he went even farther into the stands than Ron.

No, this doesn't make what Ron did right. But it surely shows that he's not the only guy who would ever do such a thing.

Natston
01-19-2006, 12:24 AM
Knicks forward Antonio Davis climbed into the stands out of concern for his wife and was ejected without a scuffle Wednesday night during the Chicago Bulls' 106-104 overtime victory against New York.

Ben Gordon hit a game-winning jumper at the buzzer and scored 32 points for the Bulls, but Davis' dash over the scorer's table and into the stands during overtime -- bringing back memories of last season's brawl in Detroit -- became the flash point of an already wild game.

"I saw my wife being threatened," Davis said in a statement issued immediately after the game. "I felt I had to act. I did not have enough time to alert security."

Davis did not elaborate as to why he ascended about 10 rows of seats to join his wife in the stands. There was no physical confrontation, but several people were pointing and shouting for a few moments before security arrived and Davis was ejected.

A group of people in the area were later escorted away by United Center security.

Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis went into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back," but didn't elaborate.

Brown was coaching the Pistons in November 2004 when an ugly fight broke out in the stands between fans and Indiana Pacers players during a Detroit home game. A black eye for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson.

But Brown was adamant that this situation should be viewed differently.

"Come on, that's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.

"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260118004

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 12:29 AM
Anybody else notice the fact that this happened on the eve of 1/19... Kind of weird to think about... Dates combining 1's and 9's are beginning to have a bit of bad luck wouldn't you say? :arrgh:

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 12:32 AM
Knicks forward Antonio Davis climbed into the stands out of concern for his wife and was ejected without a scuffle Wednesday night during the Chicago Bulls' 106-104 overtime victory against New York.

Ben Gordon hit a game-winning jumper at the buzzer and scored 32 points for the Bulls, but Davis' dash over the scorer's table and into the stands during overtime -- bringing back memories of last season's brawl in Detroit -- became the flash point of an already wild game.

"I saw my wife being threatened," Davis said in a statement issued immediately after the game. "I felt I had to act. I did not have enough time to alert security."

Davis did not elaborate as to why he ascended about 10 rows of seats to join his wife in the stands. There was no physical confrontation, but several people were pointing and shouting for a few moments before security arrived and Davis was ejected.

A group of people in the area were later escorted away by United Center security.

Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis went into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back," but didn't elaborate.

Brown was coaching the Pistons in November 2004 when an ugly fight broke out in the stands between fans and Indiana Pacers players during a Detroit home game. A black eye for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson.

But Brown was adamant that this situation should be viewed differently.

"Come on, that's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.

"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=260118004


So the shoe is on the other foot... What do you think about it now Larry?

:rolleyes:

Natston
01-19-2006, 12:32 AM
Anybody else notice the fact that this happened on the eve of 1/19... Kind of weird to think about... Dates combining 1's and 9's are beginning to have a bit of bad luck wouldn't you say? :arrgh:

Plus Larry Brown was present at both incidents...

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 12:41 AM
Dispite the fact that I hate Ron Artest, for Stern's suspensions last year to have any credibility, the hammer's gotta come down hard.

I did a Google search and found this article from the NY Daily News about the brawl last year:


Stern called the riot "shocking, repulsive and inexcusable - a humiliation for everyone associated with the NBA." By saying that players "must not enter the stands whatever the provocation or poisonous behavior of people attending the games," Stern laid the groundwork for record fines and suspensions.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254956p-218302c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254956p-218302c.html)

If Davis goes into the stands because of fans behavior, which was the case dispite the fact it was his wife he was trying to protect, he should get 73 games. Not that I think he deserves the punishment, but because the standard has been set by Stern, which was his purpose behind the large suspension last season. Ron Artest didn't deserve 73 games. But if that's the price for going into the stands, then that's the price for going into the stands.

roleplayer
01-19-2006, 12:46 AM
He might get suspended, but I can't say I wouldn't have done the exact same thing in his situation.

Anthem
01-19-2006, 12:48 AM
He might get suspended, but I can't say I wouldn't have done the exact same thing in his situation.
Oh, I would have. Absolutely. But I'd have done it and dealt with the consequences.

I'm shocked the security angle isn't being hit harder. Where were those guys?

grace
01-19-2006, 12:48 AM
Plus Larry Brown was present at both incidents...

...along with Ron Garretson and Mike Breen.

And it anyone really cares what happened it looked to me like there was already a security person there with Kendra when Antonio got there. I wouldn't swear it was security, but a guy wearing the same suit escorted Antonio back down to the court.

I'm sure Antonio will get some kind of suspension, but if he didn't I wouldn't have a problem with it. He went into the stands to make sure his wife and son were all right. He didn't touch anybody. He didn't break the radio play by play guys back. He went back down to the court without argument.

SoupIsGood
01-19-2006, 12:49 AM
I say Stern gives him anywhere from 9-15 games.

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 12:51 AM
I say Stern gives him anywhere from 9-15 games.

Are you out of your mind? the guy tryed portecting his family.

Anthem
01-19-2006, 12:51 AM
I'm sure Antonio will get some kind of suspension, but if he didn't I wouldn't have a problem with it. He went into the stands to make sure his wife and son were all right. He didn't touch anybody. He didn't break the radio play by play guys back. He went back down to the court without argument.
All true. And I agree. I won't be upset if he doesn't get a significant punishment.

But I'll always believe that if a fan had hit him, he'd have hit back.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 12:51 AM
He might get suspended, but I can't say I wouldn't have done the exact same thing in his situation.

I would have done the same thing too, but if I had a bottle of beer thrown at me in the face and I knew exactly where it came from, I would have done what Artest did last season as well. As most have said numerous times, the 73 game suspension was excessive, but unfortunatly that was just Stern's way of setting the standard. I just saw the video on ESPN, and like PostArtestEra said, this thing was just one drunk punch away from becoming the brawl part 2.

SoupIsGood
01-19-2006, 12:53 AM
Are you out of your mind? the guy tryed portecting his family.

So what? Rules are rules. You break em, you pay.

DG-33
01-19-2006, 12:57 AM
There wont be a real lengthy suspension due to no violence going down, but still you can't run into the crowd, and he'll be suspended for 3-8 games IMO.

Hoop
01-19-2006, 12:57 AM
Dispite the fact that I hate Ron Artest, for Stern's suspensions last year to have any credibility, the hammer's gotta come down hard.

I did a Google search and found this article from the NY Daily News about the brawl last year:



http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254956p-218302c.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/254956p-218302c.html)

If Davis goes into the stands because of fans behavior, which was the case dispite the fact it was his wife he was trying to protect, he should get 73 games. Not that I think he deserves the punishment, but because the standard has been set by Stern, which was his purpose behind the large suspension last season. Ron Artest didn't deserve 73 games. But if that's the price for going into the stands, then that's the price for going into the stands.I agree, our guys didn't deserve the length of suspensions they got. AD should get similar treatment even though he doesn't deserve it either. Stern will look like more of a prick, if that's even possible, if he's not consistent.

larry
01-19-2006, 01:03 AM
uncle buck is making very valid points. i wish u could say that s.@t on espn.

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 01:04 AM
So what? Rules are rules. You break em, you pay.

What a delightful statement so i guess if you were in Davis's shoes you were just gonna stand around while your wife is being threatin by another stranger? your real smart arent ya? oh and btw there was no security at the time so who was the blame?

roleplayer
01-19-2006, 01:04 AM
I would have done the same thing too, but if I had a bottle of beer thrown at me in the face and I knew exactly where it came from, I would have done what Artest did last season as well. As most have said numerous times, the 73 game suspension was excessive, but unfortunatly that was just Stern's way of setting the standard. I just saw the video on ESPN, and like PostArtestEra said, this thing was just one drunk punch away from becoming the brawl part 2.
Yeah, but the difference is, if Artest didn't respond, that's that, everything is over. It's a situation between two people. If AD doesn't do something, and somebody he cared about got hurt because of it, he would surely regret not going up there.

SoupIsGood
01-19-2006, 01:12 AM
What a delightful statement so i guess if you were in Davis's shoes you were just gonna stand around while your wife is being threatin by another stranger? your real smart arent ya? oh and btw there was no security at the time so who was the blame?

If I thought that my wife was in danger, I would probably head up there after her, and afterwards I would prepare for my forthcoming suspension....

larry
01-19-2006, 01:14 AM
i say he should get the whole season. there should be a rule u hit the stands ur out the WHOLE year. no ?s asked. similar 2 leaving the bench rule

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 01:15 AM
If I thought that my wife was in danger, I would probably head up there after her, and afterwards I would prepare for my forthcoming suspension....

Okay so if the League suspended you ohhh let's say 15-20 games who's gonna look like a fool for portecting his wife? obviously you had a good reason to go up there it's called " Self-defense "...... and obviously and most importantly when there is no security at the time you have a right to see what happened... if Stern suspends him i will forever hate his guts.

larry
01-19-2006, 01:17 AM
no exceptions PERIOD!

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 01:18 AM
Yeah, but the difference is, if Artest didn't respond, that's that, everything is over. It's a situation between two people. If AD doesn't do something, and somebody he cared about got hurt because of it, he would surely regret not going up there.

I agree that he would regret not going in the stands if his wife got hurt, as would I. I would go want to protect my wife as well.

BUT...

Stern set the standard. Players are not allowed to enter the stands.

I only question the difference in suspensions had the Artest situation been a minor push and then it was over. Or if the whole Ben v. Ron fight wouldn't have taken place before hand.

Stern gave Wallace a minor suspension for starting the fight. He gave Artest 73 for going into the stands, pushing someone who almost certainly threw a bottle at his face, and defending himself from drunken fans.

My guess would be, if Artest doesn't go into the stands, he doesn't get suspended at all.

But he did, and although the consequences resulting from that initial action of going into the stands were not Artest's fault, Stern punished him like they were.

So if Antonio Davis were to have been hit by a fan, and began to defend himself, let alone his wife, and this turned into an all-out brawl, should he still get 1-5 games suspension?

Stern set the standard. For credibility's sake, he'd better stick to it.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 01:20 AM
Okay so if the League suspended you ohhh let's say 15-20 games who's gonna look like a fool for portecting his wife? obviously you had a good reason to go up there it's called " Self-defense "...... and obviously and most importantly when there is no security at the time you have a right to see what happened... if Stern suspends him i will forever hate his guts.

Isn't that EXACTLY what Artest did last season? :rolleyes:

SoupIsGood
01-19-2006, 01:20 AM
Okay so if the League suspended you ohhh let's say 15-20 games who's gonna look like a fool for portecting his wife? obviously you had a good reason to go up there it's called " Self-defense "...... and obviously and most importantly when there is no security at the time you have a right to see what happened... if Stern suspends him i will forever hate his guts.

Any NBA player that thinks he can go into the stands and NOT get a suspension after what happened last year simply doesn't have a brain.

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 01:23 AM
Isn't that EXACTLY what Artest did last season?

No one threat Artest's wife some drunken moron just throwed a beer cup on him which caused " Self-control " the league had the right to suspend him because he didn't back down Davis obviously wen't up there to see what happened nothing happened in the stands you guys have to stop actting like Davis did something bad if I found out my wife was being threatin by a stranger i'd grab his neck and break it.

CableKC
01-19-2006, 01:27 AM
^^^yeah no kidding. If I was in the same situation ( and as big as AD ), I would have done the same. This situation is different then the whole Artest thing. Should he get suspended or fined? Yes....cuz thems the rules. Suspend me, fine me.....I wouldn't care....I'm going to take care of my family.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 01:33 AM
No one threat Artest's wife some drunken moron just throwed a beer cup on him which caused " Self-control " the league had the right to suspend him because he didn't back down Davis obviously wen't up there to see what happened nothing happened in the stands you guys have to stop actting like Davis did something bad if I found out my wife was being threatin by a stranger i'd grab his neck and break it.

Self defense (what Artest did last season) is a lot different than protecting your wife. That's the concern of security, who once again proved that they're unqualified for their duties. Of course, like I said, I would have done the same thing.

It's not about what Antonio did, as I agree there was nothing wrong with it... except for the fact that he broke the rules.

GetOdom
01-19-2006, 01:49 AM
Artest did not try portecting himself, he was trying to make things worse when it already was. nothing happened when Davis wen't up there he did not push anyone all he did was go up there and see what happened... the NBA will probably suspend him but it should be no more then 2-3 games the guy did the right thing David Stern needs to be smart here and realize why Davis wen't up there for once I wanna see Stern care about players and there personal life then his ownself.

Dr. Goldfoot
01-19-2006, 01:51 AM
if I found out my wife was being threatin by a stranger i'd grab his neck and break it.

I'd do the same thing. By the way, if someone threw a beer in my face I'd say "touche" and walk away. Later, I would sneak up from behind and stab them in the ankle with a freshly sharpened pencil.

Dr. Goldfoot
01-19-2006, 01:57 AM
Not really, I'd probably throw a punch in both situations.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 01:59 AM
Artest did not try portecting himself, he was trying to make things worse when it already was. nothing happened when Davis wen't up there he did not push anyone all he did was go up there and see what happened... the NBA will probably suspend him but it should be no more then 2-3 games the guy did the right thing David Stern needs to be smart here and realize why Davis wen't up there for once I wanna see Stern care about players and there personal life then his ownself.




Point is, Stern could have suspended Artest 15 games last season and let that be the end of it. He started a fight. Albeit in the stands, he started a fight, as the majority of players in the NBA has. Instead of suspending Artest 15 games, he set the precident and suspended him for 73, saying a player "must not enter the stands whatever the provocation or poisonous behavior of people attending the games," which was Davis's reason for going into the stands, to protect his wife from the behavior of the fans.

If Stern wants to use Artest to set an example, he should either follow it, or give a ring to Reggie and hang a '04-'05 Championship banner in Conseco Fieldhouse.

Bball
01-19-2006, 02:04 AM
The suspension AD gets from the NBA would be nothing compared to the 'suspension' Mrs AD would put on him if he didn't come to her aid..


-BBall

Anthem
01-19-2006, 02:09 AM
The suspension AD gets from the NBA would be nothing compared to the 'suspension' Mrs AD would put on him if he didn't come to her aid..
True. He's allowed to get a second job to remedy the first situation, but the second... :D

cariocapacer
01-19-2006, 02:10 AM
Was Ad in the game? I know it is hos wife, but shouldn't he have been paying more attention to the game and less to what's going on in the stands. He isn't Doug Christie after all.

Bball
01-19-2006, 02:15 AM
Was Ad in the game? I know it is hos wife, but shouldn't he have been paying more attention to the game and less to what's going on in the stands. He isn't Doug Christie after all.

Yes, he is...

-Bball

sixthman
01-19-2006, 04:16 AM
I have wanted the Pacers to add AD to the roster all year. When I said he was a perfect fit, I had in mind something other than what happened tonight. :(

Stryder
01-19-2006, 06:42 AM
I say he will be suspended 1 to 2 games and a small fine, only because he went into the stands. No violence ensued, and he left without making himself look like an a$$hole, i.e. Artest.

DisplacedKnick
01-19-2006, 07:16 AM
He'll get between 5 and 10 games. I'm sure of it. I'd be shocked if it was less than 5 or more than 10.

Apparently what happened is a drunk fan was sitting behind AD's wife. She was standing, watching the game. He was yelling at her, telling her to sit down, then grabbed her and shoved her down into her seat.

It was during a TO and she was sitting pretty close to the floor - I'm not surprised AD saw the commotion and went up there.

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 07:38 AM
Antonio Davis better get 15 games plus. Does anybody else realize that we were just one drunk fan swing away from the brawl part 2. No doubt in my mind if someone were to hit Davis as he went to defend his wife he would have laid the dude out and bedlam would have ensued. You have to be consistent Stern.



That is 100% correct. Although he won't get 15 games, but the part about how close it was to brawl #2

bread
01-19-2006, 07:49 AM
Great. Now we get to watch even more replays of last year's brawl and remind all of the GM's out there about Ron's ability to internally combust. His trade value may have just dropped a little more. :mad:

indygeezer
01-19-2006, 07:53 AM
I expect 10 games for entering the stands. Light sentence since no punches were thrown. Once again nothing will be openly said to security or the arena owners/operators.

Stern will do exactly what he wants becasue he always wins the vote 1-0.

I wonder what Mike and Mike's take on this is? I better go turn on the radio.

RWB
01-19-2006, 07:54 AM
That's the concern of security, who once again proved that they're unqualified for their duties.

Must have missed that problem this time. Are you saying someone should have stepped in front of Tony and prevented him from going into the stands or should there be a security guard assigned just for Mrs. ADs protection?

Stryder
01-19-2006, 08:15 AM
I expect 10 games for entering the stands. Light sentence since no punches were thrown. Once again nothing will be openly said to security or the arena owners/operators.

Stern will do exactly what he wants becasue he always wins the vote 1-0.

I wonder what Mike and Mike's take on this is? I better go turn on the radio.

I believe Golic and the Metro said something to the effect of he doesn't deserve to be suspended, but they wouldn't be surprised if he was suspended for a few games and fined.

Fool
01-19-2006, 09:19 AM
Antonio Davis better get 15 games plus. Does anybody else realize that we were just one drunk fan swing away from the brawl part 2. No doubt in my mind if someone were to hit Davis as he went to defend his wife he would have laid the dude out and bedlam would have ensued. You have to be consistent Stern.

One drunk fan, or one insane teammate sidekick. I agree that Davis should get suspended and to a higher degree then what would seem justified by what happened. 15 games would seem fine by me (btw, those spiteful ones here calling for 73 games have failed to realise that would mean suspending him part of next season as well).

I'm fine with the "Stern has set a standard" but the standard isn't a mandatory minimum of 73 games or the rest of the season. Each situation should be considered on its own merit. Also, IIRC Stern said that he took Artest's prior history into consideration. From all I've heard, Davis is a pretty clean cut guy and he's going in for a completely different reason than Artest. It deserves it own consideration and not some kind of grudge-filled decree that he should be punished for Artest's sins.

Will Galen
01-19-2006, 09:46 AM
He did grab him and push him to the ground didn't he?

I remember it as Ron grabbing the guy and the guy pulling back. Artest didn't push him to the ground.

Will Galen
01-19-2006, 09:52 AM
Davis is president of the Player's Union, so this will be interesting.

RWB
01-19-2006, 09:59 AM
Davis is president of the Player's Union, so this will be interesting.

I wonder if the Union has second thoughts now on how they handled last year when they bascially rolled over and played dead?

Fool
01-19-2006, 10:19 AM
I remember it as Ron grabbing the guy and the guy pulling back. Artest didn't push him to the ground.

I would suggest watching it again then, as you are remembering it wrong.

http://www.floppytaco.com/video_clips/pistons-pacers-nba-fight.php

Will Galen
01-19-2006, 10:25 AM
Stern has a way out of this. He could suspend Davis for the rest of the season, The Union would protest and since the new contract the case would be sent to an arbitrator who would then lower the suspension.

Why Stern was wrong last year is he thought a season suspension to a player would deter players from going into the stands again. That view was and is just stupid reasoning, because you can't legislate peoples responses. He made an example out of Ron Artest to make a point that doesn't work.

Does Davis deserve a season long suspension? No, and neither did Ron.

What will Stern do? Who knows, he might try to stay out of it.

naptownmenace
01-19-2006, 10:26 AM
If Davis goes into the stands because of fans behavior, which was the case dispite the fact it was his wife he was trying to protect, he should get 73 games. Not that I think he deserves the punishment, but because the standard has been set by Stern, which was his purpose behind the large suspension last season. Ron Artest didn't deserve 73 games. But if that's the price for going into the stands, then that's the price for going into the stands.

Actually Stern could give suspend him 35 games like he did Jack. It's not like Ron was the only one that went into the stands and hit a fan. He also wasn't the only suspended for that action.

People jump on the fact that Ron was suspended for the rest of the season but forget that others went into the stands and weren't suspended at all (Freddie and David Harrison). It all depends on your motivation.

That said, Tony will get about 10 games for this and I think that anything more or less would be wrong.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 10:46 AM
Must have missed that problem this time. Are you saying someone should have stepped in front of Tony and prevented him from going into the stands or should there be a security guard assigned just for Mrs. ADs protection?

Both. The fans would have been unprotected had Davis felt the urge to throw punches. Davis would have been unprotected had fans felt the urge to throw punches. His wife was unprotected, otherwise Davis would not have had the urge to go into the stands to begin with.



One drunk fan, or one insane teammate sidekick. I agree that Davis should get suspended and to a higher degree then what would seem justified by what happened. 15 games would seem fine by me (btw, those spiteful ones here calling for 73 games have failed to realise that would mean suspending him part of next season as well).

I do realize this, however, it is beside the point. Davis does not deserve 73 games, and neither did Ron.


I'm fine with the "Stern has set a standard" but the standard isn't a mandatory minimum of 73 games or the rest of the season. Each situation should be considered on its own merit. Also, IIRC Stern said that he took Artest's prior history into consideration. From all I've heard, Davis is a pretty clean cut guy and he's going in for a completely different reason than Artest. It deserves it own consideration and not some kind of grudge-filled decree that he should be punished for Artest's sins.

In case you forgot, the official Stern transcript:

Q: How much did Artestís history factor into your decision and is he going to have to do anything to prove to you he can handle being a NBA player?

David Stern: I would say that to the extent that it was my decision, I did not strike from my mind the fact that Ron Artest has been suspended on previous occasions for the loss of self-control.


It's just my belief that if Stern wanted to set the standard, in which he did last season, he should stick to it. I'm not going to be pissed at Davis's suspension if he gets 1 game, I'll simply be pissed at Stern, once again, for the unjustified 73 game suspension of Ron last season. Had a fight broken out while Davis was in the stands, whether he had any control over it or not, there's no doubt in my mind he'd be looking at 45+.

Jermaniac
01-19-2006, 11:07 AM
I remember it as Ron grabbing the guy and the guy pulling back. Artest didn't push him to the ground.lmao, That nerdy fool grabbing and pulling a 270 pound Ron Artest. Did you see the kid? He didnt look like he weighed more then 140.

Fact Antonio saw his wife in trouble, he went to her aid. He didnt put his hands on anyone. Ron went in the crowd to fight and he put his hands on the guy as soon as he got in the crowd. Antonio didnt even touch anyone.

Chauncey
01-19-2006, 11:24 AM
Actually Stern could give suspend him 35 games like he did Jack. It's not like Ron was the only one that went into the stands and hit a fan. He also wasn't the only suspended for that action.

People jump on the fact that Ron was suspended for the rest of the season but forget that others went into the stands and weren't suspended at all (Freddie and David Harrison). It all depends on your motivation.

That said, Tony will get about 10 games for this and I think that anything more or less would be wrong.

Now, now, naptown..don't try and confuse the fanboys with logic.

sc
01-19-2006, 12:12 PM
No one threat Artest's wife some drunken moron just throwed a beer cup on him which caused " Self-control " the league had the right to suspend him because he didn't back down Davis obviously wen't up there to see what happened nothing happened in the stands you guys have to stop actting like Davis did something bad if I found out my wife was being threatin by a stranger i'd grab his neck and break it.

And you would be punished to the full extent of the law becuase niether live was in danger and you took the matter into your own hands.

Neither this or Artest were acts of self defense.

PacerMan
01-19-2006, 12:17 PM
So it's only a suspension if you go up there and push someone, and then if you start to get pummeled by the fans and you defend yourself, you get suspended for 73 games. Ok I think I got it.


Pummeled??
WHere/when was this??
Oh,you're calling a paper cup pummeling???????????

grace
01-19-2006, 12:25 PM
no exceptions PERIOD!

I seem to recall Fred Jones went into the stands. How many games did he get?

Fool
01-19-2006, 12:31 PM
Grace, whats you view of the "its a husbands responsibility to go help his wife and not just send some pencil-neck rent-a-cop to assist in the situation" issue.

Los Angeles
01-19-2006, 12:50 PM
Pummeled??
WHere/when was this??
Oh,you're calling a paper cup pummeling???????????
I think he means that Ron pummeled the kid in glasses.

Which he did.

Doh! Why am I even discussing this?

:banghead:

Since86
01-19-2006, 12:55 PM
I think he means that Ron pummeled the kid in glasses.

Which he did.

Doh! Why am I even discussing this?

:banghead:


I think that he meant Ron was pummeled from behind when he was trying to leave the stands, which he did.

He addressed your theory when UB said "up there and push someone."

sweabs
01-19-2006, 12:57 PM
I am not sure if it has already been said, as I have not read this thread in its entirety; however, I think it's important to recognize one common denominator which was prevalent in each situation (Artest & Davis)............

Alcohol.

When are they finally going to realize?

obnoxiousmodesty
01-19-2006, 01:00 PM
I am not sure if it has already been said, as I have not read this thread in its entirety; however, I think it's important to recognize one common denominator which was prevalent in each situation (Artest & Davis)............

Alcohol.

When are they finally going to realize?

I've thought about that as well. What can be done about it? Should anything be done about it? And why can't people be responsible enough to know their limit?

grace
01-19-2006, 01:12 PM
Grace, whats you view of the "its a husbands responsibility to go help his wife and not just send some pencil-neck rent-a-cop to assist in the situation" issue.

Let's say Antonio's mother was in the stands and was having a heart attack. Should Antonio have just stood in the team huddle and not gone to check on her? When Wayne Gretsky's wife got knocked out by a puck should he have stayed on the bench and not gone to her side? If someone in your family is being threatened I say screw your job. Family is more important.

I'd like to know what everyone's opinion would be about this if 11/19/05 had never happened.

grace
01-19-2006, 01:15 PM
I've thought about that as well. What can be done about it? Should anything be done about it? And why can't people be responsible enough to know their limit?

IMO booze shouldn't be sold after half time. I'm pretty sure Reggie is on record as saying it shouldn't be sold after the first quarter.

Is it a league rule that liquor sales stop at the start of the 4th quarter or is just a Pacer thing?

BillS
01-19-2006, 01:19 PM
I've thought about that as well. What can be done about it? Should anything be done about it? And why can't people be responsible enough to know their limit?

Because the vast majority of people <i>are</i> responsible enough to know their limit. It's the occasional individual that gets noticed and drives the extreme no tolerance reaction.

As is typical in our society, the solution will probably be to just make unavailable anything that could be abused because some idiot might do so. Far easier to punish everyone than to have to figure out how to single out the idiots.

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 02:28 PM
Pummeled??
WHere/when was this??
Oh,you're calling a paper cup pummeling???????????


re-read what I posted, I said pummeled after you get into the stands.

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 02:33 PM
If someone in your family is being threatened I say screw your job. Family is more important.




Ok, then NBA players are going to be going up into the stands about every other game then. Family memebers get harassed, abused all the time to varying degrees

Moses
01-19-2006, 02:49 PM
I don't blame him for doing it, But he shouldn't have done it.

It will be an absolute travesty if he doesn't get 5 games suspended or at least a fine. It's not the fact of why he did it, it's because of the fact he did it and if he had been hit by a fan then what? I'm sure this is going to spook some people about court-side seats as well. He could have fallen on someone on the way up on top of that. Not near as bad as our brawl but he at least deserves a fine/small suspension just so other players know to notify security.

Fool
01-19-2006, 04:24 PM
Fan to sue Davis, wife for more than $1 million

The Associated Press
Published January 19, 2006, 2:57 PM CST

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/cs-060119bullsfansue,1,3488353.story?coll=chi-sportsnew-hed

As New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis awaited word Thursday on whether he will be suspended for climbing into the stands to confront a man during a game in Chicago, that fan said he did nothing wrong and was attacked by Davis' wife.

The altercation came in overtime Wednesday night of the Bulls' 106-104 victory. Davis said he thought his wife was in danger and later released a statement saying the fan was drunk.

"It's a lie," 22-year-old Michael Axelrod said in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

Unlike last season's melee when Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons and fans were involved in perhaps the worst brawl in U.S. sports history, order was quickly restored. No punches were thrown, there were no arrests and Davis was ejected.

The Knicks were home Thursday night against Detroit. An NBA spokesman said decisions on penalties are usually made before a team plays its next game.

Davis, president of the NBA players' association, jumped over the scorer's table to get in the stands at the United Center.

"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," he said in a statement after the game. "I saw him touch her, and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."

But Axelrod said Kendra Davis tried to scratch him after he protested a call. Axelrod said he never laid a hand on Davis' wife and said he was not drunk.

Axelrod's father, David, is a prominent Democratic political consultant in Chicago who has worked with Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley.

"When I go to games, I cheer as hard as I can for the Bulls, and I boo as hard as I can for whoever they're playing," Michael Axelrod said. "I don't feel comfortable if players are allowed to easily jump into the crowd whenever they feel like it's necessary."

Axelrod's attorney, Jay Paul Deratany, said he planned to sue Davis and his wife for more than $1 million. Deratany said he was writing the papers Thursday for a battery suit against Kendra Davis and a slander case against Antonio Davis, and planned to file them Friday.

According to Axelrod, he was sitting in the seventh row and booed an official's call. Kendra Davis "came out of her seat. I didn't even pay attention to her. I thought she was just going to the bathroom or something," he said.

Axelrod, who was sitting a couple of rows behind her, said she yelled at him to be quiet. Axelrod said he did not know she was Davis' wife until the player ran into the stands.

Axelrod said Kendra Davis put both hands on his face, and that he motioned for security. He said she later went after another fan. "I was glad she was done hitting me, but I didn't want her to hit anyone else," Axelrod said.

Antonio Davis appeared calm throughout and walked away willingly when security arrived. He returned to the bench and took his seat before being ejected. The game resumed after about a five-minute delay.

Axelrod was escorted to the concourse by security, but said he was allowed back into the arena and saw Ben Gordon's winning shot at the buzzer.

"His wife and kids were up there," Knicks guard Jamal Crawford said. "If you see your family in harm's way, you're going to go protect them. You're the man of the house, and at that point you're thinking like a regular human instead of an athlete."

United Center security remained in the stands for a few more minutes, and other fans appeared to be explaining what they had seen. Guards in suits and yellow jackets then escorted a group of people from the area.

Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis went into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back."

Brown was coaching the Pistons in November 2004 when that ugly fight broke out in the stands between fans and Pacers during a Detroit home game. An embarrassment for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson.

But Brown was adamant that this situation should be viewed differently.

"Come on, that's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.

"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."

Hicks
01-19-2006, 04:28 PM
Between others suggesting AD's wife has a bad reputation, and what this guy is saying, I tend to believe him for now.

ChicagoJ
01-19-2006, 04:32 PM
Kendra, from what I've always heard, is a real piece of work.

This guy's story is somewhat reasonable, for what its worth.

jrm7one
01-19-2006, 04:47 PM
Let's say Antonio's mother was in the stands and was having a heart attack. Should Antonio have just stood in the team huddle and not gone to check on her? When Wayne Gretsky's wife got knocked out by a puck should he have stayed on the bench and not gone to her side? If someone in your family is being threatened I say screw your job. Family is more important.

I'd like to know what everyone's opinion would be about this if 11/19/05 had never happened.

From what Stern laid out with Artest's suspension last season, if a player goes into the stands as a reaction to the actions of the fans, (players "must not enter the stands whatever the provocation or poisonous behavior of people attending the games" - Stern last season) then that player is wrong and should be suspended. If his wife was not being abused by the fans and instead was having a heart attack, there would absolutely be no fine nor suspension.

Slick Pinkham
01-19-2006, 04:57 PM
This guy's story is somewhat reasonable, for what its worth.

Sounds reasonable to me, other than the interpretation that a woman "trying to scratch me" is guilty of "assault" and owes me a cool million.

I do see the slander angle against AD. But... legally it's not slander unless AD knew that the guy wasn't drunk and said so anyway. He most likely repeated what security told him. Restating misinformation without realizing it is incorrect is not slander.

This guy's trying to make a buck and makes me pretty sick.

PacerMan
01-19-2006, 04:58 PM
I think he means that Ron pummeled the kid in glasses.

Which he did.

Doh! Why am I even discussing this?

:banghead:

He claims RON was pummeled!? Must be that mysterious 'Zebruder' film I've not seen :)

PacerMan
01-19-2006, 04:59 PM
I've thought about that as well. What can be done about it? Should anything be done about it? And why can't people be responsible enough to know their limit?


LOL $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $$$$$$$$$$$$$

Nothing ca.... WILL be done about it.

indyblue47
01-19-2006, 05:06 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/nba/01/19/davis.sued.ap/index.html

This just repported by SI.

Point of contention
Fan disputes Davis' story, may sue player and wife

CHICAGO (AP) -- As New York Knicks forward Antonio Davis awaited word Thursday on whether he will be suspended for climbing into the stands to confront a man during a game in Chicago, that fan said he did nothing wrong and was attacked by Davis' wife.
The altercation came in overtime Wednesday night of the Bulls' 106-104 victory. Davis said he thought his wife was in danger and later released a statement saying the fan was drunk.
"It's a lie," 22-year-old Michael Axelrod said in a phone interview with The Associated Press.
Unlike last season's melee when Indiana Pacers, Detroit Pistons and fans were involved in perhaps the worst brawl in U.S. sports history, order was quickly restored. No punches were thrown, there were no arrests and Davis was ejected.
The Knicks were home Thursday night against Detroit. An NBA spokesman said decisions on penalties are usually made before a team plays its next game.
Davis, president of the NBA players' association, jumped over the scorer's table to get in the stands at the United Center.
"I witnessed my wife being threatened by a man that I learned later to be intoxicated," he said in a statement after the game. "I saw him touch her, and I know I should not have acted the way I did, but I would have felt terrible if I didn't react. There was no time to call security. It happened too quickly."
But Axelrod said Kendra Davis tried to scratch him after he protested a call. Axelrod said he never laid a hand on Davis' wife and said he was not drunk.
Axelrod's father, David, is a prominent Democratic political consultant in Chicago who has worked with Senators Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley.
"When I go to games, I cheer as hard as I can for the Bulls, and I boo as hard as I can for whoever they're playing," Michael Axelrod said. "I don't feel comfortable if players are allowed to easily jump into the crowd whenever they feel like it's necessary."
Axelrod's attorney, Jay Paul Deratany, said he planned to sue Davis and his wife for more than $1 million. Deratany said he was writing the papers Thursday for a battery suit against Kendra Davis and a slander case against Antonio Davis, and planned to file them Friday.
According to Axelrod, he was sitting in the seventh row and booed an official's call. Kendra Davis "came out of her seat. I didn't even pay attention to her. I thought she was just going to the bathroom or something," he said.
Axelrod, who was sitting a couple of rows behind her, said she yelled at him to be quiet. Axelrod said he did not know she was Davis' wife until the player ran into the stands.
Axelrod said Kendra Davis put both hands on his face, and that he motioned for security. He said she later went after another fan.
"I was glad she was done hitting me, but I didn't want her to hit anyone else," Axelrod said.
Antonio Davis appeared calm throughout and walked away willingly when security arrived. He returned to the bench and took his seat before being ejected. The game resumed after about a five-minute delay.
Axelrod was escorted to the concourse by security, but said he was allowed back into the arena and saw Ben Gordon's winning shot at the buzzer.
"His wife and kids were up there," Knicks guard Jamal Crawford said. "If you see your family in harm's way, you're going to go protect them. You're the man of the house, and at that point you're thinking like a regular human instead of an athlete."
United Center security remained in the stands for a few more minutes, and other fans appeared to be explaining what they had seen. Guards in suits and yellow jackets then escorted a group of people from the area.
Knicks coach Larry Brown said Davis went into the stands because he saw his wife "falling back."
Brown was coaching the Pistons in November 2004 when that ugly fight broke out in the stands between fans and Pacers during a Detroit home game. An embarrassment for the NBA, the brawl led to criminal charges and lengthy suspensions for Ron Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Stephen Jackson.
But Brown was adamant that this situation should be viewed differently.
"Come on, that's his wife," Brown said. "That's entirely different. I was worried about Kendra. That's why he went in the stands, he saw her falling back.
"That thing that happened in the stands had nothing to do with the two teams. That's a man concerned about his family."
Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.

ChicagoJ
01-19-2006, 05:17 PM
Sounds reasonable to me, other than the interpretation that a woman "trying to scratch me" is guilty of "assault" and owes me a cool million.

I do see the slander angle against AD. But... legally it's not slander unless AD knew that the guy wasn't drunk and said so anyway. He most likely repeated what security told him. Restating misinformation without realizing it is incorrect is not slander.

This guy's trying to make a buck and makes me pretty sick.

Yeah, I can't come up with any grounds that I know of to sue. Other than, of course, this is America and I can sue anybody for anything! :woot2:

OnlyPacersLeft
01-19-2006, 05:20 PM
If you want to trash Detroit and its people, you will need to find another forum.

- Hicks

Roaming Gnome
01-19-2006, 05:22 PM
Knowing Kendra's reputation.... I believe this guy all the way! Heck, Antonio probably went into the stands to shut her up before she caused anymore trouble!!!!

Antonio will get about 5 games for this....

Kstat
01-19-2006, 05:23 PM
Davis got suspended 5 games, per local Detroit radio.

Tim
01-19-2006, 07:32 PM
Okay guys, what is Kendra's reputation? Give examples please.

Doug Kristie's wife has a rep but there have been eye witness accounts of her controlling nature, especially concerning other women.

Jamaal is suppose to have a rep too but when you really try to nail it down it really sounds like people just don't like him.

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 09:02 PM
Pacers.

The Redskins just added a rule last year, no sale of alcohol after the third quarter. The problem with that is pre-game tailgaters.


They just added that last year? It has always been that way at Colts and Pacers games

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 09:05 PM
Okay guys, what is Kendra's reputation? Give examples please.

Doug Kristie's wife has a rep but there have been eye witness accounts of her controlling nature, especially concerning other women.

Jamaal is suppose to have a rep too but when you really try to nail it down it really sounds like people just don't like him.



She called in the afternoon radio show and was furious because a caller criticized her husband. She was a little unhinged. She isn't as bad as Doug Kristie's wife but she is in the same ballpark.

Tim
01-19-2006, 10:46 PM
She called in the afternoon radio show and was furious because a caller criticized her husband. She was a little unhinged. She isn't as bad as Doug Kristie's wife but she is in the same ballpark.

Okay so she is supportive of her husband, and it sounds like she wasn't taking crap from that fan that lead to the incident. Is that it?

The reason why I ask is because I have heard nothing but good things about the Davis' when they took Al into their home. Kendra sounded like Al's second mother at times and we all loved it.

I never read a negative thing back then, did it all change so fast and so quietly?

I understand that some of you know things that you can't share in public, feel free to PM or Email me.

Unclebuck
01-19-2006, 11:04 PM
Okay so she is supportive of her husband, and it sounds like she wasn't taking crap from that fan that lead to the incident. Is that it?

The reason why I ask is because I have heard nothing but good things about the Davis' when they took Al into their home. Kendra sounded like Al's second mother at times and we all loved it.

I never read a negative thing back then, did it all change so fast and so quietly?

I understand that some of you know things that you can't share in public, feel free to PM or Email me.


I don't think anyone is saying that Kendra is not a good person and very generous and so forth. But she is very outspoken and very strong willed. Not that there is anything wrong with that. But she isn't good at just letting criticism roll off her back.

I forget if it was DA or someone on TNT that it might be that AD did not necessarily go into the stands to protect his wife from getting hurt, but rather protect her from doing something she shouldn't.

DG-33
01-19-2006, 11:10 PM
Shes probably a good person, but from what I've heard. she's annoying and a bit of a wannabe "diva".