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Kstat
01-13-2006, 06:23 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2290907

LeBron James: His Olympic experience in 2004 was not a good one, and his behavior and attitude were bigger problems than the public realized. In the end, however, it will go down as a good learning experience for James, who has told Colangelo he's on board.

I'll post the rest of the article here:

eam USA will be stocked, that's for sure. Whether it blends into a cohesive unit that can restore American basketball dominance is a question that remains to be answered.

National team czar Jerry Colangelo told ESPN.com he has been "stunned' by the level of interest he has received in more than two dozen face-to-face interviews with players he wants to put on the national team roster.


Allen Iverson is passionate about another shot at the gold.

With another six or seven meetings still to take place, Colangelo said he has received 18 solid commitments. In addition, agents for seven other players have called Colangelo to say their clients are eager to sacrifice their next three summers to take part in what Colangelo describes as his "mission" -- the effort to build a national team capable of winning gold medals at the 2006 World Championship in Japan and the 2008 Beijing Olympics in China.

Colangelo plans to announce a core group of players, as few as four and as many as eight, sometime around the All-Star break. Formal invitations eventually will be extended to 20 to attend training camp in Las Vegas in mid-July. The World Championship will run from Aug. 19 to Sept. 3, with the U.S. team playing its opening-round games in the northern city of Sapporo, with the opponents to be determined by draw on Sunday.

The United States is coming off disappointing finishes in the last two major international tournaments, a bronze medal showing at the Athens Olympics and a sixth-place failure at the 2002 World Championship in Indianapolis.

In Colangelo's meetings thus far with 25 players, some have expressed surprise that they might actually have to go through what would amount to a tryout. Colangelo has told players he's not forcing anyone to do anything, but anyone who believes it would be beneath him to fight for a roster spot won't be welcome. Colangelo is also laying down a few laws, such as banning families and entourages during the opening round of the World Championship and pretournament trips to China and South Korea.

"I think the response I've had has been stunning, and I think it's a compliment to our NBA players' buying into the philosophy of playing for their country," Colangelo said. "Pride is a factor, because they're not happy with where USA Basketball is at the moment, and they want to change that."

Colangelo would not divulge which players have given him their word, although public comments and Insider insight have combined to produce a reading on where more than 50 of the top American players stand:

Ray Allen: The best pure shooter holding a U.S. passport is one of the last players Colangelo will meet with. Played for U.S. in 2000 and 2003, withdrew from 2004 team due to security concerns. Might have a hard time coexisting peacefully with Kobe Bryant.

Carmelo Anthony: Colangelo said everyone starts with a clean slate, and he did not hold Anthony's complaints about playing time in Athens against him. The three-year commitment is giving Anthony pause, but he was one of the first players Colangelo sought out.

Gilbert Arenas: On board and eager judging by his public comments, the NBA's fourth-leading scorer is a strong favorite to be on the team heading to Japan.

Shane Battier: Wants to play, and it can't hurt that he spent four years at Duke under new U.S. coach Mike Krzyzewski.

Mike Bibby: Strangely, there seems to be no interest in the player Larry Brown wanted to beg back onto the Athens team when it was stumbling through its pre-Olympic tour.

Chauncey Billups: Met with Colangelo on Tuesday in Oklahoma City, as did teammates Richard Hamilton, Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince. Coach Flip Saunders has lobbied for Billups, saying his combination of strength and shooting would be perfect for the international game.

Bruce Bowen: On the bubble. The last two roster spots likely will be filled with role players, and the player who guards Manu Ginobili in practice every day is an intriguing candidate.

Carlos Boozer: Out all season with an injured hamstring, it's clear that this member of the Athens team won't be wearing red, white and blue this summer.

Chris Bosh: With the ability to play inside and outside on both offense and defense, Bosh is seen as a perfect fit for the U.S. team. Count on seeing him in Japan.

Elton Brand: Another player who withdrew from the Athens team due to security concerns, Brand might be regretting that decision. He has indicated he'd like to wear the USA jersey again.

Kobe Bryant: Knee surgery kept him off the 2003 U.S. Olympic qualifying team, and a sexual-assault trial forced him to withdraw from the 2004 team. He's in -- and gung ho -- for 2006 and 2008.

Vince Carter: The best player on the 2002 team, he has not yet met with Colangelo. His best dunk ever came while wearing a USA uniform when he jumped over 7-2 Frederic Weis of France during the Sydney Olympics.

Marcus Camby: Another on the short list of players who will meet with Colangelo soon. Was playing like the NBA's best center before getting hurt last month, and the Americans need a shot blocker and rebounder who can defend China's Yao Ming, Australia's Andrew Bogut, Argentina's Fabricio Oberto and Serbia's Nenad Krstic, among others.

Baron Davis: A member of the 2002 U.S. team that lost to Argentina, Yugoslavia and Spain, he'd like another chance. But with Billups and Jason Kidd seeming to be held in higher esteem, he appears to be somewhat a long shot.

Tim Duncan: Infuriated at the way international referees treated him during the Olympics, his parting words as he left Athens were "FIBA sucks." His agent has already informed Colangelo that Duncan will not be participating. :laugh:

T.J. Ford: An intriguing candidate, but too young and too raw to be given serious consideration. Perhaps in 2010 when the World Championship is held in Turkey.

Steve Francis: Top USA Basketball officials have never been all that enamored with his game or his character, and he remains off their radar. His suspension this week won't get him any closer to Beijing.

Channing Frye: One of the players Colangelo wants to have on a scout team that would scrimmage the national team in Las Vegas.

Kevin Garnett: Not interested in doing it again after winning a gold medal in Sydney.

Ben Gordon: The U.S. federation is not interested yet, but the British federation is. Gordon and teammate Luol Deng are toying with the idea of playing for Great Britain, with Steve Nash potentially as their coach, when England gets an automatic berth as host of the 2012 Olympics.

Richard Hamilton: Rip still has bad memories of his time with the U.S. Olympic qualifying team in 1999 when he sprained his ankle and did not play. For that reason, he might be on the fence.

Kirk Hinrich: There are some folks at USA Basketball who love him, others who believe he's not ready confidence-wise. A long shot.

Dwight Howard: The youngster is said to be super eager for a chance to play, and Colangelo has made it clear he sees Howard as one of the long-term pieces of his project. Might have to play his way onto the Japan roster if he gets an invite to training camp in Vegas.

Allen Iverson: Some in the USA Basketball hierarchy were skeptical about him going into the 2004 Olympics, but he won many of them over with his genuine passion for representing his country. Wants to play again.

Antawn Jamison: His struggles this season for Washington wouldn't figure to be helping him, but he's said to be under consideration.

Richard Jefferson: Played poorly for the U.S. team in Athens but wants to redeem himself. The type of first-class citizen USA Basketball has typically tried to get, but the memory of his inability to hit an open 20-footer has stuck in the heads of many U.S. federation officials.

Joe Johnson: This would be an awkward selection if Colangelo made it, given the circumstances of Johnson's departure from Colangelo's Phoenix Suns. But if bygones are truly bygones, Joe J may have a shot.

Jason Kidd: Has said he's very intrigued by the possibility of wearing the red, white and blue again. Was an integral part of the 2000 team in Sydney, the only player on that roster who knew the details of the disputed U.S. loss to the Soviet Union at the 1972 Munich Games. If he's chosen, it would impact the type of players that would be selected to surround him.

Kyle Korver: One of the game's best shooters, but too deficient in other areas to draw consideration.

Rashard Lewis: Wants to be in the mix, but it's unclear whether Colangelo has a mutual interest.

Stephon Marbury: Set the U.S. Olympic scoring record of 31 points against Spain in the Athens semifinals, but isn't believed to be on the list of players being considered for 2006.

Shawn Marion: A member of the 2004 and 2006 teams, he's a Colangelo favorite and likely will be playing for the U.S. in Japan.

Adam Morrison: Scout team candidate.

Tracy McGrady: Hasn't yet met with Colangelo but has said publicly that he does not believe his chronically injured back could take the wear and tear of a three-year commitment. Enjoyed his experience with the 2003 U.S. team that qualified for the Olympics at a tournament in Puerto Rico, but backed out without much of an excuse in 2004.

Brad Miller: Was a member of the 1998 U.S. team that competed in the World Championship in Greece during the NBA lockout, and has a style of play well suited to the international game. His agent has called Colangelo to state Miller's interest.

Greg Oden: Scout team candidate.

Lamar Odom: Is expected to meet with Colangelo later this month, and has said he'd like to represent the U.S. again. Was one of the more consistent performers for the 2004 Athens team.

Emeka Okafor: The only member of the 2004 team who failed to score a point in Athens, even when the team kept running plays for him in the fourth quarter of a blowout over Angola. Apparently not being considered for 2006.

Jermaine O'Neal: For reasons that remain unclear, O'Neal and Colangelo failed to keep a scheduled meeting. O'Neal has said publicly that a three-year commitment would be too taxing physically, but he still plans to talk things over with Colangelo.

Shaquille O'Neal: Hasn't played for the U.S. since 1996, but now says he's seriously thinking about doing it again. His presence alone would be a huge statement, but he'd have to be teammates with Kobe again.

Chris Paul: Scout team candidate.

Paul Pierce: Has repeatedly stated publicly that he wants a chance to redeem himself after being part of the 2002 debacle, and Colangelo has assured Pierce he'll get consideration. Expect the two to meet soon.

J.J. Redick: Scout team candidate.

Michael Redd: Many felt he should have been added to the 2004 Athens team, which needed shooters but added Okafor for the 12th roster spot. If Ray Allen declines to play, it's almost imperative that Redd be on the U.S. team. The Americans likely will see a steady diet of zone defenses, as they did in Athens. "We kept our zone packed inside the foul line," Lithuania's Sarunas Jasikevicius recalled.

Jason Richardson: Apparently not being considered.

Amare Stoudemire: Wants to play again after being buried on Larry Brown's bench in 2004, but it's hard to see his being included on the 2006 team so soon after having knee surgery. Look for him in Beijing, though.

Wally Szczerbiak: Colangelo plans to speak to him to gauge his interest.

Dwyane Wade: A person who has spoken to Wade described him as "98 percent" certain he'll rejoin the national team. He was the backup point guard behind Marbury in Athens.

Ben Wallace: His style of play is not suited to the international game, which was plain to anyone who watched him play on the 2002 team. He has improved his shooting since then, but it's still highly unlikely he'll play for the U.S. again.

Rasheed Wallace: Apparently not being considered.

Kstat
01-13-2006, 06:24 PM
Can't say I blame Duncan, with the FIBA officiating that pretty much allows you to commit murder on post players.

Now I understand why so few Euros have real post moves. They are discouraged from playing on the low block from day 1.

Also, with respect to JO, but if he won't commit to three years, then he should stay home. We can;t afford to let players run the show anymore, even if we have to settle for lesser ones.

If I was a Pacer fan, I'd want him to stay home too, for the same reasons Duncan isn't going.

The only real center I'd want on the team is Shaq, because no intenational center would have the balls to treat him like they trated Duncan.

Roy Munson
01-13-2006, 06:31 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&id=2290907


Rasheed Wallace: Apparently not being considered.

Gee, really??? You mean they don't want as$holes representing our country?

Kstat
01-13-2006, 06:31 PM
Gee, really??? You mean they don't want as$holes representing our country?

Yeah, you were the first guy scratched off the list.

Now that that's out of your system, leave and let someone else discuss the point of this thread.

Rytas_Jega
01-13-2006, 06:40 PM
Ben Gordon: The U.S. federation is not interested yet, but the British federation is. Gordon and teammate Luol Deng are toying with the idea of playing for Great Britain, with Steve Nash potentially as their coach, when England gets an automatic berth as host of the 2012 Olympics.



I hope they will play for GB. Otherwise, 2012 Olympic Basketball Tournament will have guaranteed 5 cruel games.

Rytas_Jega
01-13-2006, 06:54 PM
IMO, USA NT really needs Chauncey Billups and Ray Allen. International basketball game is much about threepoint shooting.

USA NT with any NBA players roster will be stronger phisically than their opponents.

Hicks
01-13-2006, 06:54 PM
I've missed something. Why would Gordon, Deng, and Nash play for Great Britain? Was that a joke?

Meanwhile, It'd be a coup to get Shaq on that team, and I think they're making a mistake in not pursuing Rasheed. I think he'd be a teriffic cog in the Team USA machine.

Rytas_Jega
01-13-2006, 06:56 PM
I've missed something. Why would Gordon, Deng, and Nash play for Great Britain? Was that a joke?


Nash couldn't play. He has played for Canada NT. But he could frighten opponents from bench being a coach.

Nash has Brittish passport.

BlueNGold
01-13-2006, 08:03 PM
I've missed something. Why would Gordon, Deng, and Nash play for Great Britain? Was that a joke?

Meanwhile, It'd be a coup to get Shaq on that team, and I think they're making a mistake in not pursuing Rasheed. I think he'd be a teriffic cog in the Team USA machine.

I doubt Shaq will play b/c Kobe is playing. ...and unless Shaq starts playing better, I don't want him on the team.

MillerTime
01-13-2006, 08:06 PM
I think alll three were born in the UK.

SwissExpress
01-13-2006, 08:32 PM
Wait a minute, why isn't Ron Artest among those 50 best..
Hmmm..

FreshPrince22
01-13-2006, 09:04 PM
Meanwhile, It'd be a coup to get Shaq on that team, and I think they're making a mistake in not pursuing Rasheed. I think he'd be a teriffic cog in the Team USA machine.

Just Imagine a team of

PG- Billups
SG- Ray Allen
SF- Kobe
PF- Sheed
C- Shaq

Double Shaq off anyone and you're dead from the perimiter. Dont double Shaq and you're dead from.... well... Shaq. Sheed would be the perfect teammate to Shaq. Drawing that defender out to the perimeter. There would be a lot of drama with that team outside of the Pistons though.

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 07:35 AM
I think alll three were born in the UK.

Almost.

Ben Gordon was born in London, United Kingdom.
Loul Deng was born in Sudan but raised in London.
Steve Nash was born in Johannesburg, South Africa and grew up in Canada (Vitoria, BC). He was a captain of Canada's basketball NT in 2000 Sydney Olympics.

British www.nba.com says:
http://www.nba.com/uk/british_players.html
"This year, British fans have all the more reason to watch the NBA, as we have four players in the league with UK ties, Michael Olowokandi and Ndudi Ebi of the Minnesota Timberwolves, Steve Nash of the Phoenix Suns and Luol Deng of the Chicago Bulls."

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 07:48 AM
Just Imagine a team of

PG- Billups
SG- Ray Allen
SF- Kobe
PF- Sheed
C- Shaq

Double Shaq off anyone and you're dead from the perimiter. Dont double Shaq and you're dead from.... well... Shaq. Sheed would be the perfect teammate to Shaq. Drawing that defender out to the perimeter. There would be a lot of drama with that team outside of the Pistons though.

I'm not sure you need Shaquille. Europeans would defend easily forcing Shaq to make 30 freethows a game. 50% freethrows from Americans, and 40-50% threepointers from Europeans...

Kstat
01-14-2006, 08:26 AM
I'm not sure you need Shaquille. Europeans would defend easily forcing Shaq to make 30 freethows a game. 50% freethrows from Americans, and 40-50% threepointers from Europeans...

Forcing Shaq to take 30 FTs a game never works.

It would only result in Every European team losing half thair players to fouls. ESPECIALLY with the 5-foul limit in international play.

Besides, half the fouls would be and-ones anyway.

Has everybody forgotten that there is no offensive goaltending in international play? The second a shot hits the rim, Shaq can simply shove the ball through the basket.

Chauncey
01-14-2006, 08:46 AM
I almost guarantee you that FIBA would institute some rule changes if it knew Shaq was going to play. Thats the type of organization it is.

#31
01-14-2006, 08:55 AM
Can't say I blame Duncan, with the FIBA officiating that pretty much allows you to commit murder on post players.

Now I understand why so few Euros have real post moves. They are discouraged from playing on the low block from day 1.

Also, with respect to JO, but if he won't commit to three years, then he should stay home. We can;t afford to let players run the show anymore, even if we have to settle for lesser ones.

If I was a Pacer fan, I'd want him to stay home too, for the same reasons Duncan isn't going.

The only real center I'd want on the team is Shaq, because no intenational center would have the balls to treat him like they trated Duncan.

Yes.. exactly, they cant tolerate REAL original basketball.

Hicks
01-14-2006, 11:18 AM
Americans never changed the rules because of individual players! :proud:

:tongue:

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 03:12 PM
Forcing Shaq to take 30 FTs a game never works.

It would only result in Every European team losing half thair players to fouls. ESPECIALLY with the 5-foul limit in international play.

Besides, half the fouls would be and-ones anyway.

Has everybody forgotten that there is no offensive goaltending in international play? The second a shot hits the rim, Shaq can simply shove the ball through the basket.

After some thinking I must agree with you Shaq couldn't get 30 frethrow attempts. He would be brutally fouled immediately in the scrimmage under the basket without a ball. Shaq would be soon ejected because of two technical fouls. He simply couldn't stand weaker ones beating him.

BlueNGold
01-14-2006, 03:40 PM
After some thinking I must agree with you Shaq couldn't get 30 frethrow attempts. He would be brutally fouled immediately in the scrimmage under the basket without a ball. Shaq would be soon ejected because of two technical fouls. He simply couldn't stand weaker ones beating him.

Shaq is brutally fouled under the basket almost every game and has shown incredible restraint. If anything, the players deliberately fouling him will pick up the technicals. Hack a Shaq has been an utter failure.

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 04:34 PM
Shaq is brutally fouled under the basket almost every game and has shown incredible restraint.

I don't know why, but NBA players are much more nervous when they play in international tournaments. Players like Steve Smith, Kevin Garnett or Ray Allen (not to mention Payton, Morning) definitely showed disrespect to their opponents, especially weaker ones. However, I forgot one thing, it will be toothless Japanese crowd in 2006. They love David Beckham and other prima donnas. Marbury won't have a chance to cry for a crowd hating them (when it indeed just normally supported weaker sides in Athens).



If anything, the players deliberately fouling him will pick up the technicals. Hack a Shaq has been an utter failure.
What technicals? I haven't seen FIBA or ULEB referees calling technical fouls for deliberate actions against player without a ball. But I remember one moment from last season when Vilnius Lietuvos Rytas center Javtokas ran out the line to avoid foul in the last seconds :D Shaq should start sprint trainings now if he thinks about playing in Japan.

Kstat
01-14-2006, 05:11 PM
I don't know why, but NBA players are much more nervous when they play in international tournaments. Players like Steve Smith, Kevin Garnett or Ray Allen (not to mention Payton, Morning) definitely showed disrespect to their opponents, especially weaker ones. However, I forgot one thing, it will be toothless Japanese crowd in 2006. They love David Beckham and other prima donnas. Marbury won't have a chance to cry for a crowd hating them (when it indeed just normally supported weaker sides in Athens).


What technicals? I haven't seen FIBA or ULEB referees calling technical fouls for deliberate actions against player without a ball. But I remember one moment from last season when Vilnius Lietuvos Rytas center Javtokas ran out the line to avoid foul in the last seconds :D Shaq should start sprint trainings now if he thinks about playing in Japan.

The point stands.

Hack-a-Shaq works once every 50 times.

Now If you give the US (still by far the best defensive players on ANY court, they were in Athens by a wide margin) time to set up their defense every posession, the European teams MIGHT manage 20 points a half, if that.

The only way international teams score on the US is via transition, and intentional fouling makes that impossible.

If you don't get that, you really don't know much about basketball at all. Either that, or you understand very little about defense.

Please, Hack shaq every posession. He's MORE than used to it.

In the end, the US will score at least 1 point every posession, half of the other team will foul out, the other team will be in the penalty 2 minutes into each half, and the team we play against MIGHT shoot %20 from the floor, if they hit a few lucky shots, since we'll have full-court defense set up every posession.

It's a completely ignorant point of view to think Shaq couldnt dominate the olympics. The rules are set up FOR him.

jcouts
01-14-2006, 07:25 PM
Gee, really??? You mean they don't want as$holes representing our country?

the sad thing is, Sheed's game, body and attitude is probably better for international style of play than just about any other big man in the NBA right now...

Just not sure why they would hold out Sheed for attitude purposes when they let Barkley play in 92 and 96...

Kestas
01-14-2006, 07:30 PM
I'm not sure you need Shaquille. Europeans would defend easily forcing Shaq to make 30 freethows a game. 50% freethrows from Americans, and 40-50% threepointers from Europeans...

lots of international enthusiasts also think that Shaq would foul out very quickly. I personally would like to see Shaq in the Worlds or Olympic games just for the sake of it. I think he would be unable to dominate against the best teams, even with some help by the refs (which would surface in one way or the other imho - unless rfs finally get over the US syndrome and stop helping them). obviously, in the case of failure FIBA would be to blame. but what else is there to do when you can't prove your worth otherwise than in words?

just teasing ;)

let's hope US assembles the team that satisfies the majority of you guys.

Kestas
01-14-2006, 08:00 PM
Now If you give the US (still by far the best defensive players on ANY court, they were in Athens by a wide margin) .

how do you know that (regarding Athens)?

if we judge by the stats, here's what we have (40 minute games!):
against Puerto Rico USA allowed 92 points (blowout loss)
against Greece - 71 (won, but only by 6)
against Lithuania - 94 (lost)
against Australia - 79 (10 points victory)
against Angola - 53 (good, but that was Angola)
quarters:
against Spain - 94 (won)
semis:
against Argentina - 89 (lost)
bronze medal:
against Lithuania - 96 (won)

unfortunately I can't compare this average with other teams, coz it's not on fiba site and I'm too lazy to look elsewhere, but was it the best result for points allowed between all teams? i seriously doubt it. I even think it was pretty poor.

k

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 08:06 PM
Kstat, don't take too seriously every word in my post.

What I wanted to say is I don't know why Shaquille is needed on the USA NT roster so much.

Elton Brand, Jarmaine O'neal or Amare could be not less useful in Japan. Those are strong phisically too be a threat under basket and have no major weakness at freethrow shooting or too short shooting range.

However, most teams will bring different zones concentrated on low post against USA because phsically they won't be able to take one on one anyone from USA frontline. Shaq or Brad Miller, or whoever will have to give balls for free shooters and if your shooters aren't Jeffersons, Wades and Odoms you will have a chance to make tons of them. International play is more of a threepointer game.

I don't know why Shaq or Elton Brand should hustle one against two or three when your shooters stand free at cheap (shorter distance) threepoint line.

Ray Allen's threepointers saved Sydney's final. Carter's long shots - semis.

You had no shooters (at least average) in Athens.

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 08:23 PM
how do you know that (regarding Athens)?

if we judge by the stats, here's what we have (40 minute games!):
against Puerto Rico USA allowed 92 points (blowout loss)
against Greece - 71 (won, but only by 6)
against Lithuania - 94 (lost)
against Australia - 79 (10 points victory)
against Angola - 53 (good, but that was Angola)
quarters:
against Spain - 94 (won)
semis:
against Argentina - 89 (lost)
bronze medal:
against Lithuania - 96 (won)

unfortunately I can't compare this average with other teams, coz it's not on fiba site and I'm too lazy to look elsewhere, but was it the best result for points allowed between all teams? i seriously doubt it. I even think it was pretty poor.

k

Summarizing:

83.5 points allowed per 40 minutes
100.2 points allowed per 48 minutes

if excluded and Angola, team nowhere of Olympics level

87.85 points allowed per 40 minutes
105.4 points allowed per 48 minutes

Kstat
01-14-2006, 08:25 PM
how do you know that (regarding Athens)?

if we judge by the stats, here's what we have (40 minute games!):
against Puerto Rico USA allowed 92 points (blowout loss)
against Greece - 71 (won, but only by 6)
against Lithuania - 94 (lost)
against Australia - 79 (10 points victory)
against Angola - 53 (good, but that was Angola)
quarters:
against Spain - 94 (won)
semis:
against Argentina - 89 (lost)
bronze medal:
against Lithuania - 96 (won)

unfortunately I can't compare this average with other teams, coz it's not on fiba site and I'm too lazy to look elsewhere, but was it the best result for points allowed between all teams? i seriously doubt it. I even think it was pretty poor.

k


The US was #1 in the olympics in points allowed, opposing FG%, and forced turnovers.

Rytas_Jega
01-14-2006, 08:32 PM
The US was #1 in the olympics in points allowed, opposing FG%, and forced turnovers.

Most Argumentative Poster, your argument is a bit far from reality ;)

I've just checked Italy's results. 586 points allowed in 8 games. 73.25 allowed points per game.

And I haven't checked other teams.

Kstat
01-14-2006, 08:37 PM
Most Argumentative Poster, your argument is a bit far from reality ;)

I've just checked Italy's results. 586 points allowed in 8 games. 73.25 allowed points per game.

And I haven't checked other teams.


Odd, because I recall them being a little better.

In any case, they WERE #1 in forcing turnovers. That I do remember for certain.

BlueNGold
01-14-2006, 08:44 PM
Team USA has always been a group of spoiled superstars thrown together. They have never been a real team with motivation and chemistry. Instead, they have been a group of incredibly arrogant players with a big target on their back...that has finally been hit due to improved international play.

If the US can put together a team of motivated players that believe the olympics are more important than a regular season NBA game, things will change. Hopefully the new three year commitment will change that. This should automatically cause the team to take more ownership and pride in competing in the olympics, which is a good thing.

Kstat
01-15-2006, 12:42 AM
LeBron makes his commitment official:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2292730

PHOENIX -- LeBron James has committed to playing for the U.S. team at this year's world championships and the 2008 Olympics, the head of USA basketball said Saturday night.

LeBron James
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GM PPG RPG APG FG% FT%
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"It's officially official in his case and I know he's excited about it," said Jerry Colangelo, managing director of USA Basketball. "He's obviously one of the core guys you want because of his talent, his age, his maturity at a very young age."

Colangelo met with James before the Cleveland Cavaliers played the Phoenix Suns, but thought the 21-year-old Cavs' star already had committed in a meeting in Chicago on Dec. 22. However, James was quoted as saying he still had to talk to Colangelo before making any commitment.

"So I visited with him about a half-hour ago to confirm that everything's OK and absolutely it is," Colangelo said. "He said 'Well, what should I tell the media?' and I said 'Tell them you're in, because that's what I'm going to tell them.'"

James declined to talk with reporters before the game.

He was part of the U.S. team that struggled to win a bronze medal at the Athens Olympics in 2004, but saw limited playing time for coach Larry Brown's team. He played in eight games, averaging 5.4 points and 11.4 minutes per contest.

"He had a bad experience, you know, in Athens," Colangelo said. "He wasn't happy about how things turned out there, the outcome and his own personal experience there. He sees this as an opportunity and he buys into representing your country and winning a gold medal, and doing it the appropriate way. He wants to be a part of that."

Colangelo was named the sole head of the U.S. basketball federation last year and given the responsibility for restoring the national team to the greatness it once enjoyed. He will select 20 players and has already picked Duke's Mike Krzyzewski to coach the team.

A training camp will be held in Las Vegas, to begin around July 18, to choose the 14 or so players who will participate in the world championships later this year in Japan.

Next year, the group will gather for a week and a half of training and maybe an exhibition game, then will reconvene again in 2008 to prepare for the Olympics.

Colangelo plans to announce the participants four at a time in a series of news conferences after the NBA All-Star break in mid-February. Those players undecided about a commitment, including Shaquille O'Neal, have until the All-Star break to make up their minds, Colangelo said.

He said two players, Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett, have informed him through their agents that they won't be a part of the U.S. team. However, Colangelo said he still planned to ask Garnett to meet with him when the Minnesota Timberwolves come to Phoenix on Feb. 6.

Rytas_Jega
01-15-2006, 06:52 AM
The groups of 2006 World Championship are drawn.

USA got the second strongest group.
Group D
USA
Italy
China
Slovenia
Puerto Rico
Senegal

We got a "group of death"
Group C
Lithuania
Greece
Brazil
Turkey
Australia
Qatar

Other groups aren't so equal.

Group A
Argentina
France
Serbia and Montenegro
Venesuela
Nigeria
Liban

Group B (the weakest group, lucky hosts Japanese)
Spain
Germany
New Zeland
Angola
Panama
Japan

shags
01-15-2006, 11:14 AM
The groups of 2006 World Championship are drawn.

USA got the second strongest group.
Group D
USA
Italy
China
Slovenia
Puerto Rico
Senegal

We got a "group of death"
Group C
Lithuania
Greece
Brazil
Turkey
Australia
Qatar

Other groups aren't so equal.

Group A
Argentina
France
Serbia and Montenegro
Venesuela
Nigeria
Liban

Group B (the weakest group, lucky hosts Japanese)
Spain
Germany
New Zeland
Angola
Panama
Japan

So how will that work as far as advancement? I know you play each team in your group once in a round robin. After that, do 4 teams from each group advance to play in a 16 team single elimination tournament?

Rasmus
01-15-2006, 01:45 PM
Here it is, competition format:
http://www.fiba.com/pages/en/events/blockbusters/world_champ_men_06/article_World_Champ_Men.asp?cookietest=done&r_act_news=10782

FreshPrince22
01-15-2006, 06:26 PM
I'd be willing to bet that Chauncey/Rip/Tay/Sheed/Ben with Dice and with Flip coaching wins fairly easily. Just fill out the rest of the roster with good roll players. The biggest reason is chemistry, but they are also great playing the three-ball game. They are 2nd in the league in 3 point percentage and 4th in 3 point defense. And I imagine Rip would be deadly in the international game.

Kestas
01-15-2006, 07:13 PM
Odd, because I recall them being a little better.

In any case, they WERE #1 in forcing turnovers. That I do remember for certain.

yeap, US were clearly first in steals and blocks, which probably shows good personal deffense. however, team deffense was by far less impressive.

rexnom
01-15-2006, 07:44 PM
yeap, US were clearly first in steals and blocks, which probably shows good personal deffense. however, team deffense was by far less impressive.

I don't think it's that...I think the U.S. players approached the Olympics like an all-star game. Let's just sort of screw around...intercept passes, block shots, etc. but not put any real effort into defense. I agree heartily with Kstat that a U.S. team made up of basically any of those 50 players, not even talking about defensive aces, would be the best defensive team BY FAR. That, of course, is if, and only if, they'd all take it seriously, which I doubt.

BlueNGold
01-15-2006, 08:20 PM
I don't think it's that...I think the U.S. players approached the Olympics like an all-star game. Let's just sort of screw around...intercept passes, block shots, etc. but not put any real effort into defense. I agree heartily with Kstat that a U.S. team made up of basically any of those 50 players, not even talking about defensive aces, would be the best defensive team BY FAR. That, of course, is if, and only if, they'd all take it seriously, which I doubt.

I agree with most everything you say, except I think this crop of NBA players will take the olympics seriously for the first time. This is only partly due to an increased respect for their opponents. The three year commitment is crucial...but it is also not the most important driver.

The primary reason is that the NBA-style of play has been criticized in favor of the Euro-style. The NBA game is woven into the culture of many NBA players and this criticism is to a large extent a criticism of their culture. This will draw the US players together for the first time, create motivation, build chemistry and the teamwork they now need to win. This will be a different team, and I suspect a team on a mission.

Kstat
01-15-2006, 09:24 PM
They wouldnt have gotten on the floor for larry brown in 2004 if they didnt play defense.

skyfire
01-15-2006, 11:38 PM
yikes Australia got the hardest group. should be interesting to see if they can cause any upsets with likely the strongest side they've ever fielded to be playing.

Kstat
01-15-2006, 11:39 PM
yikes Australia got the hardest group. should be interesting to see if they can cause any upsets with likely the strongest side they've ever fielded likely to be playing.

Bogut alone makes them a contender. They should be fine.

If they can't beat out Quatar and Brazil (probably minus Nene) for a playoff spot, they never deserved to be there.

skyfire
01-15-2006, 11:45 PM
Bogut alone makes them a contender. They should be fine.

If they can't beat out Quatar and Brazil (probably minus Nene) for a playoff spot, they never deserved to be there.

yea bogut will definately help, but center is far from our weakest position. we have a Iverson wanna-be who happens to be the coaches favourite at PG, CJ Bruton. Shane Heal and him formed the hopelessly porous perimeter defense of 2 undersized guards in Athens. Really need some young backcourt talent to step up in the next few years if Australia is going to improve in Beijing.

They *should* beat Turkey, Brazil and Qatar. But I have no faith in our coach. Great NBL coach, unconvincing in Athens however.

Kstat
01-15-2006, 11:48 PM
yea bogut will definately help, but center is far from our weakest position. we have a Iverson wanna-be who happens to be the coaches favourite at PG, CJ Bruton. Shane Heal and him formed the hopelessly porous perimeter defense of 2 undersized guards in Athens. Really need some young backcourt talent to step up in the next few years if Australia is going to improve in Beijing.

I don't know how much more you can expect out of the Aussies, except for a playoff berth and maybe 1 win. The talent just isn't there, as you said.

skyfire
01-16-2006, 12:07 AM
I don't know how much more you can expect out of the Aussies, except for a playoff berth and maybe 1 win. The talent just isn't there, as you said.

Yea, they finished 10th or 11th or somesuch in Athens, with a flawed lineup and Bogut 19yo. I think they are a 5th-8th ranked team at present. If Brad Newley or some other young talents step up in the next few years, they could be an outside chance for a medal in Beijing.

GetOdom
01-16-2006, 12:12 AM
I wanna see Granger commit to the USA Team that would be great.

rexnom
01-16-2006, 01:17 AM
They wouldnt have gotten on the floor for larry brown in 2004 if they didnt play defense.

A lot of players didn't get on the floor for larry brown...uh LeBron, D-Wade, Amare, anyone?

Kestas
01-16-2006, 05:39 AM
I don't think it's that...I think the U.S. players approached the Olympics like an all-star game. Let's just sort of screw around...intercept passes, block shots, etc. but not put any real effort into defense. I agree heartily with Kstat that a U.S. team made up of basically any of those 50 players, not even talking about defensive aces, would be the best defensive team BY FAR. That, of course, is if, and only if, they'd all take it seriously, which I doubt.

I sincerely don't believe any of that. those players and their coaches approached the games the way they were expected to approach. they approached them the way the whole of US approached them. they put in as much effort, as they possibly could in the given sircumstances. the result USA got was the very best they could achieve.

regarding your bold statement at the end of the post.. well, this is pathetic. USA should not be saying something like "we are the best, but we just don't show it, coz we are lazy". this is the poor excuse to make for any sports.

Kstat
01-16-2006, 05:40 AM
If the 2004 team didn't care, they wouldnt have played so hard to win the bronze medal in the 3rd-place game.

Agreed that that team was put together very poorly, and they were given a very bad short-term coach to run them.

Given that I think they were the 2nd-best team in the tournament to Argentina, I think they performed to their expectations. They got the Bronze, but probably would have beaten any team in the tournament except Argentina, who was a team on a mission.

I'm not going to say I was happy wth the Bronze. HOWEVER, It took Larry Brown %80 of the olympics just to set his rotation, and Argentina was a team full of NBA-calibur players that had all played together SINCE THEY WERE FOURTEEN.

I was more than proud of the effort they showed in rebounding from the loss to the Argentines and earning the silver medal.

The 2002 team was an embarrassment. Those guys were the lazy ones that didnt bother trying. Don't confuse them with the 2004 team, that realistically performed to expecations.

Kestas
01-16-2006, 05:46 AM
Bogut alone makes them a contender. They should be fine.

If they can't beat out Quatar and Brazil (probably minus Nene) for a playoff spot, they never deserved to be there.

C group teams will face D group teams in the 1/8 finals and that makes life for all of them very hard. Australia were not very strong recently and if they do quallify for 1/8 finals, they will be be playing some very strong squads there. obviously, this combination of C and D is totally ridiculous compared to A and B. that's why the final standings of the tournament may not represent the actual ballance of power in the world.

Rytas_Jega
01-16-2006, 08:07 AM
C group teams will face D group teams in the 1/8 finals and that makes life for all of them very hard. Australia were not very strong recently and if they do quallify for 1/8 finals, they will be be playing some very strong squads there. obviously, this combination of C and D is totally ridiculous compared to A and B. that's why the final standings of the tournament may not represent the actual ballance of power in the world.

All this championship is ridiculous starting with qualification system. There are too many places for Africa and Americas. Serbia and Montenegro, Italy and Turkey didn't qualify. Four Wild Card system saved them. However, Croatia and Russia (finished 7th and 8th - over Italy, Serbia and Montenegro and Turkey in the last European Championship) are both obviously stronger than half of those 24 teams, including 4th Wild Card owner Puerto Rico.

rexnom
01-16-2006, 08:14 AM
I sincerely don't believe any of that. those players and their coaches approached the games the way they were expected to approach. they approached them the way the whole of US approached them. they put in as much effort, as they possibly could in the given sircumstances. the result USA got was the very best they could achieve.

regarding your bold statement at the end of the post.. well, this is pathetic. USA should not be saying something like "we are the best, but we just don't show it, coz we are lazy". this is the poor excuse to make for any sports.

No, I think you misinterpreted what I said. I still think they cared about winning and such. Just like the players at an all-star game care. However, they wanted to win the easy way without having to put too much effort into it (which is where the defense shows). If the 2006-2008 team actually plays with effort on defense there is no chance in hell anyone is beating the U.S. I'm sorry, it's that simple.

Rytas_Jega
01-16-2006, 08:17 AM
Bogut alone makes them a contender. They should be fine.

They also have David Anderson 7"0 versatile center, one of the best in Euroleague. IMO, he, Croatian Nikola Vujcic and Lithuanian Lavrinovic twins should play at the NBA. They are obviously more quality players then some European NBA starters like Krstic or Nesterovic.


If they can't beat out Quatar and Brazil (probably minus Nene) for a playoff spot, they never deserved to be there.

Barbosa and Varejao are also Brazilians.

However their #1 scoring option is Machado, player who failed at the second Italian league, but is a leader at NBA players' Brazilian National Team.

Rytas_Jega
01-16-2006, 08:24 AM
No, I think you misinterpreted what I said. I still think they cared about winning and such. Just like the players at an all-star game care. However, they wanted to win the easy way without having to put too much effort into it (which is where the defense shows). If the 2006-2008 team actually plays with effort on defense there is no chance in hell anyone is beating the U.S. I'm sorry, it's that simple.

For me it looked like they did all they could every night on the floor. However, sleepless nights at clubs had some impact.

Kestas
01-16-2006, 12:00 PM
No, I think you misinterpreted what I said. I still think they cared about winning and such. Just like the players at an all-star game care. However, they wanted to win the easy way without having to put too much effort into it (which is where the defense shows). If the 2006-2008 team actually plays with effort on defense there is no chance in hell anyone is beating the U.S. I'm sorry, it's that simple.

I'm afraid this means that in your opinion, if the new US team will lose here or there, it will be only due to the lack of motivation and effort on that particullar night and nothing else?
in that case you shouldn't be surprised why basketball fans from outside the US generally hate American fans ;) you guys are the embodiment of ignorance and blindish self-confidence. not that it's bad or something, but it can get irritating sometimes..

Kstat
01-16-2006, 02:18 PM
Barbosa and Varejao are also Brazilians.

So is Tiego Splitter.

The problem with those guys is that none of them can score, and Nene used to bring that element at the FIBA level.