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Bball
01-12-2006, 12:05 PM
Time not right for Artest deal

LET'S END THIS nonsense. There's only one way the Warriors are going to acquire Ron Artest from the Pacers, and that's if David Stern forces Indiana's hand.

There's no reason for Larry Bird to deal his troubled star right now. Teams are getting more and more desperate by the day, so it stands to reason the Pacers will get maximum value by waiting at least another month.

The trade deadline is Feb.23.

In the next six weeks, the contenders will separate themselves from the pretenders. It is the latter — teams who got their fans' hopes artificially raised in November and December, only to get a serious dose of reality in January and February — upon whom the Pacers must wait to prey.

That could be the Clippers, Kings or Timberwolves. And, yes, even possibly the Warriors.

But now's not the time for Chris Mullin to panic. Let's see how Mickael Pietrus' long-awaited return and Ike Diogu's improved play of late play out.

Trade Diogu or Troy Murphy? No chance.

Take it or leave it, Pacers: Pietrus, Andris Biedrins and Calbert Cheaney.

Bird wants to believe he can do better. Maybe he can ... in February.

But not right now. Not if Stern informs him the league's new inactive list is not an acceptable place to store players being punished. You've got 72 hours to trade Artest or place him on the club's 12-man active roster.

The All-Star will never wear a Pacers uniform again, so Bird would be forced to rummage through the scrap heap. Suddenly, a young athlete, an even younger big man and an Indiana University alum in the final year of his contract doesn't sound so bad.

Stern likes the Warriors. He just might do it. Stay tuned.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/davedelgrande/ci_3394956

Will Galen
01-12-2006, 12:08 PM
Not a chance! The NBA doesn't decide who goes on the 12 man active list, the Pacers do. That was just dumb!

The best Stern could do would be to say the Pacers can't keep Ron away from the other players like they are doing. So Ron would sit on the bench in street clothes during games and get to practice with the team. However, Stern is aware he already made the Pacer's angry with the length of Ron's suspension. He's not going to say a word unless he gets a complaint. Ron isn't going to complain because he knows he's not wanted.

blanket
01-12-2006, 12:09 PM
This idiot thinks Stern would force the Pacers to take Ron off the inactive list and trade him just because he "likes the Warriors"?

Actually, I wouldn't put anything past Stern... :whoknows:

NPFII
01-12-2006, 12:09 PM
Time not right for Artest deal

LET'S END THIS nonsense. There's only one way the Warriors are going to acquire Ron Artest from the Pacers, and that's if David Stern forces Indiana's hand.

There's no reason for Larry Bird to deal his troubled star right now. Teams are getting more and more desperate by the day, so it stands to reason the Pacers will get maximum value by waiting at least another month.

The trade deadline is Feb.23.

In the next six weeks, the contenders will separate themselves from the pretenders. It is the latter teams who got their fans' hopes artificially raised in November and December, only to get a serious dose of reality in January and February upon whom the Pacers must wait to prey.

That could be the Clippers, Kings or Timberwolves. And, yes, even possibly the Warriors.

But now's not the time for Chris Mullin to panic. Let's see how Mickael Pietrus' long-awaited return and Ike Diogu's improved play of late play out.

Trade Diogu or Troy Murphy? No chance.

Take it or leave it, Pacers: Pietrus, Andris Biedrins and Calbert Cheaney.

Bird wants to believe he can do better. Maybe he can ... in February.

But not right now. Not if Stern informs him the league's new inactive list is not an acceptable place to store players being punished. You've got 72 hours to trade Artest or place him on the club's 12-man active roster.

The All-Star will never wear a Pacers uniform again, so Bird would be forced to rummage through the scrap heap. Suddenly, a young athlete, an even younger big man and an Indiana University alum in the final year of his contract doesn't sound so bad.

Stern likes the Warriors. He just might do it. Stay tuned.

http://www.insidebayarea.com/davedelgrande/ci_3394956

Two comments:
1. That proposed deal aint that bad.
2. Stern will never do that. I dont think he has the right to, and it IS Ron Artest we're tlking about...

blanket
01-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Two comments:
1. That proposed deal aint that bad.


Yes, if the Maggette deal falls through, I'm not sure we could do much better than a straight up deal for Pietrus, Andris Biedrins and Calbert Cheaney (assuming we don't want to part with any players in addition to Ron).

Outlaw
01-12-2006, 12:13 PM
Actually I'm sure Stern is HAPPY Ron is not playing right now.Less problems for the league office.

indygeezer
01-12-2006, 12:14 PM
They honestly feel Der Furher is going to bail them out and force TPTBs hand? On what grounds? They be starting to panic and the Clips rumors are just gonna fuel that panic.

CableKC
01-12-2006, 12:22 PM
Dumb@ss article. How on earth can Stern force a GM to trade a player? Trade him or else.....whether you like what you are offered or not....doing so would set a really bad precedent...not only for the Simon's....but for the other Owners in the league.

Diamond Dave
01-12-2006, 12:30 PM
This is not the first time I've read that Stern may not be happy with the Pacers placing Ron on the inactive list.

Does he have the legal recourse to make the team put him on the active list?

Slick Pinkham
01-12-2006, 12:30 PM
The Pacers are contractually obligated to PAY Ron Artest.

As long as the paychecks show up, they are not breaking their contract. No players contract states that he must play.

The Philadelphia Eagles and Terrell Owens had a dispute because they wanted initially to not pay him. Once they agreed to pay him, the grievence that was filed to keep him from being put on the inactive list was tossed out.

Granted the NBA has a stronger union than the NFL, but I see no way by which the Pacers can be ordered by anyone to do anything more than sending Ron his check in the mail.

blanket
01-12-2006, 12:34 PM
This is not the first time I've read that Stern may not be happy with the Pacers placing Ron on the inactive list.

Does he have the legal recourse to make the team put him on the active list?

I assume the other piece you read was from a Peter Vescey column a few weeks ago, and there was some debate as to whether or not he was just trying to make a joke - one can never tell with Petey. :unimpress

owl
01-12-2006, 12:38 PM
They honestly feel Der Furher is going to bail them out and force TPTBs hand? On what grounds? They be starting to panic and the Clips rumors are just gonna fuel that panic.


That is what I am thinking.


owl

Bball
01-12-2006, 12:44 PM
This is not the first time I've read that Stern may not be happy with the Pacers placing Ron on the inactive list.

Does he have the legal recourse to make the team put him on the active list?

Vecsey mentioned it but no one could tell if he was serious or being sarcastic. At least I couldn't.

As for the defense that Stern wouldn't do it because it IS Artest (implying he doesn't like him or his image enough to go to bat for him) is probably being short-sighted. He could use the opportunity to use it as an olive branch to the player's union for brownie points or he could use it to show the sports world (and media) that he has no personal grudges with Artest.

He could even do it to show people they must respect his 'author a tay" (Insert Cartman voice).

Or not...

The question is whether he could force the Pacers' hand either directly or indirectly without creating a CBA issue that would give all the owners pause or whether Stern's hands are tied. And IF enough people think his hands are tied that might be reason enough for him to make a move to prove them wrong and show he is still the NBA czar.

-Bball

NPFII
01-12-2006, 01:44 PM
Vecsey mentioned it but no one could tell if he was serious or being sarcastic. At least I couldn't.

As for the defense that Stern wouldn't do it because it IS Artest (implying he doesn't like him or his image enough to go to bat for him) is probably being short-sighted. He could use the opportunity to use it as an olive branch to the player's union for brownie points or he could use it to show the sports world (and media) that he has no personal grudges with Artest.

He could even do it to show people they must respect his 'author a tay" (Insert Cartman voice).

Or not...

The question is whether he could force the Pacers' hand either directly or indirectly without creating a CBA issue that would give all the owners pause or whether Stern's hands are tied. And IF enough people think his hands are tied that might be reason enough for him to make a move to prove them wrong and show he is still the NBA czar.

-Bball

No way he can give a team a deadline to trade a player who asked for it. That's just not right. Can you imagine the implications? Any snot-nosed player can "demand" a trade (over the media, mind you!) and now the management has to comply up to a certain deadline?!? And all this because the guy didn't think he got enough touches?! He!! no! Not even if the man's name is Michael Jordan!

As long as the Pacers pay him, which is legally keeping their part of the contract, there's nothing legal that King David can do.

Anthem
01-12-2006, 01:45 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but if the Warriors would include a pick, I'd take that over Maggette unless the Pacers were absolutely sure he (Mags) could stay healthy.

CableKC
01-12-2006, 01:55 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but if the Warriors would include a pick, I'd take that over Maggette unless the Pacers were absolutely sure he (Mags) could stay healthy.
I would too....but I'm beginning to not really care. Either would be fine with me just so we can move on....whether Maggette plays or not. I would prefer to go with the Pietrus/Biedrins trade....but I'm guessing that Walsh would want Maggette more.

I just want to get this over with so that I am not checking PD at 12am in the morning to see whether Artest was traded or not.

RWB
01-12-2006, 02:03 PM
I'm still not thrilled with the risk. Maggette's contract has Bender written all over it.

(Thanks again to WGalen for the figures)

7,400,000 This season
7,600,000
7,800,000
8,000,000 08/09

CableKC
01-12-2006, 02:34 PM
I am guessing that if Maggette's injury was career threatening.....Walsh wouldn't even consider him cuz I don't think he is that dumb.

At best...he comes back in 2 months...at worst....he's out for the rest of the regular season and is ready to go by the start of 2006.

If that is truly unknown.....and he is damaged goods for this season....then I really hope that we get some type of compensation in the form of additional players or a 1st round Draft pick.

Jon Theodore
01-12-2006, 03:49 PM
We need to do the warriors deal. Hopefully this is all just plotting to make them give us a draft pick also.

That deal is sooo good though. Biedrins could be the next Rik Smits and Pietrus is already an established defensive presence.

They could also be busts. But nothing good happens without taking risks.

Outlaw
01-12-2006, 04:16 PM
I know I'm in the minority, but if the Warriors would include a pick, I'd take that over Maggette unless the Pacers were absolutely sure he (Mags) could stay healthy.

I feel the same way.We are already tired of Jamaal being injured every year.Yet People seem to want to bring in another chronically injured player who might not make thru the season and be ready for the post season.

I hope IF the trade does happen that Cory proves me wrong but his history says otherwise.:twocents:

CableKC
01-12-2006, 04:25 PM
We need to do the warriors deal. Hopefully this is all just plotting to make them give us a draft pick also.

That deal is sooo good though. Biedrins could be the next Rik Smits and Pietrus is already an established defensive presence.

They could also be busts. But nothing good happens without taking risks.

I don't know if Biedrins is really on the block or not......on the Warriors RealGM board....they think that Biedrins is untouchable.

I'm torn on this....I want this Artest thing to go away so much...I would be willing to take Maggette just so that we can move on. I would still prefer the Pietrus/Biedrins deal over Maggette....just so that we can effectively start the rebuilding process....but I have a feeling that Walsh wants to contend this season...hence the Maggette route.