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indygeezer
01-10-2006, 04:19 PM
OK, I did see this on the STAR board while surfing there and thought it was a darn good question.


How do you feel about putting Ron Artest on the US Olympic Basketball Team?




Personally, I'd be for it.

I'm almost convinced he has finally seen wha this actions can cause, I think he'd be on his best behaviour.

SoupIsGood
01-10-2006, 04:31 PM
Dumbest idea ever.

CableKC
01-10-2006, 04:32 PM
He maybe a great player on both ends of the court......but there is no way that whatever committee that puts the team together would even consider him. Not because he will do something crazy.....but Artest is the NBA's current Posterboy for bad Behavior. The Oylmpics is as much of an image thing for the U.S as it is about competing and dominating the other countries in Basketball.

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 04:34 PM
He maybe a great player on both ends of the court......but there is no way that whatever committee that puts the team together would even consider him. Not because he will do something crazy.....but Artest is the NBA's current Posterboy for bad Behavior. The Oylmpics is as much of an image thing for the U.S as it is about competing and dominating the other countries in Basketball.


And yet Iverson turned out to be the one player that carped the least and worked the hardest. I never would have thought it, nor would I have put him on the team.

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 04:35 PM
At least by sending Ron overseas, we'd be fighting the other teams over there so we don't have to fight them over here.



LMAO!!!

ABADays
01-10-2006, 04:53 PM
Sure, why not bring last year's brawl shame to the Olympic team so they can see it over and over in every language imaginable.

grace
01-10-2006, 04:58 PM
Personally, I'd be for it.

You really want there to be an international incident?












:goodnight

NaptownBound
01-10-2006, 04:58 PM
And yet Iverson turned out to be the one player that carped the least and worked the hardest. I never would have thought it, nor would I have put him on the team.

why wouldn't you have thought that? or, better yet, why wouldn't you have put Iverson on the team?

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 05:45 PM
why wouldn't you have thought that? or, better yet, why wouldn't you have put Iverson on the team?


Up to that point he had been the complete antithesis of what I feel an NBA player should be. However, his behaviour and dedication to team play during the Olympics caused me to change my mind about him. I still don't like him but I can respect him better now.


PRACTICE???

Slick Pinkham
01-10-2006, 05:51 PM
I might choose another country to cheer for.

Maybe.

It would certainly make me a lot less interested.

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 05:58 PM
I might choose another country to cheer for.

Maybe.

It would certainly make me a lot less interested.

Why is that Tom? Is it because you just don't like the backstabber or becasue of his on-court behavior.. Just curious.

NaptownBound
01-10-2006, 06:02 PM
Up to that point he had been the complete antithesis of what I feel an NBA player should be. However, his behaviour and dedication to team play during the Olympics caused me to change my mind about him. I still don't like him but I can respect him better now.


PRACTICE???

I wouldn't call him the complete antithesis at all... however I don't disagree with you completely. I think AI represents an entire generation of young ball players. You may not like his "image", but who's to say that his image is right or wrong? Do you not like him because he has cornrows? tattoos? Does that have any bearing on why you thought he was the complete antithesis of an NBA player?

His game speaks for itself. He's virtually unstoppable offensively. He's among the league leaders in steals every year. He may not be the greatest on ball defender, but he does a pretty good job. No one could ever question his heart, determination, or effort night-in, night-out. In my view, he's everything you would want your best player to be on the court.

also, realize the context in which the "Practice" comments were made. he's gone on record saying that it wasn't the best time to talk to the media. they had just been put out the playoffs. he met with management, who talked about changing the team, and in his personal life... a lifelong friend on his had just gotten gunned down. you add all that together and you get "PRACTICE?!?!"

Slick Pinkham
01-10-2006, 06:03 PM
I just think that an Olympic team represents your freakin' country and I just don't want us to stoop so low and to pick anyone to help us win, regardless of how likely it is that they might misbehave.

If there was such a thing as Olympic American football I would feel the same way if Terrell Owens and Randy Moss were on the team.

If we had to pick 12 guys there is no overwhelming reason based upon TALENT that he would have to be picked. There would be guys less talented than him, sure, but guys I'm positive that wouldn't be a potential embarrassment.

microwave_oven
01-10-2006, 06:48 PM
The problem with NBA players in the Olympics is that they play greedy-ball. They try to awe the crowds with fantastic dunks and rediculous passes. Not to mention they play no defense. Ron wouldn't do that. He brings an aggessive mentality to the game. Playing hard defense, fighting for every loose ball, grinding for points in the paint, and playing with a competitive spirit. I would rather watch the US team lose while playing good team ball than lose with spectacular and show-off plays. Ron is a very good competitorand may be what the Olympic team needs. It's not like he's going to start a fight with someone and embarrass the United States, what's embarrassing is losing to teams with far less talent.

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 06:49 PM
I wouldn't call him the complete antithesis at all... however I don't disagree with you completely. I think AI represents an entire generation of young ball players. You may not like his "image", but who's to say that his image is right or wrong? Do you not like him because he has cornrows? tattoos? Does that have any bearing on why you thought he was the complete antithesis of an NBA player? I've learned to live with the cornrows and tatoos, and you're right, I didn't like them. But I think that is more a generational thing than a racial bias. His game is a one man game and his PRACTICE comment cemented that impression to my mind.

His game speaks for itself. He's virtually unstoppable offensively. He's among the league leaders in steals every year. He may not be the greatest on ball defender, but he does a pretty good job. No one could ever question his heart, determination, or effort night-in, night-out. In my view, he's everything you would want your best player to be on the court. No, his is a ME game...anybody taking that many shots and hitting that low of percentage fails to play team ball. Best player or not...IMPO it is about TEAM. That is why I was so impressed with his Olympic showing. HE was the one not complaining and sacrifycing his game for the team. THis was something I didn't expect from him and I've cut him slack since.

also, realize the context in which the "Practice" comments were made. he's gone on record saying that it wasn't the best time to talk to the media. they had just been put out the playoffs. he met with management, who talked about changing the team, and in his personal life... a lifelong friend on his had just gotten gunned down. you add all that together and you get "PRACTICE?!?!" No, he was beyatching because he wsa being called out by his coach and the media IIRC. Everybody has trouble in their lives but not everybody goes on the media and whines. I remember too his verbal blast here in Indy whech Bill Walton whalloped him for on nat'l tv. He was taking a blasting in the media for it until he and his spin doctors turned it against the city of Indianapolis and played the RACIST card. He tried to trash the reputation of my hometown just to divert attention away from himself.

Finally, my comment was not meant as a criticism against him, I was actually saying "see I was wrong". I said that I wouldn't have put him on the team and I was implying that I would have been making a mistake in not doing so because look how he turned out. I'm using that example to show that others may be doing the same with Ron.

indygeezer
01-10-2006, 06:54 PM
I just think that an Olympic team represents your freakin' country and I just don't want us to stoop so low and to pick anyone to help us win, regardless of how likely it is that they might misbehave.

If there was such a thing as Olympic American football I would feel the same way if Terrell Owens and Randy Moss were on the team.

If we had to pick 12 guys there is no overwhelming reason based upon TALENT that he would have to be picked. There would be guys less talented than him, sure, but guys I'm positive that wouldn't be a potential embarrassment.

I can certainly rspect that feeling Tom. It wsa why I wanted RA traded along time ago and why I personally wouldn't have welcomed 'Sheed on the Pacers. (although he's been on his best behavior in Detroit). Yes, I am a win now guy...but win with HONOR not win at all costs.

Bball
01-10-2006, 07:55 PM
Been hitting the bottle today, Geezer? ;)

Ron needs to rehab his image before that honor is bestowed upon him. 11/19 and "the December not to Remember" have not exactly put him far along the 'rehab' process.

IMHO of course...

Speaking of IMHO...
Naptown bound asked:


You may not like his "image", but who's to say that his image is right or wrong?

I'll say it. His image is wrong. It's wrong for basketball as long as basketball remains a team game with team goals. OTOH, if he considers winning the scoring title a success, and the NBA bases it on points and not percentages, then more power to him. ....But don't expect me to be a fan.

-Bball

Kaufman
01-10-2006, 10:21 PM
Geez, I guess I really don't want a guy like him representing the USA.

Young
01-10-2006, 10:31 PM
Ron is a great player but does not represent himself in a adult manner and in no way deserves to be on the USA team. That is an honor and Ron should not even be considered for such an honor. Not even as the water boy.

skyfire
01-10-2006, 11:57 PM
Absolutely. If you look past the damage he has done to the Pacers, he is still one of the best SFs in the game.

Having LeBron, Marion and Ron would be an amazing rotation at that position, each capable of scoring, rebounding and defense in different proportions.

Anthem
01-11-2006, 01:49 AM
I think he'd be a good pickup. Not like they'll risk it.