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NPFII
12-20-2005, 11:06 AM
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Indiana Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Artest_Ron_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jackson_Stephen_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
13.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Tinsley_Jamaal_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
10.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 5.5 apg in 28.5 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Lewis_Rashard_sea.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Rashard Lewis
6-10 SF from Alief Elsik (HS)
21.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>

Change in team outlook: -21.8 ppg, -6.4 rpg, and -7.3 apg.
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<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Atlanta Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Harrington_Al_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Lue_Tyronn_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
9.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 23.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Delk_Tony_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Tony Delk
6-2 from Kentucky
No games yet played in 2005/06</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Jackson_Stephen_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
13.9 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 34.9 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Tinsley_Jamaal_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
10.3 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 5.5 apg in 28.5 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Nene_den.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: -3.8 ppg, -2.1 rpg, and +1.6 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>



<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Denver Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Nene_den.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Nene Hilario
6-11 PF from Brazil (Foreign)
0.0 ppg, 0.0 rpg, 0.0 apg in 2.0 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Miller_Andre_den.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Artest_Ron_ind.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Lue_Tyronn_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
9.6 ppg, 1.5 rpg, 2.8 apg in 23.7 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: +15.2 ppg, +1.4 rpg, and -3.2 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=500 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_bl>Seattle Trade Breakdown</TD></TR><TR><TD class=body_bl_np width="100%"><TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Outgoing</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Lewis_Rashard_sea.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Rashard Lewis
6-10 SF from Alief Elsik (HS)
21.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.4 apg in 37.8 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_dt colSpan=2>Incoming</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Harrington_Al_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Al Harrington
6-9 SF from St. Patrick's (HS)
18.4 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 3.1 apg in 37.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Delk_Tony_atl.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Tony Delk
6-2 from Kentucky
No games yet played in 2005/06</TD></TR><TR><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=75>http://www3.realgm.com/images/nba/4.2/profiles/photos/2006/Miller_Andre_den.jpg</TD><TD class=tdpad vAlign=top width=425>Andre Miller
6-2 PG from Utah
13.8 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 8.2 apg in 35.6 minutes</TD></TR><TR><TD class=title_gr colSpan=2>Change in team outlook: +10.4 ppg, +7.1 rpg, and +8.9 apg.</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

I couldn't get RealGM to allow it (tho it IS possible), but what's missing is Reggie Evans & Ronald Murray from Seattle to Indiana.

Indiana gets from Seattle: Rashard Lewis, Reggie Evans, Ronald Murray

All the rest is good.

NPFII
12-20-2005, 11:12 AM
I wouldn't start drinking this early if I were you.

Early?! It's already 6 PM...

Shade
12-20-2005, 11:30 AM
Ummm...




































HELL NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!























That is all.

CableKC
12-20-2005, 11:54 AM
Wow....you came up with a 4 team trade and all we get back is 1 player?

You couldn't even figure out a way for us to get a PF of some sort?

Since86
12-20-2005, 02:28 PM
Wow....you came up with a 4 team trade and all we get back is 1 player?

You couldn't even figure out a way for us to get a PF of some sort?


I couldn't get RealGM to allow it (tho it IS possible), but what's missing is Reggie Evans & Ronald Murray from Seattle to Indiana.

Indiana gets from Seattle: Rashard Lewis, Reggie Evans, Ronald Murray

;) ;)

Ultimate Frisbee
12-20-2005, 03:26 PM
Actually it is pretty impressive... it is cool that all 3 teams except the Pacers would probably do the trade...

NPFII
12-21-2005, 09:57 AM
Wow....you came up with a 4 team trade and all we get back is 1 player?

You couldn't even figure out a way for us to get a PF of some sort?

I think you missed the bottom line -
We get back Shard, Flip & Reggie Evans - that's 3 (three) players.

SoThenRobbieSaid
12-21-2005, 07:01 PM
Doesn't Flip have a no-trade clause in his contract?

CableKC
12-21-2005, 07:14 PM
I think you missed the bottom line -
We get back Shard, Flip & Reggie Evans - that's 3 (three) players.

Yep...I did....ok...if we get Shard/Evans and Flip...then I'm cool with it. But I doubt Denver would give up Andre just to get back Tyronne Lue...they would be running the shortest PG rotation in history.

NPFII
12-21-2005, 10:03 PM
Yep...I did....ok...if we get Shard/Evans and Flip...then I'm cool with it. But I doubt Denver would give up Andre just to get back Tyronne Lue...they would be running the shortest PG rotation in history.

Ah yes, but they do get Ron for Nene, and they still have the mighty- powerful-druelled-over-on-PD Earl Watson.

Look at it as Ron for Andre, and Lue for an injured player with an expiring contract.

Watson/Melo/Ron/KMart/Camby

or

Andre/Lenard/Melo/KMart/Camby


seems fair to me...

CableKC
12-22-2005, 01:30 AM
^^^Still.....the Nuggets would have a very short PG rotation....which may cause defensive problems at the PG spot against bigger guards.

NPFII
12-22-2005, 11:00 AM
^^^Still.....the Nuggets would have a very short PG rotation....which may cause defensive problems at the PG spot against bigger guards.

I've been hearing that the Nuggets want to go more uptempo, and aren't that satisfied with Andre Miller, especially on the defensive end. They're also not a very good defensive team in the first place.

Here they get to go with a faster lineup with Earl, and they get a defensive presence in Ron, and they get Melo to play the 2 - which is a more natural spot for him. Melo's also a better fit to guard those bigger guards you're mentioning.

And the best part is that they get rid of Lenard from the lineup, cause he's really stinking it up over there...

Just my 2C.

Diesel_81
12-22-2005, 11:55 PM
Actually its not that bad a deal at all for any team. If were going to get an all star caliber player for Ron were going to have to include somebody like Tinsley or Jackson. In this scenario we give up both of them. Steven Jackson is no big loss.Your never going to win a title with Steven Jackson as your second option and we know hes not a good fit as a 3rd option because hes a high volume shooter and if he's not shooting the ball or involved in the offense his whole game suffers. Tinsley hurts to loose because when hes playing well hes one of the best pgs in the league but we hardly ever get that Tinsley because hes always out. By doing this trade you now get a second star to build around in Rahard Lewis and you can have a starting lineup that looks similar to this

pg- Saras / AJ
Sg- Granger/F.Jones/Murry
Sf- R. Lewis/Evans
PF-Oneal/Croshere
C- Foster/Pollard/Harrison

BlueNGold
12-23-2005, 12:24 PM
It cuts the cancer out, but too much talent IMO. Also, Granger should be our SF playing at least some under the bucket blocking shots and rebounding...not guarding on the perimeter the majority of the time.

Tins is worth hanging onto, I think. I would rather trade Ron and Jax for a SG upgrade. Then, I think we see improvement. BTW, it will be tough to get a better SG than Jax. There are many out there, but not available.

NPFII
12-25-2005, 09:34 AM
Actually its not that bad a deal at all for any team. If were going to get an all star caliber player for Ron were going to have to include somebody like Tinsley or Jackson. In this scenario we give up both of them. Steven Jackson is no big loss.Your never going to win a title with Steven Jackson as your second option and we know hes not a good fit as a 3rd option because hes a high volume shooter and if he's not shooting the ball or involved in the offense his whole game suffers. Tinsley hurts to loose because when hes playing well hes one of the best pgs in the league but we hardly ever get that Tinsley because hes always out. By doing this trade you now get a second star to build around in Rahard Lewis and you can have a starting lineup that looks similar to this

pg- Saras / AJ
Sg- Granger/F.Jones/Murry
Sf- R. Lewis/Evans
PF-Oneal/Croshere
C- Foster/Pollard/Harrison

Actually, I thought more on the lines of:

PG: Saras/AJ
SG: Flip/Freddie
SF: Lewis/Granger
PF: Croshere/Evans/Granger
C: ONeal/Foster/Pollard/Harrison

Starters: Saras/Flip/Lewis/Croshere/ONeal
Guards off the bench (in order): Freddie/AJ
Swingmen off the bench (in order): Granger/Freddie
PF/C off the bench (in order): Evans/Foster/Granger/Pollard/Harrison

There are too many bigs on this lineup, but that's never a problem in this league. Trading a big like Pollard or Harrison for a decent swingman is easy. OTOH having a lot of bigs in a conference with Shaq cant hurt anyway.