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Slick Pinkham
12-19-2005, 11:50 AM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-whitley1905dec19,0,210671.column?coll=orl-magic

Hill for Artest? It's not as crazy as you'd think
David Whitley
SPORTS COMMENTARY

December 19, 2005

Want to hear something crazy? The Magic are considering trading Grant Hill for Ron Artest.

OK, they actually only considered it for about 2.8 seconds on Sunday.

That was how long it took Assistant General Manager Otis Smith to stop chuckling at the thought of trading the Comeback Player of the Year for the Go-Away Player of the Year.

"We're both problem children," Hill joked.

The difference is Hill's problems have required crutches. Artest's have required a straitjacket. That said, guess who called Indiana to see if they could work out some kind of deal?

"You have to inquire about a player of that caliber," Smith said.

You certainly do, no matter how insane it seems.

The mere mention of the phrase "Artest" is enough to make most people break out a crucifix. He is the NBA's Sling Blade. One minute, he's sweetly and innocently eating french-fried potatoes. The next, he's chopping off his team's head with a lawn mower blade.

It wasn't enough that he made the entire NBA look like a 50 Cent video last year. The Pacers stood by him, and he has repaid them by sabotaging another season. He said he can't function under Coach Rick Carlisle and demanded a trade. Now he says he wants to stay. The Pacers just want to get rid of Artest before Jermaine O'Neal throws a beer at him.

If the sports world were sane, prospective employers would look at Artest and see a tsunami of trouble. Instead, they envision long, happy walks on the beach.

"We all think a change of address is good," Smith said. "We all think getting around our guys and putting our staff around him will make the difference."

We all think anyone is nuts for thinking that, but it's a bottom-line business. And the bottom line is Artest is one of the league's best players.

As nice as it might be to get sanctimonious and say, "We'd never take that bum," the fact is a general manager isn't doing his job unless he at least inquires.

About 20 teams have done so with Artest. They know fans initially will act as if the team just imported a 6-foot-7 Vietnamese chicken infected with the avian flu. But as soon as Artest shuts down LeBron James, fans will love him.

Sometimes a change of scenery helps (see: Rasheed Wallace, Corey Dillon). But some head cases carry their issues wherever they go (Larry Brown, a certain Philadelphia Eagles receiver, Sling Blade).

Artest's fate is predictable. He'll get a new team, he'll work hard and everybody will sing redemptive praises. But sooner or later, the time bomb will explode. Even with that, Artest is worth acquiring if your franchise is out of alignment.

Teams such as Detroit and San Antonio don't need the disruption. Teams such as the Knicks and Lakers have no chemistry to lose. Teams such as the Magic have to be pragmatic.

If you can get Artest for 50 cents on the dollar and he behaves for a couple of seasons, it's worth the gamble. Wouldn't you trade Hedo Turkoglu for Artest and a psychiatrist to be named later?

And though the contracts make it almost impossible, what about a 26-year-old small forward entering his prime for a 33-year-old small forward who sadly limped through much of his?

Put away the pitchforks, it'll never happen. But as much as Artest deserves to be banished for another season, teams would be nuts not to try to pick him up.

Then they'd really be crazy to think it's going to last.

David Whitley can be reached at dwhitley@orlandosentinel.com.

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Love the sling blade reference.

Didn't there use to be an absolute moron poster named David_Whitley on here

Hicks
12-19-2005, 11:53 AM
Total tease article.

Frank Slade
12-19-2005, 11:56 AM
Total tease article.

:tsk:

Tell me about it...

317Kim
12-19-2005, 12:00 PM
:rolleyes: " But as soon as Artest shuts down LeBron James, fans will love him."

SycamoreKen
12-19-2005, 12:01 PM
[url] They know fans initially will act as if the team just imported a 6-foot-7 Vietnamese chicken infected with the avian flu.

I liked this line.

Naptown Seth
12-19-2005, 12:01 PM
Name: Grant Hill
Age: 33
Games Played The Past 5 Years:
00-01: 4/82
01-02: 14/82
02-03: 29/82
04-05: 67/82
05-06: 2/21
Total: 116/349
Percent: 33.2%


NEXT!

Reggie4Three
12-19-2005, 12:05 PM
We need Hill to take Bender's place on IR.

Naptown Seth
12-19-2005, 12:12 PM
His career stats look pretty good. I'm all for it.
Hill, in his prime was arguably the best player in the league not named Shaquille O'Neal or Michael Jordan. He was "King" before LeBron. However he's now (literally) on his last leg. He could retire any month now. Remember, Walsh has stated he's in the market for young talented players. He never said constantly injured over the hill hasbeens.

indygeezer
12-19-2005, 12:12 PM
Wait!!

Look at the name in the article By-line.....does that look eerily familiar?

Slick Pinkham
12-19-2005, 12:14 PM
Didn't there use to be an absolute moron poster named David_Whitley on here

remember him?

Reggie4Three
12-19-2005, 12:19 PM
"Artest's fate is predictable. He'll get a new team, he'll work hard and everybody will sing redemptive praises. But sooner or later, the time bomb will explode. Even with that, Artest is worth acquiring if your franchise is out of alignment.

Teams such as Detroit and San Antonio don't need the disruption. Teams such as the Knicks and Lakers have no chemistry to lose. Teams such as the Magic have to be pragmatic."

I think this is the best couple of paragraphs I've read regarding the Ron Artest situation. I literally laugh out loud when I hear a team like the Hawks doesn't want Artest. If I'm a GM and my team isn't one of the top 4 teams in my conference, I've got to take a long, hard look at Artest. When he's on the court, he's going to make your team much better. Yeah, I know, it's a huge risk that he can stay on the court for an entire season. But if you're the Knicks, Hawks, Nets, Lakers, or Magic, what exactly are you risking? The potential gains are great and if you're the Net or Lakers you're risking at most a low playoff seed and first round exit without him.

Like the writer alluded to, nobody will have a kind word for Artest until he goes to his new team and shuts down Kobe, Pierce, Lebron, or McGrady while dropping 25 and helping his new team win a game. If I'm a GM of a bad or mediocre team, and you can get Artest without giving up your core players, I have think that's a risk I'm willing to take because I don't have much to lose.

indygeezer
12-19-2005, 12:21 PM
remember him?


He still shows up on the RATS board from T2T.

Chauncey
12-19-2005, 12:43 PM
Not the same guy. 100% positive of that.

Slick Pinkham
12-19-2005, 12:57 PM
Yeah, David_Whitley, or maybe it was David_Whiteley, was an absolute numbskull who freely admitted that he never watched the games but was just consumed with making idiotic trade proposals. He seemed to only post in the summer.

He would be incapable of writing complete paragraphs for any newspaper, except for maybe Bloomington's Indiana Daily Student.

sixthman
12-19-2005, 02:32 PM
Doesn't the columnist have the same name as a poster infamous for his summer trade ideas?

naptownmenace
12-19-2005, 02:39 PM
Doesn't the columnist have the same name as a poster infamous for his summer trade ideas?


I couldn't even get past the byline to read the article. As a matter of fact, I think I'll just skip it altogether, out of GP.

Unclebuck
12-19-2005, 02:44 PM
Yeah, David_Whitley, or maybe it was David_Whiteley, was an absolute numbskull who freely admitted that he never watched the games but was just consumed with making idiotic trade proposals. He seemed to only post in the summer.

He would be incapable of writing complete paragraphs for any newspaper, except for maybe Bloomington's Indiana Daily Student.



wasn't he the guy who had someone send him tapes of all the games and he watched them several months later. I think he said he was a teacher

skyfire
12-19-2005, 06:58 PM
I mentioned Grant Hill in another trade thread. If he could stay even moderately healthy for the rest of his contract then Danny Granger would have had 2 of the best SFs in the game as tutors. He is a great character guy and I'd hardly call him 'on his last leg'. He returned from injury to be an allstar last season and put up 28 against the Mavs in his 2nd game back from the sports hernia which sidelined him to begin this season.

Ron + Pollard for Hill

I think the Magic would do it. They know that Franchise isn't really a franchise player and Dwight Howard probbly isn't ready yet to be the #1 option night in and night out. Ron and Howard might replace JO and Ron are the best forward combination in the NBA.

Tim
12-19-2005, 07:11 PM
wasn't he the guy who had someone send him tapes of all the games and he watched them several months later. I think he said he was a teacher

I was going to say Writerman, but he isn't a teacher.

Naptown Seth
12-19-2005, 07:18 PM
writerman is awesome. A true RealGM legend.

Anthem
12-19-2005, 07:42 PM
Yeah, it was writerman that had tapes sent to him.

Regardless, I don't see what the fascination is with getting a forward back. We've got Granger, and Steven Jackson seems to be playing better at SF than at SG. We should go after a big man or a shooting guard.

Mourning
12-19-2005, 07:44 PM
remember him?

:puke: