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Naptown Seth
12-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Is Ron Artest overrated? I know he's a great defender, but other then that, is there really anything he's "special" at? Offensively, he's talented, but nothing earth shaterring. He also seems to be selfish and doesn't get his teammates involved like he should. He's an average rebounder, isn't the greatest passer in the world. And then there's ofcourse the attitude issues.
I just think ever since "The Brawl" and Ron went from being an NBA fans only favorite to a bit of a household name, he's increasingly become overrated.

Anyone agree with me?

Pacers#1Fan
12-18-2005, 11:37 AM
Ron is a great player but a failure as a human being. Since this poll is for his talent I had to say no, he isn't overrated.

Naptown Seth
12-18-2005, 11:52 AM
Now remember, just because someone's overrated doesn't mean they're not still a great player. There's a lot of overrated players in the NBA in my opinion, and the majority of them are very good players just not as good as they're made out to be. I feel Ron fits in this description. Remember, we took the Pistons to 6 games with Ron. We took the Pistons to 6 games without Ron. I'd love to see us get an Al Harrington type player, because I dont think the falloff will be near as drastic as some probably do. We'd have virtually no offensive slippage, and while our defense will slip a bit, we should also become a better rebounding team. And then ofcourse the biggy - the improved team chemistry.
God I just want a trade to happen soon. I've spent 80% of my waking hours here the past week. :(

ChicagoJ
12-18-2005, 01:11 PM
No. Ron's every bit as good of a player as his fans say he is.

What's significantly underrated - even today - is Ron's ability to destroy his team.

Jermaniac
12-18-2005, 01:13 PM
Ron Artest is a Hall of Famer at the end of his career, if he wasnt such a dumbass. The guy is easily a top 10 player in the NBA but too bad he is a idiot.

Naptown Seth
12-18-2005, 01:16 PM
Ron Artest is a Hall of Famer at the end of his career, if he wasnt such a dumbass. The guy is easily a top 10 player in the NBA but too bad he is a idiot.
I don't think he's a top-10 talent. He's not good enough anywhere outside of his defense to be considered a top-10 player. I'd go with top-15 maybe, but more like top-20.

Frank Slade
12-18-2005, 01:19 PM
This is an easy one.
There is a lot of overrated players in the NBA..

Artest is simply not one of them . . . . .

Julius Sour
12-18-2005, 02:36 PM
He's not overrated... He's good, no doubt. Maybe his basketbal IQ isn't so high on offence, but he can knock-out like 2 - 3 players on his way to the rim - he's strong like an animal...

Naptown Seth, what this banner You have as Your signature is about?

JS

Unclebuck
12-18-2005, 02:38 PM
Is Ron Artest overrated? I know he's a great defender, but other then that, is there really anything he's "special" at? Offensively, he's talented, but nothing earth shaterring. He also seems to be selfish and doesn't get his teammates involved like he should. He's an average rebounder, isn't the greatest passer in the world. And then there's ofcourse the attitude issues.
I just think ever since "The Brawl" and Ron went from being an NBA fans only favorite to a bit of a household name, he's increasingly become overrated.

Anyone agree with me?


You see, but are unable to believe.

If Ron had a "perfect attitude" and no baggage what-so-ever, he'd be in the top 5 as far as trade value goes. Ahead of players such as T-Mac, Pierce, Iverson, Kobe. He'd only be behind KG, TD, Bron, and maybe Wade.

timid
12-18-2005, 02:42 PM
He's not overrated. The guy only has 2 offensive weaknesses IMO. His shot selection and his passing....

Pacersfan46
12-18-2005, 02:44 PM
Dumb question, if you ask me, and you did.

Harmonica
12-18-2005, 02:56 PM
You see, but are unable to believe.

If Ron had a "perfect attitude" and no baggage what-so-ever, he'd be in the top 5 as far as trade value goes. Ahead of players such as T-Mac, Pierce, Iverson, Kobe. He'd only be behind KG, TD, Bron, and maybe Wade.

I agree. Ron could have been a hall-of-famer as Jermaniac pointed out...if he wasn't such a bonehead. It's pretty sad, actually.

3Ball
12-18-2005, 03:24 PM
Talent-wise, he's underrated. He is a moron, but he's right about one thing: if he was the focal point of some team's offense (and his hands could stay healthy), he would be putting up sick offensive numbers to go with his sick defense. I feel like he's probably going to be a flake the rest of his career, but is he did land with some coach and set of team mates that could keep him relatively under control (alla Rodman with Phil/Jordan), they'd be winning championships for the next decade. I don't think it will happen, mind you, but keep that man out of Cleveland.

Swingman
12-18-2005, 03:36 PM
If anything he is underrated because he is an instable human being. If he could get himself into a mental hospital and fix his problems, then he'd be one of the best players in the NBA lol.

Naptown Seth
12-18-2005, 03:51 PM
You see, but are unable to believe.

If Ron had a "perfect attitude" and no baggage what-so-ever, he'd be in the top 5 as far as trade value goes. Ahead of players such as T-Mac, Pierce, Iverson, Kobe. He'd only be behind KG, TD, Bron, and maybe Wade.
I disagree with this 100% Ron is a better defender than any of the mentioned players ofcourse, but in every other aspectof the game these players are much better. Better scorers, better rebounders, better passers, better shooters.

You all are overrating Ron a good deal I.M.O.


Naptown Seth, what this banner You have as Your signature is about?

JS
It's the Pacers starting lineup and backup unit. When Ron is traded I'll update it :)

Pacersfan46
12-18-2005, 03:54 PM
I disagree with this 100% Ron is a better defender than any of the mentioned players ofcourse, but in every other aspectof the game these players are much better. Better scorers, better rebounders, better passers, better shooters.

You all are overrating Ron a good deal I.M.O.

We watch games, and the impact players have on them. You seem to memorize box scores, and stats.

I'm not shocked to hear you say that.

Kstat
12-18-2005, 03:57 PM
We watch games, and the impact players have on them. You seem to memorize box scores, and stats.

I'm not shocked to hear you say that.


Amen.

BlueNGold
12-18-2005, 05:26 PM
I think Ron is considered one of the best 15 players in the league. I don't think his skills are overrated at all.

He is not a spectacular offensive player, but he is arguably one of the top defenders in the league. He is in the top 25 in scoring, even with JO on the team....and even when his average of 19.4ppg seems a little low for him. I would put him in the top 5 in the league defensively and top 25 in scoring. That puts him at least at #15 overall, which is a fair guess.

BlueNGold
12-18-2005, 05:30 PM
We watch games, and the impact players have on them. You seem to memorize box scores, and stats.

I'm not shocked to hear you say that.
Ron does tend to raise the level of his play against the best players and more than often winds up outplaying them. Lebron is a good example. If Artest had a brain, I am not sure there is another SF I would want on my team.

Naptown Seth
12-18-2005, 05:35 PM
We watch games, and the impact players have on them. You seem to memorize box scores, and stats.

I'm not shocked to hear you say that.
Actually no, monkey boy. I probably watch more games than you.

I've watched nearly every game of Artest's Pacer career, and I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that.....

Artest is a great defender.
Artest is a very good scorer.
Artest is an average shooter.
Artest is an average rebounder.
Artest is an average passer.
Artest is an average ball handler.
The bigger the game becomes, the smaller Artest's game becomes. (See 2004 Eastern Conference Finals, if Artest plays his normal game Pacers sweep the Pistons)
Artest is very selfish offensively and puts his individual shot attempts before the team offese.

Add it up folks....Artest is a great player...but these top-5 claims are only made by idiot Pacer homers who think the NBA begins and ends in Indiana and just help further the fact that Artest is overrated.

As one of the biggest Artest fans here, and also as the most open-minded person here, I can honestly tell you Ron Artest is not better than the following players:
Paul Pierce, LeBron James, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady, Jermaine O'Neal, Elton Brand, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Waade, Shaquille O'Neal, Kevin Garnett, Allen Iverson, Steve Nash, Amare Stoudemire, or Tim Duncan.

Those are the top-14 players in the NBA, and that's undebatable.

The final spot in the top-15 comes down to the following 8 players:
Ron Artest, Carmelo Anthony, Baron Davis, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, Chris Bosh, Andrei Kirilenko, Gilbert Arenas


And at this point in time, I'm leaning towards Gilbert Arenas, who's become as good a scorer as anybody in the league.


BTW....the team's played .800 ball since Ron "God" Artest has been out. How well did the Rockets do when T-Mac was out? What about the Heat without Shaq? The Jazz without Kirilenko?


Your honor, I rest my case.

waxman
12-18-2005, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't say he's overrated.... I do think he and others have a slightly inflated perception of his skills.

On defense he's definately lock down...no question.

On offense.... he's not a good passer....has nearly zero team basketball I.Q.... subpar rebounder....and can be a turnover machine if you include bad shots as turnovers.

often these things are overlooked because of what he brings on the defensive end.

Pacersfan46
12-18-2005, 08:26 PM
I'm sorry Seth ... I'm sorry we're not all as intelligent as you. I'm sorry we're not as "open minded" as you. I'm sorry we're all idiot homers, because of your undeniable fact that Artest is overrated and how we just can't comprehend it .....

Do us all a favor, get over yourself.

Got to be kidding me.

sweabs
12-18-2005, 08:33 PM
What's a monkey boy?

larry
12-18-2005, 09:23 PM
i used 2 cringe when he put up 3s. and he was the worst passer. still kobe/ron would be alot like mike/pippen. artest doesnt need 2 couldnt carry a team. l.a. would be rons best fit. odom is a downgrade 4 us tho. ginoblia is top 15 & a few pistons 2. i voted OVERrated.

SjA3837
12-18-2005, 09:52 PM
Every Pacer is overrated by Pacer fans, every Heat player if overrated by Heat fans. There are exceptions though... I don't think any of us overrate Eddie Gill. :shakehead


Most people will show some homerism, even if it's just a little.