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Frank Slade
12-16-2005, 11:26 AM
Mods if you think this one needs to be merged with the other story please do.

I posted this. As NY times more reliable. Article from today, and its' more specific.




December 16, 2005
Inconsistent, Nets Ponder Making Bid for Artest
By JOHN ELIGON
EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J., Dec. 15 -

The Nets placed a call to the Indiana Pacers on Thursday, their first official expression of interest in forward Ron Artest.
But the Nets would not say how intensely they plan to pursue Artest, who demanded a trade earlier this week. Rod Thorn, the Nets' president, described his talks with the Pacers as a "fact-finding" conversation.

"Any time that there's a player out there who is a great player, one of the better players in the league, there's always interest," Thorn said in a telephone interview.

Thorn said he believed that more than 20 teams had contacted the Pacers about Artest. But the Nets have an advantage over many other clubs in that they could afford to trade a star, Vince Carter, and possibly still improve as a team. The loss of Carter could be mitigated by the presence of Richard Jefferson, who can be just as dangerous offensively. Artest could bring a defensive toughness that is not Carter's strength.

The call to the Pacers on Thursday was just one of many that Thorn made on what was the de facto start of the trade season. All trade restrictions have been lifted, with teams now eligible to deal players they signed in the off-season.

For Thorn, Thursday meant there was a lot of work to do.

After the Nets (9-12) endured an embarrassing 91-83 loss at home to the Charlotte Bobcats on Wednesday night, their third consecutive defeat, it became apparent that Thorn would intensify his efforts to bolster his underachieving team.

Thorn said he had been busier "than normal in both fielding and placing calls."

Several Nets could be on the trading block, including Marc Jackson and Jeff McInnis, both off-season acquisitions who have not seemed pleased with their roles on the team. The reserve guard Zoran Planinic, who was on the inactive list Wednesday night for the first time this season, may also be a candidate to be traded.

Coach Lawrence Frank held Jackson and McInnis out of the lineup against the Bobcats, and after the game Jackson said, "If the coach don't believe I can help the team, then let me go some place where I can help the team."

Planinic's agent, Marc Cornstein, expressed a similar sentiment about his client on Thursday. He said he has had several conversations with Nets management in recent days, but he still does not understand why Planinic has been given limited playing time.

"You may not always agree, but typically you can understand why a player is, or is not, getting the minutes they are," Cornstein said in a telephone interview. "I certainly would not be shocked if Zoran is packaged in a trade."Thorn apparently made an effort Thursday to reach out to the entire team in a meeting before practice.

"He was just speaking to being committed to the team and support your fellow teammates, which I think everybody does," Jackson said.

Thorn expressed his continued confidence in Frank.

"To me, our coach is as prepared as anybody," Thorn said. "I think the coach is doing a good job, so I don't have any problem with our coach."

Earlier in the season, the Nets had expressed a desire to upgrade the roster with an athletic power forward.

Now, it seems, the Nets are in search of anyone who could help them become consistent. They have been especially up-and-down on defense, and they have been burned by several swift perimeter scorers this season, including Michael Redd, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Allen Iverson and Richard Hamilton.

To that end, Artest, who is widely considered the best one-on-one perimeter defender in the N.B.A., could be just what the Nets need.

Artest is set to make about $6.5 million this season, and Carter will make about $13.8 million. If the teams agreed to a trade involving those players, the Pacers might also have to send the Nets another player, perhaps power forward Austin Croshere, who will make about $8.9 million this year, to make the salaries match. The Nets could also include either Lamond Murray or Scott Padgett, forwards signed through free agency last summer, in a deal.

Jefferson, who will make about $10.2 million this season, would be difficult to trade because of his contract structure.

Though the Nets fancy Artest's talent, they realize that they must consider his behavior. He was suspended for most of last season after charging into the stands during a game with the Pistons.

"If you're interested in him, I think that's the first thing," Thorn said earlier in the week.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/16/sports/basketball/16nets.html?pagewanted=print

Frank Slade
12-16-2005, 11:32 AM
One thing I was thinking last night, that the Nets can provide is.. NYC..
They may feel that Ron won't skip out on them in two years..

A Subway ride away...
Plus they are moving to Brooklyn..
Jay-z is a minority owner... he may want to help Ron with other career ;)

indygeezer
12-16-2005, 11:35 AM
They have nobody I'm interested in.

Naptown Seth
12-16-2005, 11:41 AM
One thing I was thinking last night, that the Nets can provide is.. NYC..
They may feel that Ron won't skip out on them in two years..

A Subway ride away...
Plus they are moving to Brooklyn..
Jay-z is a minority owner... he may want to help Ron with other career ;)
Those are actually good points. I'm not familiar with the whole Nets moving situation. When are they scheduled to move? And how far from Brooklyn did Ron grow up? I could see Ron being ok with a deal to the Nets, and I could see Donnie being ok with Carter, Jefferson, or Krstic and a 1st. Maybe even Jamaal Tinsley could be included, since Kidd is againg in a hurry, the Nets have no forseeable replacement, and as a Brooklyn native, he would surely help with interest in the team.

Ragnar
12-16-2005, 11:57 AM
I would feel so bad for Cro if he went with Ron.

He has been through so much here, he has his confidence back and is playing great (actually earning that money he is making) and poof off the NJ with Ron.

Doug in CO
12-16-2005, 11:57 AM
Richard Jefferson would be better than Vince - character guy

Gamble
12-16-2005, 12:07 PM
I would want Vince and give them pollard. Austin deserves to stay.

Frank Slade
12-16-2005, 12:11 PM
Those are actually good points. I'm not familiar with the whole Nets moving situation. When are they scheduled to move? And how far from Brooklyn did Ron grow up? I could see Ron being ok with a deal to the Nets, and I could see Donnie being ok with Carter, Jefferson, or Krstic and a 1st. Maybe even Jamaal Tinsley could be included, since Kidd is againg in a hurry, the Nets have no forseeable replacement, and as a Brooklyn native, he would surely help with interest in the team.

The move to Brooklyn I guess is not a done deal yet but has been talked about for awhile..
here has been debate on both sides..etc..

Of course Ron is from Queensbridge . I am not sure I beleive that neigbhorhood is just within or just outside the brooklyn area..

marcd
12-16-2005, 12:12 PM
Does anybody know if we can trade Bender's contract and then he announce his retirement after being traded? Not sure if it is even possible, but Artest/Bender for Carter works salary wise.

Just speculation...I really wish something would happen soon.

MarcD

scar
12-16-2005, 12:32 PM
I'd be very happy to have VC on the Pacers. I think he'd give us a scorer and allow us to stay contenders.

ChicagoJ
12-16-2005, 12:34 PM
Too bad - I'd like RJ. I don't want anything to do with Vince "Charmin" Carter.

I love the line,

"Artest could bring a defensive toughness that is not Carter's strength."

That is - I'm sure - the only time anyone has ever used "defensive toughness" and "Carter" in the same sentence.

Frank Slade
12-16-2005, 12:43 PM
Yeah I think it makes it tough to trade for RJ , If I am not mistaken he just signed a large deal..

CableKC
12-16-2005, 12:45 PM
They have nobody I'm interested in.
Actually...the only player of interest is Nenad Krstic....he's gonna be a solid PF/C in the future.

Naptown Seth
12-16-2005, 12:52 PM
Actually...the only player of interest is Nenad Krstic....he's gonna be a solid PF/C in the future.
He's already a pretty solid big man. Avery talented offensive player, but he's a poor rebounder and he's got very questionable defense. Eddy Curry was ran down like a dog for those exact same reasons, yet Krstic gets nothing but love.

But with that said, his offensive game would be a nice compliment to JO, but losing Artest combined with playing a poor defense center a ton of minutes would wreck havoc on our defense which is why I really don't want anything to do with Krstic.

CableKC
12-16-2005, 01:08 PM
Oh...I'm not saying that he would be the only player that I would want back...I'm just saying that he is the only player of interest to me that I would want included in any deal. He's one of those players with "upside" that I would want in return.

Personally I wouldn't want to deal with the Nets for the same reason why we shouldn't deal anyone to Boston....cuz its likely that we will meet up with them in the Playoffs ( assuming we make it there ).

Slick Pinkham
12-16-2005, 01:14 PM
I've always considered Vince Carter to be one of the most overrated players in all of basketball. Nice dunks don't equate with great basketball contributions.

But if Rashard Lewis is NOT REALLY available, and neither is Odom, and neither is Al, then Vince would be a huge step above some of the guys mentioned like MoPete, Antoine Walker, Mike Dunleavy, etc, overrated or not. He's probably a step above Peja too.

His resurgence in NJ is surprising to me, though part of the reason is that he was dogging it in Toronto, and THAT is disturbing.

Julius Sour
12-16-2005, 01:35 PM
Vince and Saras duo would explosive and highflyin... aley... oop... boom

Js

Rytas_Jega
12-16-2005, 02:07 PM
Vince and Saras duo would explosive and highflyin... aley... oop... boom

Js

Yeah it would be nice to see Saras in NBA video clips.

And there again nobody gives a technical knockout win for 5 alleyoop dunks.

Julius Sour
12-16-2005, 02:24 PM
VC can sprint, Saras has almost perfect 1st pass. That could also be a step towards this
"technical knockout win".

Js