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cracktower
12-15-2005, 03:25 PM
Losing Ron Artest would not be such a big loss, if we could package one of our bad contracts( Croshere) for an expiring contract and some young talent.

Next year we would have expiring contracts of Pollard(5.7 mil), Bender(6.5 mil), Gill(min)and whoever that comes in the trade( E.g Antonio Davis 12.9 mil )

If we add the figure up, that is 25 mil coming off the books next season.
Our current total salary is $65 mil and if we minus 25 mil that leaves our total salary at $40 mil( that would be the second lowest salary total in the league even lower then Atlanta and only the BobCats have a lower salary total.:-o )

Even after all the salary we shed this offseason, we would still have our core players intact( team that went to the second round of the palyoffs) and enough salary cap to sign a Big name free agent( Peja, Al :) )

The more I think of the situation, the more I like it. Remember a few years back The suns traded away Marbury(so called super star) for basically an expiring contract of Antonio Mcdyess and a few scrubs and draft pick.

Knicks fan and the whole media was prasing Isiah Thomas for pulling a fast one at the Suns Expense, but the next off season they signed Nash a better player at a ceaper contract and Quenten Richardson and went to the conference final. The knicks on the other hand .........:D

cracktower
12-15-2005, 03:49 PM
Guys, I swear I am a loyal pacer fan and not a knicks fan in disguise:confused:

Think long term gains instead of short term solution.:)

blanket
12-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Not a bad idea, but I don't think getting below the salary cap is very important to DW. Getting below the cap allows you to throw a lot of money at big FAs, but 1) we already have a max player in JO and teams under the cap typically over pay for those marquee FAs, and 2) for whatever reason, free agency isn't how Pacers management builds their teams - instead working from the draft and trades.

Also, I'm not too impressed with next summer's crop of FAs.

It would be nice for a change, however, to not have to give up players like James Jones just because we can't afford to pay them $2-3M in fear of going further over the LT.

sixthman
12-15-2005, 04:11 PM
Our current total salary is $65 mil and if we minus 25 mil that leaves our total salary at $40 mil( that would be the second lowest salary total in the league even lower then Atlanta and only the BobCats have a lower salary total.:-o )

Our current team salary is a few bucks shy of 80 million. We'd still be over the cap, if we made ALL the trades you suggested.

sixthman
12-15-2005, 04:14 PM
INDIANA PACERS

Jermaine O'Neal $16.44 million
Austin Croshere $7.9 million
Johnathan Bender $7.17 million
Ron Artest $6.84 million
Scott Pollard $6.27 million
Stephen Jackson $5.61 million
Jamaal Tinsley $5.4 million
Jeff Foster $5 million
Sarunas Jasikevicius $4 million
Anthony Johnson $2.42 million
Fred Jones $2.32 million
Danny Granger $1.31 million
David Harrison $898,200
Eddie Gill $835,810
Samaki Walker $719,373
Other $6.127 million

Total $79.260 million

See any salary you disagree with? These came from the Dallas columnist, David Moore, who somehow gets this information from the league.

Slick Pinkham
12-15-2005, 04:20 PM
http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana.htm

If you do delete the salaries of Croshere, Bender, and Artest from next year's column it would drop to 44.2 million or so for the 9 remaining players. You'd have to get nothing but expiring contracts in trading Ron/Cro and get 100% relief from Bender's salary. I don't think that retirement gives 100% relief from $$ counted toward the cap.

The cost of 5-6 more guys would drive them over the cap (48?) unless they were all rookies.

Hopefully this team is not going that route.

Peck
12-15-2005, 04:49 PM
Atlanta, Chicago, Denver & New Orleans are all teams that have tried & failed at the "let's drop below the cap & get some free agents" game.

Indiana has never EVER been the choice location of free agents. You could almost argue that Saras is the first big name (In Europe at least) free agent that has ever just signed here without first being traded here.

I am absolutely opposed to just salary dumps. It never works.

sixthman
12-15-2005, 04:57 PM
Atlanta, Chicago, Denver & New Orleans are all teams that have tried & failed at the "let's drop below the cap & get some free agents" game.

Actually the best two teams in the league, San Antonio and Detroit, both put their current teams together by going below the cap and using their cap space wise.

Mourning
12-15-2005, 05:19 PM
Atlanta, Chicago, Denver & New Orleans are all teams that have tried & failed at the "let's drop below the cap & get some free agents" game.

Indiana has never EVER been the choice location of free agents. You could almost argue that Saras is the first big name (In Europe at least) free agent that has ever just signed here without first being traded here.

I am absolutely opposed to just salary dumps. It never works.

Aggreed! Though SA has been pretty succesfull at it and I wouldn't say Denver was a total failure just yet. They just have to tweak a little IMO.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

blanket
12-15-2005, 05:31 PM
INDIANA PACERS

Jermaine O'Neal $16.44 million
Austin Croshere $7.9 million
Johnathan Bender $7.17 million
Ron Artest $6.84 million
Scott Pollard $6.27 million
Stephen Jackson $5.61 million
Jamaal Tinsley $5.4 million
Jeff Foster $5 million
Sarunas Jasikevicius $4 million
Anthony Johnson $2.42 million
Fred Jones $2.32 million
Danny Granger $1.31 million
David Harrison $898,200
Eddie Gill $835,810
Samaki Walker $719,373
Other $6.127 million

Total $79.260 million

See any salary you disagree with? These came from the Dallas columnist, David Moore, who somehow gets this information from the league.


Do you have a URL for this? Does he have salaries for other NBA teams, too?

Slick Pinkham
12-15-2005, 05:34 PM
Do you have a URL for this? Does he have salaries for other NBA teams, too?

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http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/indiana.htm

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