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unstandable
12-15-2005, 01:36 AM
LA HOOPS: Artest Not Likely

By Eric Pincus

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_15351.shtml

The Los Angeles Lakers are very interested in Pacer small forward Ron Artest, despite the fact that he would alter the 2007 plan. Artest's contract expires the summer of 2008, assuming he uses his early termination option as expected. There are very few players the Lakers would make a mid-season trade for and Artest is one of them.

Unfortunately, a number of sources have verified that Indiana is not interested in a package centered on Chris Mihm.

It's not clear if the Lakers offered Kwame Brown or if the Pacers would be open to the idea, but the consensus seems to be that the Lakers are reliant on a third's team participation if they're to have any chance at Artest.

Although possible, three-team deals are tough to deliver. The Lakers have a few leads and are hopeful, but it wouldn't seem like there's any reason for optimism.

Don't be surprised to see the New York Knicks pull off a blockbuster to bring Artest to the Big Apple . . .

Rumored Offers (fill in players may be needed in some of the deals to balance contracts)

New York: Stephon Marbury, Trevor Ariza, Antonio Davis and the San Antonio pick for Artest, Jamaal Tinsley and a Pacer big man or two (Austin Croshere, Scot Pollard, Jonathan Bender's contract, etc).

Atlanta: Al Harrington and Josh Childress

Toronto: Joey Graham, Morris Peterson and Raphael Araujo

There are number of other deals being floated and certainly the rumor mill is never 100%, but clearly the Lakers are not the only team trying to land the former defensive player of the year.

SoupIsGood
12-15-2005, 01:38 AM
Well, these trades would suggest Ron has some value left.... the ATL one would be a freaking steal.

NZPacer
12-15-2005, 01:40 AM
Graham and Mo Pete isn't the worst artest trade idea i've heard either.

Not to keen on that Knicks trade tho

Diesel_81
12-15-2005, 01:45 AM
This is a safe trade . Al Harrington and Josh Childress are both good guys and we know Harrington is a very good player. Im not crazy about Childress but he is a good defender. I have a feeling this isn't going to happen though. They already have a ton of small forwards plus they drafted a small forward with a ton of potential #2 in the draft.

Like I said in another thread I have a feeling we are going to rebuild this team and I believe guys like Tinsley and Jackson will be on their way out as well.

sig
12-15-2005, 01:49 AM
ESPN last night said the Nets are likely now open to trading Kidd even though they are not shopping him. Tinsley, Artest and Pollard for Kidd?

Realistically, Childress and Al sounds pretty good.

unstandable
12-15-2005, 02:24 AM
The author of that column seems to think the NY deal could be happening:

http://www.clublakers.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=948312&highlight=#948312

I can't speak for Thomas - but that's the rumor I've heard from a New York source has has been right on time after time.

1) Told me all about Curry to NY prior.
2) Told me JYD would be waived instead of Houston.
3) Told me Houston was retiring.
4) Told me about Larry Brown coming.
5) Told me something else that didn't happen . . .

4 out of 5 so far - this will either be 5 of 6 - or 4 of 6 - it's that simple.

I've also heard from a couple of other sources that NY is in serious talks but they're not aware of the pieces in play.

Unclebuck
12-15-2005, 06:02 AM
Would the Pacers take a chance on Marbury.

317Kim
12-15-2005, 06:11 AM
The Knicks trade is a waaaay to risky for me . Putting Tins in there is bad enough, but Cro too!?? nehhh, I'll pass! NEXT! (please let Al and Josh be next :pray:)

Eindar
12-15-2005, 08:15 AM
The problem with trading with Atlanta, is that we absolutely have to give them a big man back. They are paper thin at the PF/C position, and losing Al might actually put John Edwards in the starting lineup....

Will Galen
12-15-2005, 08:25 AM
The problem with trading with Atlanta, is that we absolutely have to give them a big man back. They are paper thin at the PF/C position, and losing Al might actually put John Edwards in the starting lineup....

In the pre-season they were waiting on the Pacers to release Walker.

BlueNGold
12-15-2005, 09:12 AM
Would the Pacers take a chance on Marbury.

I hope not. I would rather have Tinsley. I think Marbury would create problems.

RSmits
12-15-2005, 10:16 AM
I was eating breakfast while reading this thread and nearly threw up in my Cheerios when I saw Marbury in there.

I live in NYC and watch him play all the time. No way. No way.

Ragnar
12-15-2005, 11:00 AM
Would the Pacers take a chance on Marbury.

They might I wont. If Marbury ever wears a Pacer uniform I am done as a Pacer fan (Untill he is gone). There is no way I can watch a team with him as the point guard. I supose it might be fun to watch Jermaine strangle him after a week or so but I doubt it.

indygeezer
12-15-2005, 11:03 AM
They might I wont. If Marbury ever wears a Pacer uniform I am done as a Pacer fan (Untill he is gone). There is no way I can watch a team with him as the point guard. I supose it might be fun to watch Jermaine strangle him after a week or so but I doubt it.


NO NO!! JO already has a misdemeanor assault conviction...we don't want another. He'd end up bunking with Bubba.

fwpacerfan
12-15-2005, 11:38 AM
Do the Atlanta deal!

I think I heard the Boston broadcasters last night say that the Pacers had 16 offers on the table.

317Kim
12-15-2005, 11:51 AM
fw, your avatar is well..disturbing..:laugh:

I still like Al and Josh. but today in study hall Sports Center claims we're gettin Ray Allen

beast23
12-15-2005, 11:59 AM
The Knick trade as stated includes Marbury, Antonio and Ariza. That's about $30M in contracts. The Pacers would have to add all of the players mentioned (Artest, Tinsley, Bender, Croshere and Pollard) and the trade exception to balance the trade.

I think the rumor is BS. No way can we give away so many forwards and centers and only get AD back in return, who is on the last year of his contract. Marbury also has a contract larger than JO's for another 3-4 years.

If AD walks after the season and we are left with only Marbury and Ariza.

Does this sound like a reasonable trade to you?

RSmits
12-15-2005, 12:05 PM
but today in study hall Sports Center claims we're gettin Ray Allen


????????????????? Expand, please.

317Kim
12-15-2005, 12:07 PM
Source is Rico but I dont know how much he really knows, says the TV was on ESPN SPORTS CENTER at lunch and that they mentioned Ron for Ray ... he left the class right now but as soon as he gets back in, I'll be sure to fill you guys in..trust me I'm just as lost as everyone else is.

317Kim
12-15-2005, 12:11 PM
wow, you know Rico too..? :-p

317Kim
12-15-2005, 12:17 PM
i was bein sarcastic..let me go back and edit with a smilie

microwave_oven
12-15-2005, 02:12 PM
Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
14.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 34.8 minutes
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Incoming
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.0 apg in 39.7 minutes
Change in team outlook: -9.1 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and -0.4 apg.


Seattle Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ray Allen
6-5 SG from Connecticut
24.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 4.0 apg in 39.7 minutes
Incoming
Stephen Jackson
6-8 SG from Oak Hill Academy (HS)
14.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 2.2 apg in 34.8 minutes
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: +9.1 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and +0.4 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana and Seattle being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Seattle had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


This trade also works with Jaamal instead of Jackson....??? Just speculating, doubt this would ever happen though.

unstandable
12-15-2005, 08:08 PM
I'm not sure why this thread got moved to this forum - the original article is not about a made up trade - it's about rumors of actual discussions. Anyways, here's the latest from the author:

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?p=297153&highlight=#297153

My latest news - though not entirely encouraging - is that LA's original offer was Mihm + George + Miami Pick for Artest and I believe Samaki Walker for salary balance.

It was rejected.

The Lakers have since - allegedly - offered Kwame straight up (not sure if the Miami pick is involved) - although Samaki could be part of that package too.

I hear the offer is being considered but is probably 5th out of the top 5 offers the Pacers have - and they're not sure yet which direction they'll go.

DisplacedKnick
12-15-2005, 11:32 PM
The more I think about this the more I think a Ron-for Harrington deal might happen. Atlanta's losing him after this season with no compensation anyway - unless they can work out an S&T. Why not get Artest and see what happens?

Believe_in_blue
12-15-2005, 11:45 PM
The more I think about this the more I think a Ron-for Harrington deal might happen. Atlanta's losing him after this season with no compensation anyway - unless they can work out an S&T. Why not get Artest and see what happens?
thats what i'm hoping for

larry
12-18-2005, 05:30 AM
if ray, i would rather keep tin than jack but like the dude w/ the tin game counter health plagues tin. i like ron & almost any1 4 kidd. to good 2 be true if we could get either.

aceace
12-18-2005, 02:20 PM
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Incoming

Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
6.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 20.1 minutes

Morris Peterson
6-7 SG from Michigan State
13.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 32.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +0.4 ppg, +2.9 rpg, and -0.2 apg.

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Joey Graham
6-7 SF from Oklahoma State
6.7 ppg, 3.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 20.1 minutes

Morris Peterson
6-7 SG from Michigan State
13.1 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 1.3 apg in 32.0 minutes
Incoming

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -0.4 ppg, -2.9 rpg, and +0.2 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.