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FiestyFosterFanatic
12-12-2005, 12:18 AM
What do we really need on this team? Assuming Jackson takes on the 3 spot, and it seems like Sarunas and AJ on the floor at the same time has been working well, what exactly do we need on this team? We have 4 centers, 2/3 good PF's, 2 good SF's, 1 good shooting guard and 1 decent shooting guard, and 3 good point guards...I really don't know what we need, can we trade him for draft picks?

cracktower
12-12-2005, 12:21 AM
Yes, we have good palyer but not great players. Thats what we need a second star behind o'neal.

you guys warming up to the Peja trade?

FiestyFosterFanatic
12-12-2005, 12:23 AM
I think we have that 2nd star, Stephen Jackson, the past 2 games, he has shown that he needs to be the 2nd option. We need just a role player. We have to throw someone in to make salaries match with Peja, who do we throw in? Definetly not Croshere, maybe Pollard?

Shade
12-12-2005, 12:36 AM
Ron for Al is starting to sound pretty good to me, if we can't net Odom. Assuming, of course, that Al would want to return.

Frank Slade
12-12-2005, 12:42 AM
Ron for Al is starting to sound pretty good to me, if we can't net Odom. Assuming, of course, that Al would want to return.

Right I think Al would work...

Now to be clear Jax will never be an All-star, he is sometimes a good 2nd or 3rd option but he is not the kind of guy you can count on to carry a team say if JO misses a game or two. Which is what a star would be expected to do,

Unclebuck
12-12-2005, 12:44 AM
Why would the Hawks want Artest. They have a very young and terrible team. That is not a good situation for Ron

Jermaniac
12-12-2005, 12:47 AM
Thats exactly why I want him down there, I want him on a terrible team.

cracktower
12-12-2005, 12:48 AM
Right I think Al would work...

Now to be clear Jax will never be an All-star, he is sometimes a good 2nd or 3rd option but he is not the kind of guy you can count on to carry a team say if JO misses a game or two. Which is what a star would be expected to do,

nither is Al

Hicks
12-12-2005, 12:50 AM
I'd be happy to get Al back for Ron.

Unclebuck
12-12-2005, 12:50 AM
Thats exactly why I want him down there, I want him on a terrible team.


The Hwaks don't want him. That is my point

Jermaniac
12-12-2005, 12:52 AM
I agree with you I doubt we will be able to get even Al for him now.

Kegboy
12-12-2005, 12:58 AM
Atlanta has 57 swingmen. They're not about to trade one of their big men (and a pseudo one, at that), for yet another one.

However, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a three-team trade with Atlanta involved.

TheHotShot31
12-12-2005, 01:00 AM
I don't know about you guys, but I much rather the Pacers go after Peja Stojakovic than Al Harrington.

PacerMan
12-12-2005, 01:07 AM
nither is Al


You would do well to go look at Al's stats during the time that Jermaine was out with injuries.

cracktower
12-12-2005, 02:26 AM
have found the perfect answer to our problem.
Artest and Bender to NewOrleans For P.J Brown and Desmond Mason

317Kim
12-12-2005, 07:01 AM
Ron suffers if he goes to the hawks or the hornets..are you guys purposely doing that :-p

Getting Al back wouldnt be so bad but the Peja thing is still not clickin for me..

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 03:58 PM
The good news:

I think we'll all be happy no matter who we get back for Ron-Ron :-)

denyfizle
12-12-2005, 04:16 PM
I say we banish Artest to Canada so he can completely lose his mind there. Package him with probably Jackson, Harrison and/or Tinsley and maybe we could snag Chris Bosh, Mo Pete and Mike James in return. Why would the Raptors do it? I don't know, but a franchise that would draft Araujo that high might just bite.

Mourning
12-12-2005, 04:19 PM
Package him with probably Jackson, Harrison and/or Tinsley and maybe we could snag Chris Bosh, Mo Pete and Mike James in return. Why would the Raptors do it? I don't know, but a franchise that would draft Araujo that high might just bite.

:lol:

pacerwaala
12-12-2005, 04:24 PM
ok guys - right now we are all a tad bit vulnerable because of Ron dumping us. And we are SETTLING for Al Harrington.

PLEASE NO! Did you forget how Al the blackhole used to hog the ball till about 2 secs left on the clock. Al is jsut not that good. Peja has lot more skills than Al, not even close.

Mourning
12-12-2005, 04:41 PM
ESPN 950 just mentioned K-Mart and Watson for a package including Artest ... sounds whacko to me. They need MORE not less power up front and Karl and Artest? I don't think so. Don't they also have this Carmelo kid, word he's not that bad either. IOW BS message to me, but who knows.

Kstat
12-12-2005, 04:52 PM
Bad idea for both sides. It would FORCE JO to play center, because KMart wont come off the bench. Earl watson=4th PG? TInsley would have to go in this deal too.

On one end, it would make the Pacers a very good frontline. However, they'd be undersized and injury-prone at both spots.

Denver: Carmello and Ron? who plays SG? Bad idea there too.

naptownmenace
12-12-2005, 05:19 PM
Here's the type of trade they can expect (all of these trades work under the CBA too):

1. Artest/Gill to Dallas for Jerry Stackhouse + future 1st rounder.

2. Ron Artest/Pollard to NY for Antonio Davis

3. Artest/Tinsley to Toronto for Mo Peterson/Mike James/Eric Williams

4. Artest/Gill to Sacramento for Bonzi Wells + draft pick (probably 2nd rounder)

5.Artest to New Orleans for PJ Brown + draft pick.

6. Artest to Portland for Darius Miles straight up.


These are the most realistic trade ideas I could come up with especially with Artest ruining much of this trade value.

My favorite is Darius Miles because he's having a breakout season and in the past mentioned that he would love to play for Indiana (when he was with Cleveland). His numbers are close to what Artest brings, he's young, and I think he would fit in well with the Pacers.

Mourning
12-12-2005, 05:23 PM
Plus, he's out for a number of months with a knee injury, so Tinsley would have a new BFF on the sidelines.

Don't you know ? Some think Stephen is a great 2nd option on offense and we didn't need Ron at all, so why would we miss his replacement? :rolleyes:

naptownmenace
12-12-2005, 05:24 PM
Plus, he's out for a number of months with a knee injury, so Tinsley would have a new BFF on the sidelines.


What are you serious? I'm shutting up now.

:disappoin

ilive4sports
12-12-2005, 06:25 PM
Alright, I have the best trade for us. It is a little farfetched but here it is. The salaries work too. Here we go.

Indiana trades
Ron Artest and John Bender to Boston
Jamaal Tinsley ot Houston

Houston trades
Tracy McGrady and Bob Sura to Indiana

Boston trades
Paul Pierce to Houston

Why for Indiana?
We would recieve T-Mac and do I have to explain him. Also we would get a solid bench player in Bob Sura who can play the 1 or 2 spot.

Why for Houston?
They finally get the PG that they need in Tinsley. Also they still will have the scorer in Pierce.

Why for Boston?
They recieve Ron ARtest who always out performs Pierce anyways and he would help with their defense. They also get an expiring contract in Bender since he is retiring( I saw it on the New York Post website but i can't find the link because the site the like was on is down now, but i will post it when i find it) so that will free up cap room for them so they can go big in FA to get someone like Ben Wallace.

This trade benefits every team. If this were to go down I think that all Pacers fans would love it. The hardest team to convince would be Boston, but they have to think about the future so they can get Ben Wallace or another big FA. What are your thoughts and opinions on it?

18to88
12-12-2005, 06:27 PM
No, I want to keep Tinsley

Houston wouldn't want Pierce over T-Mac

Mourning
12-12-2005, 06:29 PM
I think you need to update your sig picture :-p

ilive4sports
12-12-2005, 06:31 PM
Pierce is playing very well now and they would get the PG they need. I like Tinsley a lot too, but this trade would help us a lot. I think that Sarunas would do fine as the starting PG and if not put in Sura. I have another sig but i can't get to it because the site is down. You will like that one better.

BlueNGold
12-12-2005, 07:06 PM
That might work. Only question would be whether Boston would do that trade. They do want to get rid of Pierce, but do they really want Artest? I would think Houston would take Pierce and Tinsley for TMac. I think that is a good deal for Houston. It's a good deal for us, too.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 07:44 PM
That might work. Only question would be whether Boston would do that trade. They do want to get rid of Pierce, but do they really want Artest? I would think Houston would take Pierce and Tinsley for TMac. I think that is a good deal for Houston. It's a good deal for us, too.


RealGM says it doesn't work due to Tinsley's BYC1

Is there anything else we can give to Boston to even things out?

This works:

Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State

Scot Pollard
6-11 C from Kansas

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's

Incoming
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)

Change in team outlook: -8.5 ppg, -4.7 rpg, and -3.3 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas

Incoming
Scot Pollard
6-11 C from Kansas

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's

Change in team outlook: -3.9 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and -1.8 apg.


Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)

Incoming
Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State

Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas

Change in team outlook: +12.4 ppg, +5.1 rpg, and +5.1 apg.



This also works... and I would probably do it:


Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's

Scot Pollard
6-11 C from Kansas

Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State

Incoming
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas

Change in team outlook: -6.0 ppg, -3.3 rpg, and -3.7 apg.


Boston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Paul Pierce
6-6 SG from Kansas

Incoming
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)

Change in team outlook: -2.5 ppg, -1.4 rpg, and +0.4 apg.


Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Tracy McGrady
6-8 SF from Mount Zion Christian Academy (HS)

Incoming
Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's

Scot Pollard
6-11 C from Kansas

Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State

Change in team outlook: +8.5 ppg, +4.7 rpg, and +3.3 apg.



Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana, Boston, and Houston being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana, Boston, and Houston had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

aceace
12-12-2005, 08:40 PM
Ron and Freddie to Seattle for Rashad Lewis and Reggie Evans

Kegboy
12-12-2005, 10:54 PM
Here's the type of trade they can expect (all of these trades work under the CBA too):

1. Artest/Gill to Dallas for Jerry Stackhouse + future 1st rounder.

If Rick has any say in the matter, this is the trade.

2. Ron Artest/Pollard to NY for Antonio Davis

I think this is another good possibility

3. Artest/Tinsley to Toronto for Mo Peterson/Mike James/Eric Williams

I absolutely do not want to trade Jamaal, but this would be a very good trade. Mike James is a Rick Carlisle PG, plain and simple.

4. Artest/Gill to Sacramento for Bonzi Wells + draft pick (probably 2nd rounder)

Bonzi?! :thumbsdow

5.Artest to New Orleans for PJ Brown + draft pick.

Won't happen

6. Artest to Portland for Darius Miles straight up.

Eh. I think Larry's had his fill of HS'ers. Even one's many years removed.
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ilive4sports
12-12-2005, 10:59 PM
When i did it on realgm it worked for me. The reason i think Boston would do it is because they clear up some cap space. I still cant find the link but i did read it about Bender retiring. Imagine if this trade goes through and then Boston signs Ben Wallace with Artest. That would be funny.

Pacesetter
12-12-2005, 11:01 PM
I say we banish Artest to Canada so he can completely lose his mind there. Package him with probably Jackson, Harrison and/or Tinsley and maybe we could snag Chris Bosh, Mo Pete and Mike James in return. Why would the Raptors do it? I don't know, but a franchise that would draft Araujo that high might just bite.

:chuckle: