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Ultimate Frisbee
12-11-2005, 07:22 PM
Obviously, very few of these trades work straight up, so additional players/considerations would need to be included.

EDIT: Note that these are NOT straight up trades and some of the weaker trades would consist of many more players...


Atlanta:

Josh Smith (really take your pick of underacheiving SG/SF/PF players...)

Long Shot - Al Harrington - Baby Al's been playing well in Atlanta recently...


Boston:

Mark Blount - Maybe he can revive his career.... maybe not

Long Shot - Paul Pierce - His game is absurdly good... Will only be traded if Boston get a lot in return and decides to give up on the season


Charlotte:

Primoz Brezec - This would be ironic

Long Shot - Gerald Wallace... some fabulous dealings would have to be done to acquire this up and comer


Chicago:

Ben Gordon - If the unhappiness rumors are true

Long Shot - Luol Deng - More long term upside


Cleveland:

Luke Jackson - Were the rumors that Bird wanted to draft him true?

Long Shot - Larry Hughes - Perhaps Ron would actually fill this gap better... Ron said he wanted to play in Cleveland


Dallas:

KVH - Who really wants to pay him anyway

Long Shot - Marquis Daniels - Pehaps Dallas actually thinks he is talented...


Denver:

Voshon Lenard

Long Shot - Andre Miller - They have quite a few PGs... but so do we


Detroit:

Dale Davis

Long Shot - Lets be realistic... there won't be a trade to Detroit...


Golden State:

Dunleavy - Ugh... Maybe GS realizes that they overpaid.

Long Shot - Pietrus... Huge upside


Houston:

Juwan Howard -

Long Shot - Derek Anderson - Not all that long... also possibly David Wesley... Look for serious interest from the Rockets


LA Clippers - Wilcox - rumors is that he is on the trading block

Long Shot - Maggette - Flashy and solid


La Lakers - Devean George and Brian Cook - Old rumors revived

Long Shot - Odom - Perfect return for Ron Ron...


Memphis - Mike Miller - Do you think West actually like Ron?

Long Shot - Battier - Another Perfect player to get in return for Ron


Miami - James Posey - Solid return, but unlikely to be traded to an eastern contender

Long Shot - Antoine Walker - Only because we wouldn't want him


Milwaukee - Magloire

Long Shot - Bobby Simmons - new acquisitions not as great as planned.


T Wolves - Szczerbiak - A good possibility.. please don't say Skita

Long Shot - Eddie Griffin - Starting to finally play like he should


New Jersey - Zoran Planicic and Clif Robinson

Long Shot - Richard Jefferson - Some are starting to doubt him...


New Orleans - Desmond Mason

Long Shot - Macijausckas - Kinda of a risky return for Ron Ron...


New York - Stephon Marbury

Long Shot - Quentin Richardson - I really don't want either player though...


Orlando - Turkoglu

Long Shot - Steve Francis - A trade of troubled players...


Philadelphia - Iguodala - about as good as we could hope for in return.... Somone in Philly has to really like Artest though.

Long Shot - Webber


Phoenix - Jim Jackson - I'd take him...

Long Shot - James Jones


Portland - Ruben Patterson - Documented unhappiness...

Long Shot - Ratliff and Dixon


Sacramento - Peja - Not a fan, but always a good chance....

Long Shot - Kenny Thomas


San Antonio - none - I just don't see a trade to the Spurs happening in the near future


Seattle - Reggie Evans

Long Shot - Raschard Lewis - I love to dream... Another great trade


Toronto - Jalen Rose or Mo Pete

Long Shot - Bosh if he decides to leave


Utah - Devin Brown et al.

Long Shot - Boozer


Washington - So many possibilites... I'll go with Jarvis Hayes

Long Shot - Jamison


Let me know what you think

Jon Theodore
12-11-2005, 07:28 PM
i'll take Reggie Evans and a 1st rounder please

Hoop
12-11-2005, 07:30 PM
Have I mentioned I want Odom. :D I think it could be done. Even Laker fans like it.

Shade
12-11-2005, 07:39 PM
Have I mentioned I want Odom. :D I think it could be done. Even Laker fans like it.

Yup. My only problem is that several of them want Austin for Kwame/Slava/Cook as well, and I say hell no to that.

:thepacers get:
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum

:lakers: get:
Ron Artest
Scot Pollard

C - Foster/Harrison/Bynum/Walker
PF - JO/Cro
SF - Odom/Granger
SG - Jack/Freddie/Snap
PG - Tins/Runi/AJ/Gill

Then bring back Snap after JB retires.

Sign me the ***** up! :signit:

Gamble
12-11-2005, 08:23 PM
I'm not a big fan of Odom but he is a quality guy. He doesn't seem
to have helped the Lakers but less would be required of him here.
Would you want to throw Harrison in there for him to further clean up
the locker room?

Gamble
12-11-2005, 08:25 PM
Shade my wife is cooking me some pancakes.. Just thought i would
let you know that married life is good.

Shade
12-11-2005, 08:27 PM
Shade my wife is cooking me some pancakes.. Just thought i would
let you know that married life is good.

:tongue:

Hoop
12-11-2005, 08:31 PM
Yup. My only problem is that several of them want Austin for Kwame/Slava/Cook as well, and I say hell no to that.

:thepacers get:
Lamar Odom
Andrew Bynum

:lakers: get:
Ron Artest
Scot Pollard

C - Foster/Harrison/Bynum/Walker
PF - JO/Cro
SF - Odom/Granger
SG - Jack/Freddie/Snap
PG - Tins/Runi/AJ/Gill

Then bring back Snap after JB retires.

Sign me the ***** up! :signit:
I part with Cro if needed to make the deal work and I've always liked Cro. I'd even take Kwame with Odom, I maybe in the minority but I think Kwame can be a player. He had some very good games against JO when he was at Washington.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-11-2005, 09:26 PM
I'd take Odom if it meant trading Cro...

Pacerized
12-11-2005, 09:34 PM
No offense, but I think you need to set your sights higher. I'd rather just sit Ron at the end of the bench for the next 2 years then to take nothing for him. Trading him to Pheonix for Jones, that's basically trading him for a future 2cd. round pick. In spite of his obvious issues, Ron is a 26 year old DPOY, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. A player like Battier, or Harrington should be the low end of what we get for Ron.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-11-2005, 09:42 PM
No offense, but I think you need to set your sights higher. I'd rather just sit Ron at the end of the bench for the next 2 years then to take nothing for him. Trading him to Pheonix for Jones, that's basically trading him for a future 2cd. round pick. In spite of his obvious issues, Ron is a 26 year old DPOY, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. A player like Battier, or Harrington should be the low end of what we get for Ron.

I beg to differ... Pacers' prime time is starting now... who knows how we will be in 2 years.

I'd rather get rid of Ron if he is just going to be a distraction to the team and a thorn in our side...

I also doubt we could get a star player for Ron... perhaps right after his DPOY season ...

I sorta see your point though... someone will eventually take a chance on Ron and give us a good deal... Ron's low salary and high skill level is too enticing to pass up...

NZPacer
12-11-2005, 09:44 PM
No offense, but I think you need to set your sights higher. I'd rather just sit Ron at the end of the bench for the next 2 years then to take nothing for him. Trading him to Pheonix for Jones, that's basically trading him for a future 2cd. round pick. In spite of his obvious issues, Ron is a 26 year old DPOY, who hasn't even hit his prime yet. A player like Battier, or Harrington should be the low end of what we get for Ron.

That's a wee bit idealistic.

No one doubts Ron's ability. His mental state of mind and contribution to team chemistry..........

Pacesetter
12-11-2005, 09:49 PM
Maybe a deal could be made to send AJ-Scot-Artest to Sacramento for Peja, and Brad.

indygeezer
12-11-2005, 09:56 PM
Shade my wife is cooking me some pancakes.. Just thought i would
let you know that married life is good.


That explains why she called and asked if I had some pants I could loan you.

SoupIsGood
12-11-2005, 09:56 PM
What if..... Ron was traded for Ricky Davis?

indygeezer
12-11-2005, 09:58 PM
What if..... Ron was traded for Ricky Davis?

I would jump off Uncle Bucks bridge.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-11-2005, 10:00 PM
Brad is not coming back to the Pacers

Fun to dream though!

SoupIsGood
12-11-2005, 10:06 PM
I would jump off Uncle Bucks bridge.

For.... Desmond Mason and PJ Brown?

Slick Pinkham
12-11-2005, 10:11 PM
from Boston: Al Jefferson, Dan Dickau, draft pick?

CableKC
12-11-2005, 10:33 PM
It hasn't been asked....is SJax going to start at SG or SF?

Cuz....whatever position he is going to start at....determines what player we would want in return.

I would prefer to ( 1st ) get a starting quality SG that can defend quick players and provide perimeter defense and ( most importantly ) is comfortable being a 3rd / 4th scoring option ( 2nd ) get a SF who can effectively defend....again...both of which can provide some defense...but not complain about being a 3rd / 4th scoring option.

I would also like to get a solid rebounder to play backup PF minutes.

wooolus
12-11-2005, 10:56 PM
Gerald Wallace or Odom!???!??!? :drool

Frank Slade
12-11-2005, 10:57 PM
Gerald Wallace or Odom!???!??!? :drool
Gerald Wallace would be good ... pretty balanced on both ends.
however I think he just signed a new deal with Charlotte

CableKC
12-11-2005, 11:34 PM
Gerald Wallace would be good ... pretty balanced on both ends.
however I think he just signed a new deal with Charlotte
Also.....Charlotte is looking only for young players with reasonable contracts.

Pacesetter
12-11-2005, 11:36 PM
How about Zydrunas for Ron?

CableKC
12-11-2005, 11:55 PM
Cuz it won't happen.....the Cavs need a big man.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 01:38 AM
Also.....Charlotte is looking only for young players with reasonable contracts.


Actually... Ron does qualify... He is only 25 and has a VERY reasonable contract...

Pacesetter
12-12-2005, 01:45 AM
Cuz it won't happen.....the Cavs need a big man.

What about salaries, would those be agreeable?

Naptown Seth
12-12-2005, 01:47 AM
Gerald Wallace or Odom!???!??!? :drool
My God some of these trade scenarios are stomache turning. Ron's trade value is higher than you people think, believe me. Walsh is one of the best GMs in the league, and I assure you he wont be ripped off, which is what 90% of these proposals are.

As for Gerald Wallace - he's interesting. He's not a great player like Ron is, but he's very good and only 23 which means there's a strong chance for greatness in the near future. An interesting thing about a deal with the Bobcats is, their owner, Robert Johnson, is also the founder of B.E.T. B.E.T is actually headquartered in Charlotte. With Ron wanting to be a parttime rapper/music producer/entertainer/whatever, that certainly makes for some very interesting thoughts.

Naptown Seth
12-12-2005, 01:55 AM
What about salaries, would those be agreeable?
Nope. Z makes too much. We'd have to add more. There's a very easy to use trade checker up at http://realgm.com/src_tradechecker it's just point and click for the most part, and will take you maybe 30 seconds to figure out. But anyways, I dont think a deal with the Cavs will go down.
(1) They're a division rival. No way do you trade with them unless your clearly getting the best end of the deal, and unless we get back LeBron or Hughes + another good player, we won't be getting the best end of a deal with them.
(2) As for Ilgauskas, he's pretty aged (30 years, 6 months) and with his past injuries it''s very easy to see him completely breaking down any season now.
(3) He's not that good anyways. Yeah, he's got some offensive talent, but defensively and rebounding-wise, Foster is the superior player. I'd rather keep Foster starting at center and trade for a very good perimeter player than trade Ron for an aged center.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 01:56 AM
My God some of these trade scenarios are stomache turning. Ron's trade value is higher than you people think, believe me. Walsh is one of the best GMs in the league, and I assure you he wont be ripped off, which is what 90% of these proposals are.

As for Gerald Wallace - he's interesting. He's not a great player like Ron is, but he's very good and only 23 which means there's a strong chance for greatness in the near future. An interesting thing about a deal with the Bobcats is, their owner, Robert Johnson, is also the founder of B.E.T. B.E.T is actually headquartered in Charlotte. With Ron wanting to be a parttime rapper/music producer/entertainer/whatever, that certainly makes for some very interesting thoughts.

Hey Seth,

Note that not all of the trades proposed are serious and most would require us getting several key players / considerations... the fact is that some teams don't match our trade needs or have a suitable talent that we can trade Ron for...

I find Odom and Wallace to be fair trades... even in the case of Wallace though, I think we should try to get more...

Pacersfan.
12-12-2005, 01:58 AM
Actually... Ron does qualify... He is only 25 and has a VERY reasonable contract...

I'd actually feel bad sending Ron to the Bobcats. No, not for Ron, but the Bobcats. They have a lot of young up and coming players over there, and I wouldn't want Ron screwing with their heads.

8.9_seconds
12-12-2005, 01:59 AM
I'm not a big fan of Odom but he is a quality guy. He doesn't seem
to have helped the Lakers but less would be required of him here.



I hear it's because he's frustrated and doesn't understand the Triangle offense.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 02:01 AM
I'd actually feel bad sending Ron to the Bobcats. No, not for Ron, but the Bobcats. They have a lot of young up and coming players over there, and I wouldn't want Ron screwing with their heads.

Very true... very true...

8.9_seconds
12-12-2005, 02:03 AM
I actually think that Ron really likes younger guys and could be a big help to him, look how he treats Danny and Sarunas.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 04:33 AM
I'm in the process of reading thru the message of other teams now... Here are some interesting trades/thoughts:

Atlanta - Al for Ron (usually in a 3-way trade, but some actually want Ron... )
THis is a funny one:
Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Marbury to Atlanta

Or, Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Andre Miller to Atlanta, QRich, Lee, and Lue to Denver

Boston - No good trades seen.

Chicago - Most involve Gordon+_ for Artest

Cleveland - Consensus is that they'd do any of these trades (or, it seems, any trade not involving Lebron... they really want Ron but find it unlikely since they are in the same division):

1.) gooden/donyell/luke for artest and fred jones (to make salaries match)

2.) Cleveland Trades:
Drew Gooden 6-10 PF from Kansas
Luke Jackson 6-7 SF from Oregon
Aleksandar Pavlovic 6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)

Indiana Trades:
Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's

3.) Ron Artest and Austin Croshere

Pacers receive:
Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden


Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels


Denver: Couldn't find a good board..


Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)


Clippers:

Artest for:

Wilcox
Ewing
Expiring salary (McCarty, N'Dong)
The Wolves pick
Future picks (1st round, 2nd round

seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...


Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)


Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest


Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.


Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...


Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.


New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

NJ trades:
Richard Jefferson
Marc Jackson

IND trades:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster


New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)


New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

A trade:
Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

- a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "



Orlando: Grant Hill.


Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...


Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...


Portland: Miles plus pick


Sacto: Here is a good quote:
"I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...


Spurs: Nesterovic ... LOL (salaries match)


Raptors: Possibly:

to Toronto: Pollard, Fred JONES, Luke Jackson
to Indiana: Peterson,Aaron Williams,Dreew Gooden,Eric Snow
to Cleveland: Eric Williams, Ron Artest


or

Joey Graham, Alvin Williams, Our pick and Denver's pick

for

Artest and Indiana's pick


Utah: They are surprisingly not overly oposed to trading anyone on their team for Ron... Including AK47... which I find odd...

Washington: Jamison, Butler or Jared Jefferies seem to be possibilites...

Good Night!

miller=clutch
12-12-2005, 04:58 AM
lol good thinking....AK47 would be hell good in indiana so would starbury...i cant w8 2 c the outcome of this

Naptown Seth
12-12-2005, 05:17 AM
I'm in the process of reading thru the message of other teams now... Here are some interesting trades/thoughts:

Atlanta - Al for Ron (usually in a 3-way trade, but some actually want Ron... )
THis is a funny one:
Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Marbury to Atlanta

Or, Artest to NY, Harrington to Ind., Frye and Andre Miller to Atlanta, QRich, Lee, and Lue to Denver

Boston - No good trades seen.

Chicago - Most involve Gordon+_ for Artest

Cleveland - Consensus is that they'd do any of these trades (or, it seems, any trade not involving Lebron... they really want Ron but find it unlikely since they are in the same division):

1.) gooden/donyell/luke for artest and fred jones (to make salaries match)

2.) Cleveland Trades:
Drew Gooden 6-10 PF from Kansas
Luke Jackson 6-7 SF from Oregon
Aleksandar Pavlovic 6-7 SG from Serbia-Montenegro (Foreign)

Indiana Trades:
Ron Artest 6-7 SF from St. John's

3.) Ron Artest and Austin Croshere

Pacers receive:
Larry Hughes and Drew Gooden


Dallas: They are opposed to Artest almost unanimously... even for Daniels


Denver: Couldn't find a good board..


Golden State: Seem to be amenable to all trades involving Pietrus + _ for Artest + _ ... Murphy and Fisher seem to be mentioned a lot. (their dream includes getting Sarunas or Foster in return... but most of the reasonable ones question why we'd take Pietrus for Artest at all)


Clippers:

Artest for:

Wilcox
Ewing
Expiring salary (McCarty, N'Dong)
The Wolves pick
Future picks (1st round, 2nd round

seems to be the consensus... Most wouldn't do Maggette for Artest but a few might...


Lakers: Very few want Artest for Odom, surprisingly... but several want Artest... Something about cake and eating it too.... ;-)


Grizz: Hard to gague... I can't find a good board... They don't think West would go for Battier for Artest


Miami: They know that they aren't going to get Artest, so no serious trades were offered.


Milwaukee: Also probably not going to get Artest... Simmons + more is clearly and option for them though...


Minnesota: They seem to like Artest... Szcerbiak and Hassell is a possibility for Artest + filler but they rightfully think that it is too little and don't want to give up Griffin.


New Jersey: Vince Carter or Kidd seem to be possibilites... Word is out on Jefferson...

NJ trades:
Richard Jefferson
Marc Jackson

IND trades:
Ron Artest
Jeff Foster


New Orleans: A resounding NO (no pun intended)


New York: Funny how many Ariza + more crap for Artest trades are proposed... IF only there were some way we could rip IT off... everyone else seems to be doing it...

A trade:
Marbury/Ariza for Tinsley/Artest/Bender

- a funny comment on this trade: "Why because NO OTHER TEAM will give up there two best players to get him. "



Orlando: Grant Hill.


Philadelphia: Seem to like Artest (A LOT... plus he would be pretty close to home...) Iguodala is certainly an option for them (also Korver... obiously)... They also don't like AI...


Phoenix: Not really much they can do to compete with other offers...


Portland: Miles plus pick


Sacto: Here is a good quote:
"I just took a few minutes and read some of the vast multitude of threads/posts about this at PacersDigest. The consensus is about 3 to 1 in favor of totally washing their hands of him, even though some of them admit he's the best player on their team right now. Their comments about him make the most vile stuff posted here about Webber look like testimonials.

If they're THAT fed up with him, I'm more convinced than ever that Ron Artest is simply a liability we do not need." --- they are smart fans... They don't think that Ron would fit with their team...


Spurs: Nesterovic ... LOL (salaries match)


Raptors: Possibly:

to Toronto: Pollard, Fred JONES, Luke Jackson
to Indiana: Peterson,Aaron Williams,Dreew Gooden,Eric Snow
to Cleveland: Eric Williams, Ron Artest


or

Joey Graham, Alvin Williams, Our pick and Denver's pick

for

Artest and Indiana's pick


Utah: They are surprisingly not overly oposed to trading anyone on their team for Ron... Including AK47... which I find odd...

Washington: Jamison, Butler or Jared Jefferies seem to be possibilites...

Good Night!
Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

Sarunas Jasikevicius/Anthony Johnson
Stephon Marbury/Fred Jones
Stephen Jackson/Danny Granger
Jermaine O'Neal/Austin Croshere
Channing Frye/Jeff Foster

And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.

indygeezer
12-12-2005, 08:15 AM
AK47 and Saras on the same team....wow. Along with JO ...o golly.

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 03:57 PM
Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

Sarunas Jasikevicius/Anthony Johnson
Stephon Marbury/Fred Jones
Stephen Jackson/Danny Granger
Jermaine O'Neal/Austin Croshere
Channing Frye/Jeff Foster

And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.

I'm not opposed to a Marbury trade based on what kind of player Marbury is ( but I know a lot of people would be... )... I'm a little hesitant to take on his contract though...

Ultimate Frisbee
12-12-2005, 04:01 PM
Honestly... I'd be happy with basically any one else right now... Happy for a change am I... :brilliant:

Mourning
12-12-2005, 04:04 PM
Well since he's been "banned" until he gets traded I don't think we are going to get much for him. I think we would have the best chance for some reasonable returns IF we throw in another player as then we can start looking at players making more money, widening the limited possibilities that are worth just a little.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

Fool
12-12-2005, 04:13 PM
How do you think JO would react to Marbury?

Hicks
12-12-2005, 04:22 PM
Indiana Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
9.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 27.5 minutes
Incoming

Morris Peterson
6-7 SG from Michigan State
13.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.8 minutes

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
15.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 34.4 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
1.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes
Change in team outlook: +1.1 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and -2.1 apg.

Toronto Trade Breakdown
Outgoing

Morris Peterson
6-7 SG from Michigan State
13.4 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 1.3 apg in 31.8 minutes

Mike James
6-2 PG from Duquesne
15.5 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 4.3 apg in 34.4 minutes

Aaron Williams
6-9 PF from Xavier
1.5 ppg, 1.7 rpg, 0.0 apg in 7.0 minutes
Incoming

Ron Artest
6-7 SF from St. John's
19.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg, 2.2 apg in 37.8 minutes

Jamaal Tinsley
6-3 PG from Iowa State
9.9 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 5.5 apg in 27.5 minutes
Change in team outlook: -1.1 ppg, -0.4 rpg, and +2.1 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Indiana and Toronto being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Indiana and Toronto had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

ChicagoJ
12-12-2005, 06:49 PM
I think its safe to put Chicago in the "Been there, done that, no f:censored:ing way in Hell we're doing that again" camp.

CableKC
12-12-2005, 06:58 PM
Didn't we just go through a huge "SJax plays better if he is the 2nd scoring option" debate?

If you come to the conclusion that SJax plays better as the 2nd scoring option....then it would make ZERO sense to get an offensive minded player like Rashard Lewis or Peja ( of course ignoring the liklihood that their respective teams have very little incentive to give up a star player for a guy that has very little trade value ) that would take away the 2nd scoring shots that SJax thinks he should get.

What we need is a player that play as a 3rd scoring option....but more importantly one that can effectively defend the SG position.

If you want another scorer....we should trade for a bench scorer...but not one that starts.

DisplacedKnick
12-12-2005, 07:00 PM
Damn, that was a lot of work. Nice job, some interesting stuff.

What about a deal that could land Stephon Marbury here? I know many don't like him because he's "selfish", but I was thinking of playing him at the 2 and move Jackson to the 3.
Knicks seem to be looking for a point guard, so how about this....
Ron Artest, Jamaal Tinsley, and Scot Pollard to New York in exchange for Stephon Marbury, Channing Frye, and Trevor Ariza?

Sarunas Jasikevicius/Anthony Johnson
Stephon Marbury/Fred Jones
Stephen Jackson/Danny Granger
Jermaine O'Neal/Austin Croshere
Channing Frye/Jeff Foster

And we'd still have 3 nice young projects in Granger, Ariza, and Harrison to work with.

Frye's the deal-breaker in that one. Substitute Nate Robinson or David Lee (a Foster Clone minus 2") and it could happen though Marbury and Zeke are tight. Frye's being looked at as the 2nd coming right now.