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Will Galen
03-25-2004, 05:52 PM
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Is Reggie Most Efficient Scorer Ever?


Wednesday, March 25, 2004
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QUESTION
OF THE DAY
Conrad Brunner
Q. Is Reggie Miller the most efficient scorer in NBA history in terms of points per field-goal attempt? Every time I look at his line in the box score, and this was true even when he was scoring more than this season, he takes an amazingly small number of shots to get his points. It seems he rarely has a game where his field goal attempts outnumber his points. In this age of Allen Iverson-like "efficiency" (32 shots for 27 points), Reggie is a real throwback. Still my favorite player after all these years, he just keeps on ticking. (From Steve in Tucson, AZ)

A. He certainly is among the all-time best in that department, but I couldn’t track down an official ranking. Harvey Pollack, the legendary statistics guru in Philadelphia, publishes an annual shooting efficiency list in his annual NBA Statistical Yearbook, but he doesn’t keep a career list. So, since someone else hasn’t done the homework for me, I was left with no choice but to do a little myself. According to my admittedly superficial research, Reggie’s career mark of 1.45 points per shot attempt ranks second among the league’s top all-time scorers. Shaquille O’Neal is just ahead of him at 1.46. Right behind are Moses Malone (1.43) and Karl Malone (1.41). It’s interesting to note all of the other leaders are big men, who tend to have much higher-percentage shots and also rack up free-throw attempts. Among guards, Oscar Robertson (1.34) and Michael Jordan (1.32) both lag far behind Reggie in this category.

In recent seasons, Reggie’s efficiency has declined slightly, primarily because he attempts far fewer free throws than during his peak scoring seasons. His average this year is 2.2 free-throw attempts; his career mark is 5.1. His current efficiency average is 1.37, comparable to last year’s 1.38 when he was seventh among players who averaged at least 10 points per game. The Pacers’ current team leader in that category is Jonathan Bender (1.44). The team average is 1.18. Reggie’s legacy as an efficient scorer was cast in his career-high game. When he scored 57 points against Charlotte on Nov. 28, 1992, he did so on 29 field goal attempts. That’s just about as close to perfect as you can get: 1.97 points per shot.

Slick Pinkham
03-25-2004, 06:09 PM
Reggie’s legacy as an efficient scorer was cast in his career-high game. When he scored 57 points against Charlotte on Nov. 28, 1992, he did so on 29 field goal attempts. That’s just about as close to perfect as you can get: 1.97 points per shot.

last night: 2.0!

16 points on 8 shots!

:dance:

MagicRat
03-25-2004, 06:09 PM
Reggie’s legacy as an efficient scorer was cast in his career-high game. When he scored 57 points against Charlotte on Nov. 28, 1992, he did so on 29 field goal attempts. That’s just about as close to perfect as you can get: 1.97 points per shot.

last night: 2.0!

16 points on 8 shots!

:dance:

7 technical free throws are handy.....

Anthem
03-26-2004, 02:38 AM
7 technical free throws are handy.....

It's not Reggie's fault that Shawn Bradley was channelling the spirit of Kenyon Martin.

beast23
03-26-2004, 02:42 AM
Top 25 players for points per field goal attempt. Note that it includes players who played prior to 3 point field goals.

Sorry for the format, but I was too lazy to space it out after the cut and paste.

I was surprised by the rankings for a few of the players. For example Magic at #4, even Stockton at #8 right behind Reggie.

I would have assumed that Reggie would be the highest ranking guard.

Rank Player PTS FGA PTS/FGA
1 Artis_Gilmore 15,579 9,570 1.628
2 Adrian Dantley 23,177 15,121 1.533
3 Charles Barkley 23,757 15,605 1.522
4 Magic_Johnson 17,707 11,951 1.482
5 David Robinson 20,790 14,221 1.462
6 Shaquille O'Neal 21,705 14,857 1.461
7 Reggie Miller 24,237 16,721 1.449
8 John_Stockton 19,711 13,658 1.443
9 Buck_Williams 16,784 11,661 1.439
10 Detlef_Schrempf 15,761 10,995 1.433
11 Moses Malone 27,409 19,225 1.426
12 Karl Malone 36,798 26,113 1.409
13 Kevin_Mchale 17,335 12,334 1.405
14 Otis_Thorpe 17,598 12,592 1.398
15 Dan_Issel 14,659 10,711 1.369
16 Kiki_Vandeweghe 15,980 11,699 1.366
17 Walt Bellamy 20,941 15,340 1.365
18 Hersey_Hawkins 14,468 10,612 1.363
19 Oscar Robertson 26,710 19,620 1.361
20 Shawn_Kemp 15,347 11,278 1.361
21 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387 28,307 1.356
22 Chris_Mullin 17,911 13,243 1.352
23 Larry_Nance 15,687 11,664 1.345
24 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 23,497 1.337
25 Terry_Porter 15,586 11,734 1.328

Anthem
03-26-2004, 03:03 AM
Top 25 players for points per field goal attempt. Note that it includes players who played prior to 3 point field goals.

Where'd you get this?

Send it to Brunner!

Kstat
03-26-2004, 03:09 AM
Top 25 players for points per field goal attempt. Note that it includes players who played prior to 3 point field goals.

Sorry for the format, but I was too lazy to space it out after the cut and paste.

I was surprised by the rankings for a few of the players. For example Magic at #4, even Stockton at #8 right behind Reggie.

I would have assumed that Reggie would be the highest ranking guard.

Rank Player PTS FGA PTS/FGA
1 Artis_Gilmore 15,579 9,570 1.628
2 Adrian Dantley 23,177 15,121 1.533
3 Charles Barkley 23,757 15,605 1.522
4 Magic_Johnson 17,707 11,951 1.482
5 David Robinson 20,790 14,221 1.462
6 Shaquille O'Neal 21,705 14,857 1.461
7 Reggie Miller 24,237 16,721 1.449
8 John_Stockton 19,711 13,658 1.443
9 Buck_Williams 16,784 11,661 1.439
10 Detlef_Schrempf 15,761 10,995 1.433
11 Moses Malone 27,409 19,225 1.426
12 Karl Malone 36,798 26,113 1.409
13 Kevin_Mchale 17,335 12,334 1.405
14 Otis_Thorpe 17,598 12,592 1.398
15 Dan_Issel 14,659 10,711 1.369
16 Kiki_Vandeweghe 15,980 11,699 1.366
17 Walt Bellamy 20,941 15,340 1.365
18 Hersey_Hawkins 14,468 10,612 1.363
19 Oscar Robertson 26,710 19,620 1.361
20 Shawn_Kemp 15,347 11,278 1.361
21 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387 28,307 1.356
22 Chris_Mullin 17,911 13,243 1.352
23 Larry_Nance 15,687 11,664 1.345
24 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 23,497 1.337
25 Terry_Porter 15,586 11,734 1.328

The fact that Magic Johnson, who was NEVER known for his scoring, is the TOP guard on the list makes the stat fraudulant.

Hicks
03-26-2004, 08:55 AM
Top 25 players for points per field goal attempt. Note that it includes players who played prior to 3 point field goals.

Sorry for the format, but I was too lazy to space it out after the cut and paste.

I was surprised by the rankings for a few of the players. For example Magic at #4, even Stockton at #8 right behind Reggie.

I would have assumed that Reggie would be the highest ranking guard.

Rank Player PTS FGA PTS/FGA
1 Artis_Gilmore 15,579 9,570 1.628
2 Adrian Dantley 23,177 15,121 1.533
3 Charles Barkley 23,757 15,605 1.522
4 Magic_Johnson 17,707 11,951 1.482
5 David Robinson 20,790 14,221 1.462
6 Shaquille O'Neal 21,705 14,857 1.461
7 Reggie Miller 24,237 16,721 1.449
8 John_Stockton 19,711 13,658 1.443
9 Buck_Williams 16,784 11,661 1.439
10 Detlef_Schrempf 15,761 10,995 1.433
11 Moses Malone 27,409 19,225 1.426
12 Karl Malone 36,798 26,113 1.409
13 Kevin_Mchale 17,335 12,334 1.405
14 Otis_Thorpe 17,598 12,592 1.398
15 Dan_Issel 14,659 10,711 1.369
16 Kiki_Vandeweghe 15,980 11,699 1.366
17 Walt Bellamy 20,941 15,340 1.365
18 Hersey_Hawkins 14,468 10,612 1.363
19 Oscar Robertson 26,710 19,620 1.361
20 Shawn_Kemp 15,347 11,278 1.361
21 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 38,387 28,307 1.356
22 Chris_Mullin 17,911 13,243 1.352
23 Larry_Nance 15,687 11,664 1.345
24 Wilt Chamberlain 31,419 23,497 1.337
25 Terry_Porter 15,586 11,734 1.328

The fact that Magic Johnson, who was NEVER known for his scoring, is the TOP guard on the list makes the stat fraudulant.

I don't see why. He may not be known for it, but that doesn't mean he didn't score a fair ammount and be efficient at doing so.

Unclebuck
03-26-2004, 09:27 AM
Somewhat interesting stat, but I don't put much stock into it.

Two reasons:

That list is really just a list of players who shot and made a lot of free throws. When you are fouled that does not count as a FG attempt. John Stockton is one exception.

It takes a lot of talent to get shots off. Iverson is the best example of what I am talking about. yes he takes a lot of bad shots, but it takes talent to take a lot of bad shots even.

beast23
03-26-2004, 10:24 AM
Top 25 players for points per field goal attempt. Note that it includes players who played prior to 3 point field goals.

Where'd you get this?

Send it to Brunner!
My son compiled two Excel spreadsheets he had, one of retired players and one of current players, and created a column to calculate the statistic. He then sorted it by the created column.

He's currently here in Indy from Chicago, on leave with mono from his job, and seems to have nothing but time on his hands.

Smokin420
03-26-2004, 10:25 AM
yes he takes a lot of bad shots, but it takes talent to take a lot of bad shots even.

Thats gotta be right up there with Patrick Ewings "We might make a lot of money but, we also spend a lot of money"







"Practice!?!?! Practice! Man, we’re talking about practice!”

beast23
03-26-2004, 10:47 AM
Somewhat interesting stat, but I don't put much stock into it.

Two reasons:

That list is really just a list of players who shot and made a lot of free throws. When you are fouled that does not count as a FG attempt. John Stockton is one exception.

It takes a lot of talent to get shots off. Iverson is the best example of what I am talking about. yes he takes a lot of bad shots, but it takes talent to take a lot of bad shots even.
You've hit upon the reason that Reggie's statistic has decreased slightly over the last 3 years or so. He's not as aggressive as he was earlier in his career, is not driving the ball as much and not taking as many field goal attempts, therefore has decreased his ability to get to the line.

But I do put some faith in the statistic, if only to show how crazy some guys can get.

For example, you have your guys like Iverson, who jack up 30+ shots a game to win 3 scoring titles average 27 - 29 points per game. And remember, shots missed where he has been fouled but does not make the shot do not count as FGAs. And Iverson gets fouled a hell of a lot.

So here's a guy who actually took 40-45% of his teams shots, hit about 40-42% from the field, and he wins a scoring title. Even with his large numer of FTs, he is probably one of the most inefficient scorers in the recent memory. Yet so many folks seem to be on his bandwagon.

NewYawk
03-26-2004, 11:57 AM
7 technical free throws are handy.....

It's not Reggie's fault that Shawn Bradley was channelling the spirit of Kenyon Martin.

LMAO!!!

:D :meditate:

DisplacedKnick
03-26-2004, 12:05 PM
The fact that Magic Johnson, who was NEVER known for his scoring, is the TOP guard on the list makes the stat fraudulant.

Not sure why - he averaged close to 20 ppg for his career. It's not like he didn't take his share of shots.

Cactus Jax
03-26-2004, 12:49 PM
I'd like to think that was me that sent him the e-mail but it's not...so there's another Reggie fan down here :) :cheers: :hug:

beast23
03-27-2004, 01:26 AM
The fact that Magic Johnson, who was NEVER known for his scoring, is the TOP guard on the list makes the stat fraudulant.

Not sure why - he averaged close to 20 ppg for his career. It's not like he didn't take his share of shots.
Magic also shot over 50% and got to the line quite a bit. Not a surprise at all that he ranks very high in the pts/FGA statistic.