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Kaufman
10-23-2005, 09:40 PM
Hello all,

Did anyone happen to see the Jordan interview on 60 Minutes tonight? Any groundbreaking or earth shattering news come out of it???

Kstat
10-23-2005, 09:41 PM
I hear Jordan announced his retirement....

travmil
10-23-2005, 09:45 PM
Hello all,

Did anyone happen to see the Jordan interview on 60 Minutes tonight? Any groundbreaking or earth shattering news come out of it???

All it looked like to me was a commercial for Jordan's new book hitting the shelves tomorrow.

Kaufman
10-23-2005, 09:48 PM
Did he look older? I know it's a stupid question, but one person who intregues me is Michael Jordan...

Evan_The_Dude
10-23-2005, 09:59 PM
He talked about how he feels the Wizards used him. He came back out of retirement at 38 and did more than most in the league could do even today. Then he thought he'd be running the team once he retired for good, only to be told his services were no longer needed. He felt used because the team sold out every single home game during the time he was playing for them.

Kaufman
10-23-2005, 10:06 PM
Well its not surprising, I don't know if anyone happened to read Phil Mushnick's article in the NY Post this morning, talked about how Michael's book is being published by Simon and Schuster, which is a subsidiary of Viacom, which by the way owns CBS which of course produces 60 Minutes. So I bet they didn't ask him that many pressing questions...

PS: Va - Lawyers.... interesting bunch.

Stryder
10-23-2005, 10:07 PM
Well its not surprising, I don't know if anyone happened to read Phil Mushnick's article in the NY Post this morning, talked about how Michael's book is being published by Simon and Schuster, which is a subsidiary of Viacom, which by the way owns CBS which of course produces 60 Minutes. So I bet they didn't ask him that many pressing questions...

Ed Bradley mentioned that fact in his interview...

Pacers#1Fan
10-23-2005, 10:22 PM
Does anyone know what the new book is about?

Anthem
10-23-2005, 10:29 PM
Being M. Jordan.

Pacers#1Fan
10-23-2005, 10:44 PM
Oh, I will probably get it then. I was a huge MJ fan growing up, my parents named me after him (Jordan). I still have on of those life sized cardboard cut-outs of him in my room. Man, I have had that thing since like 96

grace
10-23-2005, 11:49 PM
Does anyone know what the new book is about?

Gambling? ;)

317Kim
10-24-2005, 06:26 AM
Oh, I will probably get it then. I was a huge MJ fan growing up, my parents named me after him (Jordan). I still have on of those life sized cardboard cut-outs of him in my room. Man, I have had that thing since like 96
I have one of those! It also had the fake autograph on it. Fake b/c he didnt sign it and they basically printed it on there ;) . I also have one of Reg :D but it doesnt have the autograph.

Pacers#1Fan
10-24-2005, 07:54 AM
I have one of those! It also had the fake autograph on it. Fake b/c he didnt sign it and they basically printed it on there ;) . I also have one of Reg :D but it doesnt have the autograph.Mine has the fake auto. on it to.

Kaufman
10-24-2005, 09:50 AM
Tell us tell us about MJ's arrogance!

Inquiring minds want to know!

Lawyers - they're all a lil' shady... they're all cut from the same cloth, more or less -

naptownmenace
10-24-2005, 10:19 AM
I have a lot of stories, but the main one I have was told to me from a Wizards ballboy (I tried out to be one when I was 15, got the job but couldnt work till I was 16. I never went back to take the job), and it was later reported in the Washington Post Magazine.

Basically after every game Jordan would be the first one to the stadium, and told the team employees that no players would be allowed into the locker room untill after he had gotten dressed after left the locker room.

Then after the games, Jordan made the team wait outside of the team locker room untill he had showered and changed into his clothes. The team was allowed to enter the locker room only AFTER Jordan had left for the press confrence.

Not much is said on this part, but Kwame got frustrated one game and asked why he had to wait outside. Jordan told him to quit being a ***** and to shut the **** up. He told Kwame when he could play on the same level as Jordan then he could talk.

Now I really enjoyed watching MJ play (I only got to see it two or three times live, but all were him as a Wizard) but you cant put anyone above the team. I dont care if you are MJ, Lavar Arrington, whoever. I have always felt that way.

With that said, I was not surprised when the Wizards didnt offer him a front office position. He burned a lot of bridges, and if the players dont respect you, then you are starting off bad.

He did do a lot of good things, and I woudl say his biggest mistake was draftin Kwame with the #1 pick.


I heard about all of these things too. There was an article about it on ESPN shortly after his dismissal.

MJ was a terrible GM/President. Trading Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse was a bad deal and it backfired on him. He also couldn't draw any major free agents and no, Christian Leattner and Tyron Lue don't count.

There were a couple of incidents (things related by team employees) where the upper ownership of the team believed that MJ was trying to subvert their authority as well as completely take over the team.

Anyway, I've never liked Michael Jordan the person but you can't deny that on the court he was the most dynamic player ever to play the game.

Kaufman
10-24-2005, 06:11 PM
Juwan Howard is who you were thinking of.

Yeah I'd never heard about all these Jordan stories. Interesting. And thanks for sharing. What a jerk ball.

Let me ask you this - You mention Jordan, Thomas, et al amongst guys who can't manage. Do you think we're at a point where we can say Bird can? I'm not being sarcastic... I do wonder. Walsh still here, who knows what decisions are being made and who is making them?? I think Bird is in line for being the next owner of the Pacers... but as far as managing I think the jury is still out. I will give him credit for a guy like Saras, I think he found a good player and I think Bird's "name" went a long way in fishing Saras in for the P's. Just some of my thoughts.

That said, what about Kevin McHale. What category do you put him in? John Paxson. Danny Ainge. Kiki. Obviously we have to say to an extent that Dumars has made it. Chris Mullin. Those are a couple of names I can think of. Thoughts?

Kaufman
10-24-2005, 08:48 PM
i think Bird wants to own. He wants something to call his own. That is obviated by his interest in owning the casino complex in the Lick, as well as previous attempts to buy franchises.

Perkins is back with the P's, to my knowledge. In some kind of desk job.

Kaufman
10-25-2005, 07:23 PM
Those, my friend, were the good old days.

Kaufman
10-25-2005, 07:46 PM
It was forever and 1/2 ago. The days when we had solid, cement, set in stone lineups - Jax, Reg, McKey, Dale, and Rik. Always. You could count on them. Rarely injured. 13, 31, 9, 32, 45. Every night. No *****ing. No moaning. No groaning. No Penthouse. No diamond chains. No erratic weight gain in the offseason. No Bender watch. No national media every day. No rap promotions. No chronically injured center. Well, scratch that - but hey, 9/10 ain't bad.

Kaufman
10-26-2005, 12:54 AM
Got to look at the cup 1/2 full. Or at least 1/4 full.
Hey, they say we might win a title this year though - that's a positive, no?