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dewman_32
10-21-2005, 02:19 PM
I'm not a big fan of Stein, but this is a very good article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2199376

By Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Archive

INDIANAPOLIS -- You go to Conseco Fieldhouse because that's where you have to go as the NBA starts anew. Everyone's doing the Ron Artest story these days.

You go to Indy because Reggie Miller is gone after an eternity of killer 3s and because Artest is finally back from his lengthy banishment, even if you know it's a tad early for a reliable read on Artest's dependability.

You go to the basketball heartland because Jermaine O'Neal wants to plop down on a couch and tell you he already can see signs of a new Ron-Ron, no matter how skeptical you are, and because O'Neal so bluntly describes what will happen if Artest or any other prominent Pacer doesn't prove dependable.

"We would love to stay together and win championships together," O'Neal says, insisting that he and Artest are building daily on a closer-than-ever bond.

"But we know the nature of the game," O'Neal continued. "We know if we don't get it done, they're going to split us up."

It's the issue that never goes away in Indy, outlasting even Reggie.

Trust him or trade him?

Can the Pacers continue to allow their dreams of an NBA championship, unfulfilled for Miller, hinge on Artest?

Before you say no ...

Can the Pacers really afford to deal Artest away, knowing they'll probably never get close to equal value for the game's best two-way perimeter player?

Having returned from his 73-game suspension at an imposing 260 pounds, big enough to masquerade briefly as a center in a Tuesday's exhibition victory over San Antonio but still quick enough to shadow Manu Ginobili, Artest leaves little doubt as to why the Pacers want to give their young tag team every chance to win it all before abandoning this group and its dream.

At Artest's chiseled best, there's no one out there like him, capable of scoring an efficient 25 points and checking elite scorers of almost any size.

Of course, after five minutes of listening to Artest contradict himself from statement to statement, you're reminded again that there's no one out there like him.

Here's Artest conceding that the unprecedented punishment he received for his role in last November's melee in Detroit just might wind up having a positive impact on his career: "As much as I don't want to say it, I think so."

And there's Artest insisting that the commissioner -- more than the Pistons -- eliminated Indiana in last spring's second round: "Sometimes I say, 'If David Stern didn't do what he did, we would have gone further.' "

Trade him or trust him?

It's up to Larry Bird and Donnie Walsh, as the club's decision makers, to wrestle with that one. O'Neal and coach Rick Carlisle, meanwhile, have made it their mission of the season to convince Artest that the burden of resolving that conflict belongs to the whole team.

"We're a team that, on paper, it's a contender," Carlisle said. "But we've got a lot to prove. We've got a lot to prove as a group, and I put myself in the same category. With Reggie being gone and Dale Davis being gone, this group has to prove it can sync together."

And stay together.

"We all know that the media is waiting," O'Neal said. "Not just about Ron -- really about our whole team. That's been our downfall the last couple years. We get to that fine line and we take that one step over."

Said swingman Stephen Jackson: "The challenge for this whole team is keeping our emotions under control. It's not just Ron. We need to be more like San Antonio [composure-wise]."

Especially because, as O'Neal warns: "I've been telling Ron that there's going to be situations where people are going to try to get under our skin." Jackson concurred, saying: "It's only smart for them to try that."

Until the Pacers prove they can handle it, in other words.

O'Neal, though, is especially hopeful. The optimism started flowing when almost every Pacer showed up for informal workouts some three weeks before camp began. He also believes the Pacers have the deepest team in the league "from 1 to 15."

Yet the main source of O'Neal's self-belief stems from his own dealings with Artest, which have been so much more productive than they used to be.

It has been suggested that O'Neal, at various times over the past couple of seasons, was ready to join the trade-him movement, weary of all the drama and unreliability. Asked this week to address those whispers, O'Neal acknowledged that he viewed his relationship with Artest as no better than "decent" until this fall.

"We had little to no relationship off the court," O'Neal said.

Now?

Artest is interacting in the locker room, leaving his headphones at home more and gradually shedding his loner persona. O'Neal clearly was moved by the fact that after he suffered an allergic reaction at a recent dinner out, Artest called before anyone else in the organization to check on him.

"You've got to have that connection," Artest said. "You've got to have it. You can't be an outsider. To win a championship, you've got to be together as a team."

Said O'Neal: "It's hard for me to explain and it's probably hard for you to picture what I'm talking about, but our communication has been unbelievable [since camp began]. If I had to look at our situation from last year and see a positive that would come out of that [brawl], I really couldn't see any positives. But now when I look back at it and I see how our team accepts each other now, it's probably the best [atmosphere] since I've been here.

"The biggest problem with me and Ron in the past has never been dislike for each other as people. It's been both parties not really knowing each other. Our communication was nothing, and I put a lot of the blame on my shoulders, too. How can I, as a leader, come to the gym every day and not know everything about these guys?"

Total knowledge and understanding of the Artest enigma?

You can't say O'Neal lacks ambition.

Then again ...

If Artest can make the cover of Penthouse, quite a stretch even in these times of blanket coverage, isn't anything possible?

"What I've been asking the media to do is give Ron a chance to finish his own story," O'Neal said, "since he's trying so hard."

RWB
10-21-2005, 02:27 PM
[QUOTE=dewman_32]

Especially because, as O'Neal warns: "I've been telling Ron that there's going to be situations where people are going to try to get under our skin." Jackson concurred, saying: "It's only smart for them to try that."

Until the Pacers prove they can handle it, in other words.
QUOTE]


I will say this for the last time. The Pacers know it's coming so be prepared. Get Ron and the team some people to run interference for these kind of situations. It works management, please do it.....


P.S. They shouldn't have to rely on Mark Boyle to tackle someone.

Shade
10-21-2005, 02:30 PM
Great article. Kravitz should take notes.

Suaveness
10-21-2005, 02:41 PM
I absolutely LOVED this article. And I am so happy that O'Neal is saying this, and I hope that he believes this. If he and Ron can get along, the stars are the limit. Because no matter what anyone says about team chemistry, all that matters are these 2. If these 2 get along, everyone will follow.

Ultimate Frisbee
10-21-2005, 04:47 PM
Finally, the article that was waiting to be written...

If the Pacers fail this season (i.e. don't win a championship) who will go, Ron or JO??

Its good that the Pacers know what they are up against and know that the deliberate under the skin tactics will come out....

Jon Theodore
10-21-2005, 04:57 PM
well if Ron behaves well and we don't win. I sure hope they send JO off. Since he obviously has extremely high trade value. Trade JO for a solid first round pick and someone who can "somewhat" fill in the starting PF role.

Ron Artest could easily be the primary offensive focus like Jermaine was last year. Or send Jermaine/Sjack off for a premier SG/draft pick/roleplayer...something along those lines.

This is all assuming we don't win a title.

I think if we make it to the finals, you don't split them up. Just try to find the missing link.

I'm sure some of you will want to call me stupid, but....later

Destined4Greatness
10-21-2005, 04:59 PM
Finally, the article that was waiting to be written...

If the Pacers fail this season (i.e. don't win a championship) who will go, Ron or JO??

Its good that the Pacers know what they are up against and know that the deliberate under the skin tactics will come out....

Neither. You think the Lakers gave Shaq and Kobe just one shot. I mean the Bulls waited what was it 4 years after Pippen arrived.

18to88
10-21-2005, 05:02 PM
well if Ron behaves well and we don't win. I sure hope they send JO off. Since he obviously has extremely high trade value. Trade JO for a solid first round pick and someone who can "somewhat" fill in the starting PF role.

Ron Artest could easily be the primary offensive focus like Jermaine was last year. Or send Jermaine/Sjack off for a premier SG/draft pick/roleplayer...something along those lines.

This is all assuming we don't win a title.

I think if we make it to the finals, you don't split them up. Just try to find the missing link.

I'm sure some of you will want to call me stupid, but....later

You want to trade everybody. Are you sure you're a fan of this team?

Anthem
10-21-2005, 05:04 PM
If the Pacers fail this season (i.e. don't win a championship) who will go, Ron or JO??

Depends on how it happens.

Since86
10-21-2005, 05:13 PM
You want to trade everybody. Are you sure you're a fan of this team?


:laugh: :laugh:

Good thing you weren't around when Jay was still on his 15 new player rants......

Frank Slade
10-21-2005, 06:13 PM
It has been suggested that O'Neal, at various times over the past couple of seasons, was ready to join the trade-him movement, weary of all the drama and unreliability. Asked this week to address those whispers, O'Neal acknowledged that he viewed his relationship with Artest as no better than "decent" until this fall

Interesting..

Certainly some good points here. I am glad to see they are lucent enought and weary of the situation and the window of opportunity.

Obviously good intentions only go so far.. but I am certainly encouraged from what I am hearing :sunshine:

ChicagoJ
10-21-2005, 07:07 PM
:laugh: :laugh:

Good thing you weren't around when Jay was still on his 15 new player rants......

Nothing to see here.



Please keep moving.



THERE is NOTHING to see here.

Diamond Dave
10-21-2005, 07:16 PM
Nothing to see here.



Please keep moving.



THERE is NOTHING to see here.

I've gone down from 15 new players to about 5 new players. :-o

Believe_in_blue
10-21-2005, 09:37 PM
well if Ron behaves well and we don't win. I sure hope they send JO off. Since he obviously has extremely high trade value. Trade JO for a solid first round pick and someone who can "somewhat" fill in the starting PF role.

Ron Artest could easily be the primary offensive focus like Jermaine was last year. Or send Jermaine/Sjack off for a premier SG/draft pick/roleplayer...something along those lines.

This is all assuming we don't win a title.

I think if we make it to the finals, you don't split them up. Just try to find the missing link.

I'm sure some of you will want to call me stupid, but....later

I'd say that if we don't win the championship this year there isn't a whole lot of fault that can be put on Ron or JO then we don't trade either. If one of them is the problem then absolutly try to move them.

You seem to think that if we don't go to the Finals then we should just start throwing names out there to trade just to get us the best players in return. If we do that we may fix one problem but open another.

Hopefully this will be an irrelevant question at the end of the season anyway.

ChicagoJ
10-21-2005, 10:08 PM
I've gone down from 15 new players to about 5 new players. :-o


Cool. I've pretty much gone full circle. I'm back to "just subtract one guy."

Of course, that could change again when I finally get caught up with these preseason games on my TiVo... :devil:

Unclebuck
10-21-2005, 10:18 PM
I absolutely LOVED this article. And I am so happy that O'Neal is saying this, and I hope that he believes this. If he and Ron can get along, the stars are the limit. Because no matter what anyone says about team chemistry, all that matters are these 2. If these 2 get along, everyone will follow.


Great great point Suave.

Finally an article with some true insight. It presented both sides of the situation and it accurately depicts what is going on here. Kravitz needs to read this article he might learn a thing or two. If wrote something with this much insight and then he said Ron has to go, I might still disagree with him, but I would respect his opinion.

Unclebuck
10-21-2005, 10:35 PM
Here is another Mark Stein article

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp05/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2199392


Reggie's gone, but new Pacers in new places sub inBy Marc Stein
ESPN.com
Archive

INDIANAPOLIS -- Five observations from Pacers training camp:

1. Not since 1986-87: For the first time in nearly 20 years, Indiana opens a season without Reggie Miller wearing No. 31, prompting Rick Carlisle to hatch a special strategy to deal with retirement of Mr. Pacer.



Who will fill Reggie's roles of leader and clutch shooter?
"We knew it was coming, so all I can do is just try not to think about it," Carlisle said. "Because, really, what's the point?"

Valid point. Longing for Miller isn't going to bring him back, and the Pacers have too long of a list of challenges to be dwelling on sentimental stuff.

Besides ...

Jermaine O'Neal has been eager to increase his leadership load and proved it by organizing nearly all of the Pacers for informal workouts and pickup games some three weeks before training camp commenced.

"Reggie did a really good job last year to just keep reiterating that he wasn't going to be here," O'Neal said. "I don't think he let one day pass where he didn't say, 'Hey, I'm not coming back next year.' He got us ready for his departure -- especially me."

2. Filling those shoes: Miller's retirement and Ron Artest's return means Stephen Jackson will now play the position he expected to play when he joined the Pacers with a sign-and-trade in the summer of 2004.


Shooting guard.

"I'm back home," Jackson said with a wide grin.

The ex-Spur can't claim to be a marksman in Miller's class, but Jackson has experienced success on the big stage (winning a ring with San Antonio in 2003) and isn't afraid to take big shots.

Of perhaps greater importance, he'll have a size advantage against most two-guards and potentially see a lesser-class of defender when Artest is playing the small forward.

"All the big two guards are in the West," Jackson said, smiling again.

3. Granger Fever: On such a deep team -- the deepest team in the league, according to O'Neal -- Danny Granger probably won't play enough to make a real Rookie of the Year run.

But he's going to play.

The No. 17 overall pick from New Mexico, whose name rarely appears in a story without a reference to his status as "the most NBA-ready rookie" from his draft class, has apparently assured himself of a spot in Carlisle's rotation as a backup at two forward spots.

He was kind enough to show me a glimpse of the talent behind the hype (with 19 points and 15 boards in Tuesday's exhibition win over San Antonio) and has apparently been playing copious amounts of one-on-one with Artest to get ready for the real world.

"We play so much they kick us out of the gym," Artest said.

"Danny has diverse skills, and he's a terrific athlete," Carlisle said. "And he's very mature after playing four years of college. He's going to be involved."

Actually ...

Maybe he will play enough for ROY consideration.

Granger has inherited some extra minutes in the preseason because of a big-man shortage: O'Neal, Jeff Foster, David Harrison and Scot Pollard have all missed time with injuries. Only O'Neal, of the four, is expected to be ready by Opening Night, perhaps setting up Granger with an opportunity to entrench himself further.

4. My favorite Pacer: Who is it, you ask? You don't need too many guesses, do you?

I couldn't quite believe what I was watching Tuesday night when Sarunas Jasikevicius squared off against another former Maccabi Tel-Aviv point guard -- San Antonio's Beno Udrih -- but it was great to see the king of European club basketball in the NBA at last.

The Pacers like what they've seen so far, too.

"Offensively he's a very sophisticated player," said Carlisle, who then downplayed the Lithuanian's oft-cited defensive deficiencies.

"There's no question that our team is built to help guys that need help at the defensive end of the floor," Carlisle said. "I really expect [Jasikevicius] to do well. He has built a career and a reputation on being a guy who's helped teams with good talent get better. His teams in Europe always gelled and got better, and we need him to have that same effect on us here."

Yet it should be noted that the coach has similar expectations for the incumbent point guard, repeatedly raving about Jamaal Tinsley and letting it slip that "we're making a concerted effort to run more this year."

The fast break, of course, is Tinsley's department. Jasikevicius is the pick-and-roll specialist.

5. First transgression: Ron Artest was not required to make a special address to his teammates at the start of camp upon officially rejoining the Pacers following his infamous 73-game suspension.

"We didn't want to make it out to be a situation where he had to win his teammates over," O'Neal said.

However ...

Artest did have to submit an early mea culpa after the Pacers' first exhibition game. Inadvertently reminding us all of his unpredictable nature, Artest marked his first game in uniform since the Nov. 19 brawl in Detroit by telling the New York press about his plans to keep playing "like a wild animal that needs to be caged in."

Carlisle's response?

"The important thing is that comments or actions that take attention off the team have to be discouraged. If you're going to say that team unity is going to be the most important factor in your success, then that's going to have to be a must. And he understands that. He realized he was wrong for saying some things and how he played that night."

Marc Stein is the senior NBA writer for ESPN.com. To e-mail him, click here.

Unclebuck
10-21-2005, 10:37 PM
And one last article

Indiana Pacers Training Camp
Site: Conseco Fieldhouse
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Start date: October 3
2004-05 Record: 44-38, 6th in East

Roster | Schedule | Training Camp Index
Select Another TeamAtlanta HawksBoston CelticsCharlotte BobcatsChicago BullsCleveland CavaliersDallas MavericksDenver NuggetsDetroit PistonsGolden State WarriorsHouston RocketsIndiana PacersLos Angeles ClippersLos Angeles LakersMemphis GrizzliesMiami HeatMilwaukee BucksMinnesota TimberwolvesNew Jersey NetsNew Orleans HornetsNew York KnicksOrlando MagicPhiladelphia 76ersPhoenix SunsPortland Trail BlazersSacramento KingsSan Antonio SpursSeattle SuperSonicsToronto RaptorsUtah JazzWashington Wizards


Editor's Note: To preview training camp and the 2005-06 season, John Hollinger addresses three key questions concerning the Pacers.

1. Can Ron Artest be reformed?

Indiana's championship hopes effectively ended once Artest charged into the stands in Detroit. Artest was suspended for the season, and although the Pacers rebounded to make the second round of the playoffs, they never were serious contenders without his ferocious defense and expanding offensive arsenal.



The Pacers could sure use some of Ron Artest's muscle.
The goal for this season is to try to keep Artest's head straight so he doesn't do crazy, impulsive things like whack Richard Hamilton in the mask or try to go one-on-20,000 against the Palace.


Also, two things were lost in the shuffle in Artest's brief 2004-05 season.

First, the Pacers were already losing patience with Artest -- he had been suspended just days earlier for asking to take time off. Second, despite his personal issues, Artest was off to the best season of his career. He averaged 24.6 points per game in the seven contests he played and was shooting a career-best 49.6 percent.

This just raises the stakes even more for the Pacers to keep Artest grounded this season. If he behaves, they could have the best small forward this side of LeBron James. Unfortunately, Artest's track record is discouraging.



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2. How do they divvy up the minutes?

The Pacers are the deepest team in the NBA, which was a godsend a year ago when they led the league in games lost to injuries and suspensions. With so many players on the shelf, little-used subs like James Jones and Anthony Johnson were able to step in without the team missing a beat.

OFFSEASON PLAYER MOVEMENT
Players lost: Dale Davis, John Edwards, James Jones, Reggie Miller
Players added: Danny Granger, Sarunas Jasikevicius



This year, however, it could be more of a curse than a bonus.

Even with Reggie Miller retiring and Jones signing with Phoenix as a free agent, the Pacers have 13 players who could reasonably expect to see minutes this season. Since only 12 can even suit up, it's going to create some serious friction if the team stays healthy.

Things seem particularly tight in the backcourt, where newly signed Sarunas Jasikevicius joins a guard rotation that already includes Stephen Jackson, Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson and Jamaal Tinsley.

Similar scenarios are emerging at small forward (Artest, rookie Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender) and at center (Jeff Foster, Scot Pollard and David Harrison).

Thus, Rick Carlisle's greatest challenge this year may be keeping all the egos in check so that grumbling from the end of the bench doesn't undermine the team's cause. This is especially true now that franchise icon Reggie Miller isn't around to keep order in the clubhouse.



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3. Will the big three stay healthy?

Indiana has been eliminated by Detroit in the playoffs in consecutive seasons, and both times the Pacers weren't operating at 100 percent.

While Indiana's depth helps it withstand injuries better than most, it needs its three star players -- Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Tinsley -- to be fully functional in order to challenge for the title. Two years ago Tinsley limped through the playoffs on a bad hamstring while O'Neal tweaked his knee; last year O'Neal hurt his shoulder and Tinsley had a foot problem. Artest, of course, disqualified himself with his antics last season and might do so again.

This also presents Carlisle with an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. He can keep his reserves happy and his studs healthier by limiting the minutes Tinsley and O'Neal play until the playoffs begin. This is especially true in Tinsley's case, since Carlisle has three point guards to share the load. With Tinsley missing 72 games over the past two seasons, in addition to several playoff contests, limiting him to 25 minutes a night while keeping him fresh for the postseason is imperative.

If this is the year the Pacers break through and win the East, they'll need to avoid crippling injuries in April and May.

John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. His new book, "Pro Basketball Forecast: 2005-06," is now available at both Amazon.com and Potomac Books, Inc

Indiana Pacers Training Camp
Site: Conseco Fieldhouse
Location: Indianapolis, IN
Start date: October 3
2004-05 Record: 44-38, 6th in East

Roster | Schedule | Training Camp Index
Select Another TeamAtlanta HawksBoston CelticsCharlotte BobcatsChicago BullsCleveland CavaliersDallas MavericksDenver NuggetsDetroit PistonsGolden State WarriorsHouston RocketsIndiana PacersLos Angeles ClippersLos Angeles LakersMemphis GrizzliesMiami HeatMilwaukee BucksMinnesota TimberwolvesNew Jersey NetsNew Orleans HornetsNew York KnicksOrlando MagicPhiladelphia 76ersPhoenix SunsPortland Trail BlazersSacramento KingsSan Antonio SpursSeattle SuperSonicsToronto RaptorsUtah JazzWashington Wizards


Editor's Note: To preview training camp and the 2005-06 season, John Hollinger addresses three key questions concerning the Pacers.

1. Can Ron Artest be reformed?

Indiana's championship hopes effectively ended once Artest charged into the stands in Detroit. Artest was suspended for the season, and although the Pacers rebounded to make the second round of the playoffs, they never were serious contenders without his ferocious defense and expanding offensive arsenal.



The Pacers could sure use some of Ron Artest's muscle.
The goal for this season is to try to keep Artest's head straight so he doesn't do crazy, impulsive things like whack Richard Hamilton in the mask or try to go one-on-20,000 against the Palace.


Also, two things were lost in the shuffle in Artest's brief 2004-05 season.

First, the Pacers were already losing patience with Artest -- he had been suspended just days earlier for asking to take time off. Second, despite his personal issues, Artest was off to the best season of his career. He averaged 24.6 points per game in the seven contests he played and was shooting a career-best 49.6 percent.

This just raises the stakes even more for the Pacers to keep Artest grounded this season. If he behaves, they could have the best small forward this side of LeBron James. Unfortunately, Artest's track record is discouraging.



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2. How do they divvy up the minutes?

The Pacers are the deepest team in the NBA, which was a godsend a year ago when they led the league in games lost to injuries and suspensions. With so many players on the shelf, little-used subs like James Jones and Anthony Johnson were able to step in without the team missing a beat.

OFFSEASON PLAYER MOVEMENT
Players lost: Dale Davis, John Edwards, James Jones, Reggie Miller
Players added: Danny Granger, Sarunas Jasikevicius



This year, however, it could be more of a curse than a bonus.

Even with Reggie Miller retiring and Jones signing with Phoenix as a free agent, the Pacers have 13 players who could reasonably expect to see minutes this season. Since only 12 can even suit up, it's going to create some serious friction if the team stays healthy.

Things seem particularly tight in the backcourt, where newly signed Sarunas Jasikevicius joins a guard rotation that already includes Stephen Jackson, Fred Jones, Anthony Johnson and Jamaal Tinsley.

Similar scenarios are emerging at small forward (Artest, rookie Danny Granger and Jonathan Bender) and at center (Jeff Foster, Scot Pollard and David Harrison).

Thus, Rick Carlisle's greatest challenge this year may be keeping all the egos in check so that grumbling from the end of the bench doesn't undermine the team's cause. This is especially true now that franchise icon Reggie Miller isn't around to keep order in the clubhouse.



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3. Will the big three stay healthy?

Indiana has been eliminated by Detroit in the playoffs in consecutive seasons, and both times the Pacers weren't operating at 100 percent.

While Indiana's depth helps it withstand injuries better than most, it needs its three star players -- Artest, Jermaine O'Neal and Tinsley -- to be fully functional in order to challenge for the title. Two years ago Tinsley limped through the playoffs on a bad hamstring while O'Neal tweaked his knee; last year O'Neal hurt his shoulder and Tinsley had a foot problem. Artest, of course, disqualified himself with his antics last season and might do so again.

This also presents Carlisle with an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone. He can keep his reserves happy and his studs healthier by limiting the minutes Tinsley and O'Neal play until the playoffs begin. This is especially true in Tinsley's case, since Carlisle has three point guards to share the load. With Tinsley missing 72 games over the past two seasons, in addition to several playoff contests, limiting him to 25 minutes a night while keeping him fresh for the postseason is imperative.

If this is the year the Pacers break through and win the East, they'll need to avoid crippling injuries in April and May.

John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider. His new book, "Pro Basketball Forecast: 2005-06," is now available at both Amazon.com and Potomac Books, Inc



http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/trainingcamp05/news/story?page=overview05/pacers

SoupIsGood
10-21-2005, 11:42 PM
I think Rick is looking for Danny to fill Al's shoes. If he plays well, he will get plenty of time, certainly enough for ROY consideration.

However......


if Harrison impresses like I think he well, it might be a bit harder to find Danny minutes.

Kegboy
10-23-2005, 06:58 AM
It's nice to see Stein finally repping our depth. For years he used to say our great depth was all hype, but he mea culpa'd post-11/19.