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Diamond Dave
09-21-2005, 07:27 PM
Did we really need two? Could we have not just gone with Edge, Carthon and one of these guys?

Which by the way, why is Edge needing to take so many plays off? I mean I could understand if he drove us down the field by himself like last game if he need say 2 or 3 plays off but he seems to be taking more off this year.

Suaveness
09-21-2005, 08:17 PM
Edge is taken out because he just isn't good with short yardage plays.

Diamond Dave
09-21-2005, 08:22 PM
Edge is taken out because he just isn't good with short yardage plays.

I disagree, our line isn't good in short yardage situations. In goaline stands, they backs very rarely matter.

Diamond Dave
09-21-2005, 08:50 PM
I'd like to see Dungy try Raheem Brock out at FB on the goaline, like NE does with Richard Seymor. Brock's got the size and athleticism to do it I think.

McClintic Sphere
09-21-2005, 09:20 PM
I'd like to see more Ran Carthon

pizza guy
09-21-2005, 10:24 PM
The defense is playing exceptionally well despite Corey Simon, and Polian gets credit for that

Despite? How about because of Corey Simon. He's the gap-clogging, block-taking, fat man we needed. He may be a little overweight right now, but, he's our "Warren Sapp" if you will.

Anyways, back to the RB topic. We got two because we've lost two. Mungro and Rhodes are both sidelined, so, we got two guys to fill their gaps. I would've liked Q. Griff for the Colts, he could be a good return guy, but he probably wouldn't like being with the Colts.

I've always wondered why we don't use a FB. A human wrecking ball to clear the way on short yardage and goalline. We can use our TEs if we want, but, usually we use Mungro. Mungro isn't the worst, but, he's HALF the size of Edge. He did place a nice block on Ray Lewis in game one, but, man, he's like 190 lbs. We need a bowling ball of a man in at FB for short yardage.

But, maybe there's a reason Tom Moore gets paid for those decisions, and not me.

Frank Slade
09-21-2005, 10:37 PM
Right as good as this offense has been Goal Line Stands with no real Blocking
Fullback is evident at times.

Diamond Dave
09-22-2005, 12:49 AM
Sorry. There's a difference between what he could do in theory, and what he's actually done on the field.

He's been there for a few plays a game. He's stood there and been nice and fat. But he sure as hell hasn't been even a fraction of the reason this defense is playing like it has been.

50 pounds ago he could make a diffference. And hopefully, by January, he'll be the kind of DT you just described. But he certainly isn't now. And he hasn't been the first two games. He actually played less in Week 2 than he did in Week 1. Sure, he's been very similar to Warren Sapp. If you mean the 30 pound overwieght Sapp currently playing Oakland.

The guy hasn't been on the roster that long, so he deserves a break. I'm not criticizing him for what he's done in the first two games, as no one could have expected any more. But I refuse to give him credit where credit isn't due. He's been a solid veteran voice in the locker room, one that was needed on the D, but his impact certainly hasn't translated anywhere beyond that.

While I'll agree he has not been a huge playmaker yet, I can see him have an impact when he is in the game. He has not had the sacks or tackles, but I've seen him help create pressure and sacks. I re-watch the plays to see his effectiveness and have seen him clog the entire middle not allowing QB's escape the sack by running.

I have yet to see him not win a one-on-one battle at least in the shoving dept. The Guard or Center is always going backwards, and whether he cets the stop or not he is still a force. And he will only get better, but he will never have the great statistics. The DE will end up with most of the sacks and the linebackers with most of the tackles, but they will get those tackles closer to the LOS than ever before thanks in large part to Simon.

Suaveness
09-22-2005, 01:07 AM
I saw the first game, and I agree with Btown, I just don't seem as a difference. He hasn't really played enough as it is. The ends have been the main reason for the better run support and pass rush. Tripplett was terrific in game 1, Reagor in 2. Those 2 are the reasons why we have done well, not Simon from what I've seen. I know he will make a difference when he gets in shape. I mean, he was 30-50 lbs overweight, though he's lost about 20 or so. Once he gets about 300 and plays enough, he will help. And I doubt he will have a problem doing that or helping the team.

Diamond Dave
09-22-2005, 01:08 AM
I've rewatched it, and I haven't seen that.

I WANT to see it, but he's not there. Yet.

Okay, but then how do you explain the better run defense?

Diamond Dave
09-22-2005, 01:09 AM
I saw the first game, and I agree with Btown, I just don't seem as a difference. He hasn't really played enough as it is. The ends have been the main reason for the better run support and pass rush. Tripplett was terrific in game 1, Reagor in 2. Those 2 are the reasons why we have done well, not Simon from what I've seen. I know he will make a difference when he gets in shape. I mean, he was 30-50 lbs overweight, though he's lost about 20 or so. Once he gets about 300 and plays enough, he will help. And I doubt he will have a problem doing that or helping the team.

The man does need to lose some weight, but I still don't think he has performed poorly. Like I said, I have yet to see him lose a one on one battle with a guard or center.

Suaveness
09-22-2005, 01:10 AM
Tripplett, beyond my or anyone else's imagination, has gotten MUCH better. It showed in the preseason as well, and game 1 he was a monster. He spent time losing weight to gain the speed necessary, and he played the run well against Baltimore.

pizza guy
09-22-2005, 01:14 AM
Think back to last season, heck, this preseason. Think of the RBs that got the handoff and were already stiff-arming LBs. There was absolutely no disruption at the line. Yes, our D-line was injured during the preseason, that's why I said last season as well.

Now, think of Jamal Lewis and Fred Taylor taking a handoff, stopping, changing direction and getting stuffed at the line.

Now, look in the middle of that same line and see the HUGE #97. That's Corey Simon.

He's not getting all the tackles, we have faster guys that will get most of them. But, at the LOS, RBs have to stop and think about it for a second, thus improving our run D.

I know, his developement is not complete in our system. And I know that he's not the only reason for our improvement. But, he's one 320 lb. reason that it's better.

Suaveness
09-22-2005, 01:35 AM
No it isn't. He is not the reason. We are stop the running simply because we have gotten better. Like I said, Tripplett made an effort to be a use for this team and shed quite a bit of weight. He along with the rest of the line have been much better this year. Simon hasn't even been on for most of the plays, probably about half of them. He really is not there YET.

SoupIsGood
09-22-2005, 08:38 AM
I agree that Simon hasn't been great, although I didn't really think he has been bad so far. He has looked pretty average.

BluBlood
09-22-2005, 08:46 AM
I would definitely say our success at stopping the run is due to our linebackers. Am i the only one who sees these guys absolutely fly around the field? I love our linebackers (did i just say that?). Having Big Bob Sanders and Mike Doss doesnt hurt our run defense either.

Simon is definitely a disruptive presence. But i agree with Btown, that's about all.

The success of our defensive line can be attributed directly to Freeney.

pizza guy
09-22-2005, 08:46 AM
I didn't say he was the sole reason, just that when he is in, he helps the run.

I know Tripp lost some weight, and he's been playing quite well. Freeney has even played the run fairly well. But why all of a sudden, is Gary Brackett not a liability against the run? Because he's got a fat man taking the blockers that would normally have been at the second level.

Not the whole answer, not a single savior of our team. But, an important piece of our puzzle, and a key part of our improvement.

RWB
09-22-2005, 08:52 AM
Because he's got a fat man taking the blockers that would normally have been at the second level.


Agreed. How many times last year did we see the middle open up like parting of the seas? Also we do need to pray every day that Brackett stays healthy and keeps Rawb on the bench.

BigDawg44
09-22-2005, 10:02 AM
i say our improved run defense is a team effort......there everybody is happy! haha

pizza guy
09-22-2005, 01:34 PM
And i'm not ignoring that the team has improved. I am very happy with Gary B. as our MLB in place of Rob. Brackett is faster, it's a plus for our defense.

I suppose it would be more appropriate to attribute the defense's improvement to the entire D-line. Tripp is much better, Reagor was very impressive, Mathis excels in the nickle situations, and of course Freeney is a freak.

Would the defense be good without Simon? Better than last year, that's for sure. Will we be better with him? Definetly. I know, he's only playing 25-30 snaps, and he's not the only reason our D improved. But, he is pushing his lineman back, collapsing the pocket, causing the runner to pause. He doesn't look All-World, don't mistake what I'm saying. The defense altogether does. But it's not all because of Simon, that's not what I'm trying to convey.

So, yes, our LBs improved, our secondary improved, and our D-line improved. I think some of it is a result of having Simon. Individually, they're better. Together, they're better.

**Isn't it great to argue over what makes the Colts' defense good?