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Pacerman157
08-26-2005, 09:22 PM
im an eagles fan and T.O. had 5 catches for 131 yds and a td
in only 1 half of play
1st play of game was a 64 yard td catch by T.O.
what do you think about that colts fans :laugh:

Lord Helmet
08-26-2005, 09:27 PM
Thats nice.

travmil
08-26-2005, 09:43 PM
what do you think about that colts fans :laugh:

If he can do that about 150 more times over the remainder of his career, he might catch up to Marvin's numbers.

And I thought I'd let you know that you've misquoted the song lyric in your signature.

Pacerman157
08-26-2005, 09:53 PM
woops i cant believe id did that

pacercoltfan
08-26-2005, 10:00 PM
im an eagles fan and T.O. had 5 catches for 131 yds and a td
in only 1 half of play
1st play of game was a 64 yard td catch by T.O.
what do you think about that colts fans :laugh:

Um ok. That's good. :)

Pacerman157
08-26-2005, 10:01 PM
hes only had three more td's T.O. has had running qb's

Pacerman157
08-26-2005, 10:03 PM
im gonn here about that too much tommorow though

travmil
08-26-2005, 10:23 PM
hes only had three more td's T.O. has had running qb's

Try looking up catches and yards. Marvin is FAR ahead in both. Plus Marvin isn't a douchebag, but then we've ran this discussion into the ground before....

Pacerman157
08-26-2005, 10:48 PM
marvin is probably a little better and especcialy with attitude
but with all T.O. said its awesome what happened

Believe_in_blue
08-26-2005, 11:32 PM
What kind of reaction did TO get from the crowd when he was first introduced? Did they cheer him after that first catch?

Lord Helmet
08-26-2005, 11:42 PM
marvin is probably a little better and especcialy with attitude
but with all T.O. said its awesome what happened
Yeah, it's pretty neat our star QB and WR's actually talk to each other...........

Jermaniac
08-26-2005, 11:44 PM
TO and McNabb where talking to each other on the field too.

Lord Helmet
08-26-2005, 11:46 PM
TO and McNabb where talking to each other on the field too.
That's good to hear.


Maybe T.O. will stop being an ***, now.


I'm just glad I don't have to deal with that.

Pacers#1Fan
08-27-2005, 12:16 AM
marvin is probably a little better and especcialy with attitude
but with all T.O. said its awesome what happenedA little better my ***. Marvin is alot better. How often do your hear Marvin running his mouth? How often does he demand higher contracts? Have you ever heard the expretion "don't bring a knife to a gun fight". In this case I think T.O. is the knife and Marvin is the AK47.

Lord Helmet
08-27-2005, 12:31 AM
Marivin and T.O. are both great WR's, don't get me wrong.

It's just one is a douche and one isn't.

Pacers#1Fan
08-27-2005, 12:32 AM
Marivin and T.O. are both great WR's, don't get me wrong.

It's just one is a douche and one isn't.Yep.

Pacers#1Fan
08-27-2005, 09:44 AM
As an Eagle fan, could you tell me what it's like following a team that plays in a conference that couldn't even quailfy as a JV league? And knowing at the end of the day, even if they go 16-0, the best they can hope for is losing in the Super Bowl?That is a very good question.

Stryder
08-27-2005, 11:23 AM
Marvin Harrison

845 receptions
11,185 yards
80.5 yards receiving per game
13.2 yards per reception
98 touchdowns
10 fumbles
5 lost fumbles
139 games

Terrell Owens

669 receptions
9,772 yards
72.4 yards receiving per game
14.6 yards per reception
95 touchdowns
9 fumbles
6 lost fumbles
135 games

Both receivers were drafted and began playing in 1996.

Stryder
08-27-2005, 11:36 AM
Also, look at Reggie Wayne's stats from last year vs. TO's stats from last year...

Mighty similar...

Colts #2 WR vs. Eagles #1 WR


Reggie Wayne

77 receptions
1210 yards
12 TD's
75.6 yards receiving per game
15.7 yards average per reception
0 fumbles
16 games played

Terrell Owens

77 receptions
1200 yards
85.7 yards receiving per game
15.6 yards average per reception
14 TD's
2 fumbles
1 lost fumble
14 games played

dipperdunk
08-27-2005, 12:17 PM
As an Eagle fan, could you tell me what it's like following a team that plays in a conference that couldn't even quailfy as a JV league? And knowing at the end of the day, even if they go 16-0, the best they can hope for is losing in the Super Bowl?


Hey, go easy Btown I still lurk here man. :D

I don't agree with the premise of this thread so I won't touch the T.O. issue as I would like to see the Eagles get rid of him. I would take Harrison any day of the week over T.O.

But I have to take issue with the bolded part of your statement.

The Eagles have no control over the fact that the rest of their conference is weak and that shouldn't reflect poorly on the Eagles. Remember for the most part this Eagles team has the same core only it is better than their teams that played in the NFC Championship games against the Rams and Tampa Bay both who went on to beat the AFC in the Super Bowl. Tampa Bay crushed the AFC team 48-21.

This Eagles team isn't just slightly better than the rest of the NFC they absolutely dominated the NFC with huge wins for the most part last season. There was a game late in the season where they had like 45 points against Green Bay with 8 minutes still remaining in the 3rd quarter.

They would dominate most of the AFC teams as well with the exception of Pitt,Indy and NE.

The Bengals were 8-8 last year in the AFC and both teams played their starters for the 1st half last night and the Eagles were up 27-3 at half time and were just toying with the Bengals. If it was a normal game you would probably be looking at about a 45-10 Eagles win.

Also it isn't like the AFC has been dominate in the Super Bowl recently all (3) New England wins were by just 3 points and they are the class of the AFC. Two of those wins were on last minute field goals so the NFC has more than held their own in those games.

The Eagles were probably better than the Tampa Bay team they lost to in the NFC Championship game in Philly and that Tampa Bay team went on to crush the AFC in the Super Bowl.

They probably can't beat New England but there hasn't been a team in the AFC that could beat New England. They lost to the Pats by just 3 points despite the fact that McNabb had an uncharacteristic game with 4 interceptions.

I think you have the Pats than you have the 2nd tier teams which consist of the Eagles,Colts and Steelers. There might be a surprise team or two every year that jumps up but pretty much after those top 4 teams you have a league filled with below average or bad teams.

Is it tougher to get to the Super Bowl from the AFC? Sure because you have 3 elite teams one of them a dynasty and it is tougher to get home field advantage.

But I disagree when you say the Eagles have no shot if they get to the Super Bowl because they have already competed against NFC teams in the Conference Title games that went on to win it. Had Pittsburgh beat New England last year there is no telling how a rookie like Ben would have handled the pressure of the Super Bowl and the Eagles defense forced a veteran like Brady into multiple mistakes so they would have had a terrific chance of beating Pittsburgh.

pacercoltfan
08-27-2005, 12:19 PM
The more I hear about T.O. whining and crying, the more I like Marvin. Yeah T.O. is good and one of the best however IMO Marvin is the better of the two. How many times do we hear Marvin whining and crying? Marvin lets his onfield actions speak for himself.

Of course I'm biased anyway just look at my sig.;)


MARVIN IS THE MAN!:goponies: :highfive:

heywoode
08-27-2005, 12:33 PM
Count me as a member of the "TO is a douchebag" brigade.....

Oh, and he couldn't carry Marvin's jockstrap...

Pacerman157
08-27-2005, 02:42 PM
i never said t o was better than marvin
i never even said the name marvin
all im saying is that is amazing for the eagles

Pacerman157
08-27-2005, 02:47 PM
by the way ill say myself T.O. is a douchebag

travmil
08-27-2005, 07:14 PM
i never said t o was better than marvin
i never even said the name marvin
all im saying is that is amazing for the eagles

No, you asked what we thought of TO as Colts fans. Due to the fact that we get to see Marvin on a weekly basis, we're not terribly impressed. Ask fans of a team who don't have the best receiving coprs in football what they think of TO if all you want are positive answers.

Jermaniac
08-28-2005, 02:16 AM
TO based on playing football > Marvin Harrison, but if you throw in all the **** that the Eagles have to put up with from TO then Marvin is better.

Stryder
08-29-2005, 07:27 AM
TO based on playing football > Marvin Harrison

I know it's just an opinion, but how did you come to your conclusion?

travmil
08-29-2005, 07:58 AM
I know it's just an opinion, but how did you come to your conclusion?

It must be because TO's career numbers dwarf Marvin's. Oh wait, no it's the other way around.

Since86
08-29-2005, 02:33 PM
hes only had three more td's T.O. has had running qb's

Never knew Steve Young and Jeff Garcia were the forerunners for McNabb and Vick. :rolleyes:

travmil
08-29-2005, 02:50 PM
I understand that Marvin has had the benefit of outstanding QB play for his entire career, and that TO hasn't. However, I think it evens out because Marvin isn't 6'3" with a freakish vertical leap. Marvin's player page on NFL.com lists him at 6' even. I've met the man in person and let's just say, I doubt it. I'm 6' and he's not a hair over 5'9".

The way that Marvin plays is very different from the way that TO plays. TO beats you with athletic ability. He leaps between double coverage and still hauls down his share of balls. Marvin doesn't have that advantage, so he has to beat you with speed (people forget that Marvin ran the fastest 40 in this draft class), deception, and crisp routes. All in all, it takes a much better football player to beat you the way that Marvin does. If TO would make the effort to couple his natural athletic gifts with Marvin's approach to the game, he'd be an unstoppable force. But he won't, and isn't.

Since86
08-29-2005, 02:56 PM
I mean, the Colts 2nd reciever put up the same numbers as T.O.

This will be the only positive comment I'll give to TO.

He put up those numbers in 12(?) wks, whereas Reggie played 15 1/2. I say 1/2 because the Denver game was a practice walk through for the starters.

Stryder
08-29-2005, 02:57 PM
This will be the only positive comment I'll give to TO.

He put up those numbers in 12(?) wks, whereas Reggie played 15 1/2. I say 1/2 because the Denver game was a practice walk through for the starters.

TO played in 14 games...

Stryder
08-29-2005, 02:58 PM
I understand that Marvin has had the benefit of outstanding QB play for his entire career, and that TO hasn't. However, I think it evens out because Marvin isn't 6'3" with a freakish vertical leap. Marvin's player page on NFL.com lists him at 6' even. I've met the man in person and let's just.

I have seen him also. I am taller then he is. I'm 5ft11.

Since86
08-29-2005, 03:13 PM
I'm aware of that (though TO played in 14 games).

But also consider that the Colts starters barely played past halftime in at least 4 games, and stopped throwing downfield after half in 2 or 3 others.

T.O. played fewer total games. But the Eagles didn't suffer without him. And Reggie certainly didn't play in 16 full games either.


I thought it was fewer than that.

Also to be fair, he didn't have any other WRs to compete with because Pinkston and Mitchell blow. Plus, Westbrook(?) doesn't demand as many carrys as Edge either.

dipperdunk
08-29-2005, 03:49 PM
Marvin is clearly better than TO. However, Owens is a terrific wide reciever that you shouldn't really judge on his stats with the Eagles because they run a traditional 49ers style west coast offense and really spread the ball out to everyone. It's very common for the Eagles to have 9 or 10 different players catch passes during a game.

Andy Reid loves to spread the ball around and throw to his running backs like the 49ers did with Roger Craig and Ricky Watters. TO definitely isn't the only recieving threat on the Eagles just look at Brian Westbrook's numbers out of the backfield in just 13 games he caught 73 passes for over 700 yards last season.

They had like 10 or 11 players catch at least 9 passes last season it's just a different offensive philosophy so there won't ever be an Eagle reciever under Andy Reid that puts up huge numbers because of his offensive system.

Owens is a talented reciever and probably a top 3 reciever in the league he is just a selfish bonehead off the field and sometimes on the field as well with some of his antics.

Since86
08-29-2005, 03:56 PM
Marvin is clearly better than TO. However, Owens is a terrific wide reciever that you shouldn't really judge on his stats with the Eagles because they run a traditional 49ers style west coast offense and really spread the ball out to everyone. It's very common for the Eagles to have 9 or 10 different players catch passes during a game.

The Colts had 3 WRs with over 1000 yds each, not to mention 2 legit starting TEs, and a very good route running rb.

dipperdunk
08-29-2005, 04:31 PM
The Colts had 3 WRs with over 1000 yds each, not to mention 2 legit starting TEs, and a very good route running rb.

That is my point. The Colts in their passing game mainly throw to their wide recievers and tight ends which makes sense because of their great depth at those positions. I don't get to see many Colts games but I'm guessing they must run alot of 3 wide reciever sets and let Manning audible and pick apart the coverage.

Their offensive passing system is totally different than the Eagles because the Eagles include the running backs more heavily in the passing game so the Eagles wideouts won't get as many passes thrown their way as the Colts wideouts so Owens' stats won't be as good. The Colts had 353 receptions last season and only 60 of those were caught by running backs/full backs conversely the Eagles had less total catches but threw the ball to their running backs almost twice as much as the Colts with a total of
109 catches out of their backfield.

Colts 353 catches 60 from their running backs

Eagles 336 catches 109 from their running backs

As you can see the Eagles throw way more often to their running backs which would hurt Owen's numbers if you put him on the Colts who don't throw nearly as often to their backs than his numbers would be higher.

Both offenses work and were terrific last season I'm just pointing out that the Eagles system passes the ball way more often to their backs. The tight ends of both teams caught about the same amount of passes last season it was just that the Colts throw way more often to their wide recievers than the Eagles do.

Since86
08-29-2005, 04:43 PM
Both offenses work and were terrific last season I'm just pointing out that the Eagles system passes the ball way more often to their backs. The tight ends of both teams caught about the same amount of passes last season it was just that the Colts throw way more often to their wide recievers than the Eagles do.


I understand. I was just saying that McNabb looks almost exclusively towards TO when in a WR passing set whereas Peyton has 3 high quality routes to chose from, and has to spread the ball around to them to keep them happy. The Eagles have to use their backs more frequently to keep the defenses honest. I doubt many teams were worried that Pinkston and Mitchell were going to burn them.

Pacerman157
08-30-2005, 04:50 PM
i never said he was the best in the history of the game
where did you come up with that btown?

Since86
08-30-2005, 04:54 PM
i never said he was the best in the history of the game
where did you come up with that btown?


I think it has to do with the fact that your last line in the starting post was "What do you think about that Colts fans? :laugh: "

People usually get defensive when you attack.