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I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

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  • I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

    Make Dale Davis guard him every game.

    It was fun to watch Dale & Al go at it. It was like watching grasshopper & the master go head to head. Several times in the second quarter Al could not get what he wanted on the offensive end because Dale just disrupted him. But then Al finally broke free for a shot.

    Lots of fun there.

    BTW, I want to hear it from some of you. Al had a great game, for the most part, & I think since people are so quick to complain about him that it is only fair that when he has a good game it should be mentioned.

    Al did great on Zach Randolph. In the 4th when Al "pulled the chair" on Zach he made him look beyond foolish. So foolish in fact that he acted like he twisted his ankle & then once the other players ran down the court he got up & ran just fine.

    BTW, I know that I am biased here, but damn Dale did great in a very short time span. Solid pick after solid pick along with suprising perimater defense, which I was shocked to see Dale switch to the wing. Something he did not do a lot of here in Indiana.

    God if there was only some way he could return. I miss Dale

    Moving on.

    Can we all agree on something? Can we all agree that height & size do not make up for skill & ability?

    I say that to say this. Why do we insist on playing the "Pollard must play because of his size & matchups" vs. some teams?

    Austin Croshere is just a better player. He will give you more points & probably as many rebounds a game as Pollard in the same time. But Austin gives much more, as he proved in last nights game.

    While I'm on it can I say that whenever anybody wants to ask me about Foster & his defense I will point to his defense on Zach Randolph. He couldn't guard him without fouling.

    Physical defense does not mean fouling. Al played very physical defense vs. Zach & did well, Jeff tried & did not.

    He is good vs. some players but there are those he can't guard.

    Of course seeing him & Dale Davis on the same floor didn't help me any so in reality I should just not say anything about it.

    Has there ever been a player that has disrupted our team in less time on the floor than what Theo Ratliff does. Every since he was back in Detroit the guy has just caused our team to adjust on the offensive end. He blocked 7 shots & altered 8 others. To bad he can't do much of anything else & that his knee's have always been a problem cause the guy can really disrupt us.

    BTW, if Artest deserves suspension then so does Ratliff. He threw a deliberate elbow to O'Neals face when they were falling out of bounds chasing a loose ball. To O'Neals credit he just turned & walked away.

    No matter where Reggie Miller fits into the overall scheme of the N.B.A.'s all-time players one thing I beleive for sure. Nobody has hit so many well timed shots to suck the life out of the opponet like Reggie has. It's not just game winning shots, but shots that alter a game like the three he hit tonight.

    Ok, let's discuss the Artest thing. I'll be honest I didn't see it happen live. I saw Anderson on the deck but didn't know what happened. I came home read on here about Ron maybe being suspended & was shocked. Then I went & watched my tivo'd game on ESPN & saw it.

    I don't know. It could have been just an acident. But it could have been on purpose as well.

    If it was an accident then no big deal.

    If he did this on purpose it goes one step further as to why I can't close my eyes & root blindly for the guy. If he did it on purpose it goes further to point out to me the guy is nothing but a bully.

    Notice he never does this stuff to somebody like Zach, Theo or even Ruben. He goes & hits the rail thin Anderson. I won't even mention Dale in this because we all know that that would be the last time Ron did anything like that ever again because Dale would kill him.

    Why doesn't Ron ever do this stuff to people who are his own size or bigger?

    Actually if he did it on purpose, why does he do this stuff at all?

    But I will not gripe about it to much because I'm still not sure it was on purpose.

    Other than that, great game. Great win & the Pacers should feel very proud.


    Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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    Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

    Why doesn't Ron ever do this stuff to people who are his own size or bigger?
    Because he doesn't do it on purpose. He's not targeting people.

    BTW, if you didn't see, Ron also went and apologized to Anderson while he was sitting holding his eye. Said something and patted his head.

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      Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

      Ok, let's discuss the Artest thing. I'll be honest I didn't see it happen live. I saw Anderson on the deck but didn't know what happened. I came home read on here about Ron maybe being suspended & was shocked. Then I went & watched my tivo'd game on ESPN & saw it.

      I don't know. It could have been just an acident. But it could have been on purpose as well.

      If it was an accident then no big deal.

      If he did this on purpose it goes one step further as to why I can't close my eyes & root blindly for the guy. If he did it on purpose it goes further to point out to me the guy is nothing but a bully.

      Notice he never does this stuff to somebody like Zach, Theo or even Ruben. He goes & hits the rail thin Anderson. I won't even mention Dale in this because we all know that that would be the last time Ron did anything like that ever again because Dale would kill him.

      Why doesn't Ron ever do this stuff to people who are his own size or bigger?

      Actually if he did it on purpose, why does he do this stuff at all?

      But I will not gripe about it to much because I'm still not sure it was on purpose.

      Other than that, great game. Great win & the Pacers should feel very proud.

      From one angle, it looked like an accident. From another angle, it looked intentional. I don't know myself. If it was intentional, then he's a good actor with the way he just went about his business immediately afterward. If it was on purpose, the guy has to be reprimanded. I'm all for physical play, but if we allow players to throw punches and elbows, we're no better than the NHL. Guess we'll never know.

      By the way, for what it's worth, I think Ron could take Dale.

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        Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

        Yea, I saw that.

        Like I said, I'm not convinced it was on purpose.


        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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          Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....


          By the way, for what it's worth, I think Ron could take Dale.
          Fairly easy, Ron's a trained boxer, and Dale only outweighs him 252 to 246.

          Which brings back this earlier though. I think Al was scared/leary of Ron last year that's why he took some boxing lessons himself in the off season. Just in case.

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            Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

            Peck, I was in 100% agreement with everything you were saying, until your comment about Foster, but we've discussed that so often, no need to now.

            Moving on

            AL was outstanding, one of his best games of the season.

            On Ronnie, after giving that play more thought.
            Was it on purpose? Yes and no. Yes he raised his elbow on purpose, yes he used his elbow on purpose, as all NBA players do, yes he used his elbow to clear himslef on purpose, but I don't think he hit Anderson on the face on purpose. Heck, he almost took out Reggie

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              Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

              Peck, I was in 100% agreement with everything you were saying, until your comment about Foster, but we've discussed that so often, no need to now. Moving on

              AL was outstanding, one of his best games of the season.

              On Ronnie, after giving that play more thought.
              Was it on purpose? Yes and no. Yes he raised his elbow on purpose, yes he used his elbow on purpose, as all NBA players do, yes he used his elbow to clear himslef on purpose, but I don't think he hit Anderson on the face on purpose. Heck, he almost took out Reggie
              I don't want to debate this again either at this time but I guess I have to ask.

              Did you honestly think Jeff Foster played a good game last night?

              Again, it probably was because he was within 1,000 miles of Dale but he just looked small and insignificant last night. 4 fouls in 14 min.

              But I guess we can at least be happy we agree about Al & Croshere for a change.


              Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                By the way, for what it's worth, I think Ron could take Dale.
                For what it's worth, so do I. I do not believe Dale is a trained boxer. Ron is.

                Back in the Rudy T./Kermit Washington era, according to John Finstein's book, one of the toughest and most feared guy in the league was little Calvin Murphy: Because he was the best fist fighter.

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                  Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                  In all fairness to Foster, he caught a couple of really strange ticky-tack fouls. I didn't see the first half, but Al and Quinn were saying that Jeff was playing Randolph very well while he was in the game.

                  I am still not a Croshere fan, but there can be no doubt that he can do many more things than Pollard can. The only question is this. Can the presence of Pollard or Foster on the floor keep Jermaine from picking up extra fouls, thus bringing his minutes down? If Croshere can guard the center, then fine, but I do not think that Croshere can guard most centers effectively.

                  Our team is predicated on our defense. When we play at our best, we wear the opponent down for three quarters and then pick them apart late in the 4th. The argument for Pollard is that he is part of the wearing down process and his actual production is not as important as the impact he makes on the player he is defending.

                  The Portland game is a perfect example of the classic Pacers game this season. We build a big lead...squander it to the point that the opponent evens it up and then we start to pull it out again in the fourth until Reggie closes the deal with a 3 with a minute left.

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                    Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                    I don't want to debate this again either at this time but I guess I have to ask.

                    Did you honestly think Jeff Foster played a good game last night?

                    Again, it probably was because he was within 1,000 miles of Dale but he just looked small and insignificant last night. 4 fouls in 14 min.
                    Did you honestly think Dale Davis played a good game last night?

                    He just looked slow and old. 3 rebounds in 10 minutes.

                    But, we can discuss how good he would be taking Pollards 4 minutes.

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                      Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                      Just my 2 cents about the game last night:

                      Al played great on the defensive end and hit a lot of timely and tough shots. On the other hand, I've never seen him fumble the ball more than he did tonight. It was almost like he was thinking about the shooting before he got control of the ball. Still, he had a great game.

                      Reggie was awesome last night. He ran the break and his defense of Anderson was solid. He forced him to take tough shots.

                      For the love of all that is sacred, keep Pollard on the bench. Give all of his possible minutes to Croshere. It's not even fair to compare the two and the impact they have on the game. There's a reason Polly stayed nailed to the bence during last year's playoffs... and it's not because of injury.

                      Now on to Artest. The play happened so fast that I'd venture to say that very few people even saw what happened. I don't even think the referee saw it. Ron tried to get his arm up and over Anderson to avoid plowing into him with his shoulder and inadvertently caught him with the elbow. In super slow motion it looked worse than it was. Although it was an accident, he'll be fined but according to the rules, he shouldn't miss a game for it.

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                        Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                        See guys this whole Artest can take Dale thing, I'm not going to be able to get a picture of.

                        The reason is comparison.

                        I've seen Dale go head to head with many big men. Michael Smith, Alonzo Mourning, Armond Gilliam, Robert Horry & on & on.

                        I've only been able to see Ron go after a female fan in the front row of the fieldhouse when he was with the Bulls, punch Andre Kirlinko in the back of the head as he was running by & tackle Caron Butler.

                        He acted once like he wanted to go after that guy in Dallas (his name slips me a the moment but he now plays for the Jazz) but he never did anything beyond walk that way.

                        I would like to say that Ron is a tough guy, but we wouldn't know. All we ever see him doing is picking on small wing players. Notice he didn't get up & go after Derrik Coleman after the shot didn't you.

                        So in review Dale Davis is God.


                        Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                        • #13
                          Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                          I don't want to debate this again either at this time but I guess I have to ask.

                          Did you honestly think Jeff Foster played a good game last night?

                          Again, it probably was because he was within 1,000 miles of Dale but he just looked small and insignificant last night. 4 fouls in 14 min.
                          Did you honestly think Dale Davis played a good game last night?

                          He just looked slow and old. 3 rebounds in 10 minutes.

                          But, we can discuss how good he would be taking Pollards 4 minutes.


                          He looked great. No in all honesty he could have been in a wheelchair & I probably would have said the same thing.


                          But in his 10 min. I thought he was very effective. He set several picks that made Reggie weep from remembering what good picks looked like.

                          He stole the ball once & deflected it three times.

                          Two of his 3 rebounds were the kind of manly boards that we only get every 3rd or 4th game.

                          Ok, people remember I'm losing my mind because I can't stand seeing Dale in anything other than Pacers blue & gold.


                          Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

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                            Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                            I've only been able to see Ron go after a female fan in the front row of the fieldhouse when he was with the Bulls, punch Andre Kirlinko in the back of the head as he was running by & tackle Caron Butler.
                            This is a bunch of crap, it's twisted.

                            The first one, Ron wasn't seriously going after her, he was trying to spook her after she'd been riding his *** with taunting all game, and he'd had a bad game. He made that clear after the game, and if you know Ron's personality at all you know that fits.

                            He didn't punch Kirilenko. He did what he did too often last season and tried to swipe at the ball from behind and because he ****ed it up he got the guys head instead. Ron doesn't target people. He never has, and probably never will.

                            Tackling is wrapping your arms around a guy and going to the floor with him. Caron was going for a loose ball, Ron was way out of position to get it but tried anyway, and his chest thumped in to Butler which tossed him out of bounds.

                            Quit making it sound like he's this malicious bully out to kill people.

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                              Re: I have figured out how to make Al Harrington pass the ball more often....

                              Now, now let's not fight.

                              Peck
                              I would not say that Jeff had one of his better games. But I thought he did fairly well on Zack. AL did better. But Jeff did not give him anything easy

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