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  • So let's talk about the roster...

    As it stands now, here's what we've got:

    Foster / Harrison / Pollard
    JO / Croshere / Bender
    Ron / Granger
    Jax / Fred
    Tins / Sarunas / AJ / Gill.

    That means as things stand right now, we have one spot open. I'm assuming JJ gets it. Is that it, or can we expect moves?

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    As I look at the roster, the backup PF position looks awful weak to me. I'd like to see us try to move Bender, Fred, and Gill for ending contracts, picks, etc. Then I'd like to see us use the LLE to go after a backup big man that could score in the paint.
    This space for rent.

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    Re: So let's talk about the roster...

    For the record, I'm now even less willing to trade Tinsley than I would have been otherwise. Throughout the season, we said that with Tins we needed a primary backup that was almost good enough to start. Now we have one. Sarunas is 6'4", which isn't huge, but in some settings we could play a dual backcourt of Tins and Sarunas.
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    • #3
      Re: So let's talk about the roster...

      Aren't we most likely getting rid of Croshere thanks to the new CBA?
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      • #4
        Re: So let's talk about the roster...

        I hope they waive Cro, cut Gill, resign DD for whatever is left of the MLE/vets min and resign JJ.

        I'd like to see something like this :

        PG : Tins/Saras/AJ
        SG : Jax/F.Jones
        SF : Artest/J.Jones/Granger
        PF : JO/Foster/Bender*
        C : DD/Hulk/Pollard

        edit : oh yea if Bender somehow is healthy enough to play he can be 3rd string PF :P

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        • #5
          Re: So let's talk about the roster...

          Some more reliability/durability from the frontcourt and frontcourt backups would be, but that looks like a complete roster. Sign James Jones and get ready to roll. The only guy worth getting rid of is Cro, cut him under the amnesty thing. Keep Bender until he breaks out/is out of the NBA because you don't want him to blow up with anybody else. Don't rock the boat. The team's lineup looks complete and formidable.

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          • #6
            Re: So let's talk about the roster...

            Originally posted by skyfire
            I hope they waive Cro, cut Gill, resign DD for whatever is left of the MLE/vets min and resign JJ.

            I'd like to see something like this :

            PG : Tins/Saras/AJ
            SG : Jax/F.Jones
            SF : Artest/J.Jones/Granger
            PF : JO/Foster
            C : DD/Hulk/Pollard
            Man, what a lineup...

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            • #7
              Re: So let's talk about the roster...

              Here is the current roster according to Pacers.com


              Pacers Roster


              2005-06 Roster
              NUM PLAYER POS HT WT DOB FROM YRS
              91 Ron Artest F 6-7 246 11/13/1979 St. John's '01 6
              24 Jonathan Bender F 7-0 219 01/30/1981 Picayune HS (MS) 6
              44 Austin Croshere F 6-10 242 05/01/1975 Providence '97 8
              32 Dale Davis (FA) C-F 6-11 252 03/25/1969 Clemson '91 14
              54 John Edwards (FA) C 7-0 275 07/31/1981 Kent State '04 1
              10 Jeff Foster C-F 6-11 242 01/16/1977 Southwest Texas State '99 6
              4 Eddie Gill G 6-0 190 08/16/1978 Weber State '00 4

              Danny Granger F 6-8 225 03/20/1983 New Mexico R
              13 David Harrison C 7-0 280 08/15/1982 Colorado 1
              1 Stephen Jackson F-G 6-8 218 04/05/1978 Oak Hill (VA) 5
              8 Anthony Johnson G 6-3 190 10/02/1974 Charleston (SC) '97 8
              20 Fred Jones G 6-2 218 03/11/1979 Oregon '02 3
              33 James Jones (FA) F 6-8 215 10/04/1980 Miami (Fla.) '03 2

              Erazem Lorbek ** F 6-10 240 02/21/1984 Michigan State R
              7 Jermaine O'Neal F-C 6-11 242 10/13/1978 Eau Claire HS (SC) 9
              62 Scot Pollard C-F 6-11 265 02/12/1975 Kansas '97 8
              11 Jamaal Tinsley G 6-3 195 02/28/1978 Iowa State '01 4
              DD, Edwards, and JJ don't count, technically since they are FA and then the Euro dude (Lorbek) will be in Europe next year, so he doesn't count either.

              That leaves 13 under contract for the upcoming season, so if we sign JJ and DD we are done barring a trade that might open up another slot.

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              • #8
                Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                Originally posted by fooddaman
                Here is the current roster according to Pacers.com



                DD, Edwards, and JJ don't count, technically since they are FA and then the Euro dude (Lorbek) will be in Europe next year, so he doesn't count either.

                That leaves 13 under contract for the upcoming season, so if we sign JJ and DD we are done barring a trade that might open up another slot.
                They don't list Saraunas yet (not surprisingly).

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                • #9
                  Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                  definitely will be moves of some sort....since we are not going to carry 4 point guards...

                  u mentioned the pacers were not re-signing freddie....the simple explanation for that is he cant be traded if they sign him to an extension now....they dont want to lose his expiring contract this season....much easier to trade him...they can alway re-sign him next offseason if they dont come across a trade that makes sense between now and then-though i think thats unlikely....

                  gill could be cut without too much pain, relatively speaking...but im not sure u do that....

                  i think u probably trade aj-since his trade value is at an alltime high and alot of teams probably would have interest(maybe even for some sort of protected 1st rounder)....keep gill as ur 3rd(i cant believe i said that-id prefer they sign jay williams, but i doubt they will) and freddie can play the point in emergencies as well.....

                  you could always trade freddie and keep aj as the 3rd pg and give him minutes at the 2 as well....but it seems freddie would be better suited for that role since hes the better defender.....

                  u still have dd and possibly brian grant available that would make sense to add.....

                  i really see a trade of some sort taking place...given the pacers prefer to do it in the offseason versus the trade deadline, odds are its before or near training camp time....

                  however they dont have to make a trade, if the right deal comes along...they can sit tight, till the trade deadline if they so choose....

                  theyre in a great position....they just solidified their weakest position....

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                  • #10
                    Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                    Originally posted by Deadshot
                    Aren't we most likely getting rid of Croshere thanks to the new CBA?
                    cough Bender cough cough

                    -Bball
                    Nuntius was right for a while. I was wrong for a while. But ultimately I was right and Frank Vogel has been let go.

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                    "A player who makes a team great is more valuable than a great player. Losing yourself in the group, for the good of the group, that’s teamwork."

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                    • #11
                      Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                      Originally posted by Bball
                      cough Bender cough cough

                      -Bball

                      take two of these and call me in the morning for that cough...

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                      • #12
                        Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                        I just don't see how we can possibly go into this season with AJ, one of the best backup point guards in the NBA, as a third string player.

                        If I were AJ, and were the third string point guard, I'd be insulted. AJ responded to the call to run the point last year for half the season, and did a damn good job of it.

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                        • #13
                          Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                          Originally posted by PacerFanAdam
                          I just don't see how we can possibly go into this season with AJ, one of the best backup point guards in the NBA, as a third string player.

                          If I were AJ, and were the third string point guard, I'd be insulted. AJ responded to the call to run the point last year for half the season, and did a damn good job of it.
                          he will do it because hes a true pro and is getting paid millions to do it....that being said....i think aj is heading out of town....

                          and atlanta is a great place to live....new orleans and charlotte aint bad either....

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                          • #14
                            Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                            I'd love to see Foster play more power forward. I think Hulk will be starting at least by the All star break anyway.

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                            • #15
                              Re: So let's talk about the roster...

                              Originally posted by Anthem
                              As it stands now, here's what we've got:

                              Foster / Harrison / Pollard
                              JO / Croshere / Bender
                              Ron / Granger
                              Jax / Fred
                              Tins / Sarunas / AJ / Gill.

                              That means as things stand right now, we have one spot open. I'm assuming JJ gets it. Is that it, or can we expect moves?

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                              As I look at the roster, the backup PF position looks awful weak to me. I'd like to see us try to move Bender, Fred, and Gill for ending contracts, picks, etc. Then I'd like to see us use the LLE to go after a backup big man that could score in the paint.
                              I look for Gill to be released unless there is a trade involving Johnson.

                              I think the Pacers would bring back James Jones but why would Jones want to return & play behind Artest & Granger?

                              Thier focus should be getting Dale Davis signed next, as long as he will accept whatever money we have available.

                              Most assume that Croshere will be waived but I'm thinking it's Bender. Bird seems more impressed with Croshere's work ethic & ability to play thru pain.

                              We do need to upgrade our backup 4 spot & we have lots of options to get that done. But if thats our only worry going into the season then I'm not gonna loose any sleep over it.

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