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Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:14 PM
broadcasts of the old Celtics games in the 60's are going to be on all day.

-game 7, 62 finals (vs Lakers)

-game 6, 63 finals (vs Lakers)

-game 4, 64 finals (vs Warriors)

-game 1, 65 finals (vs Lakers)

-game 7, 69 finals (vs Lakers)

Especially the earlier games, are a great chance to see hall of famers like Russell, West, Baylor and Wilt in their primes. Cousey was in his twilight, but still a very effective player.

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:17 PM
One thing that strikes me: Cousey and Steve Nash play a LOT alike. They both have the ability to get the defense to leave them wide open, because the defense was too afraid of their passing ability. LA plays Cousey a lot like the Spurs did Nash this year: lay off him, and don't let him get others involved. And one thing lost about Cousey is that he was an EXCELLENT shooter, which made him impossible to guard.

Jerry West has a very similiar game to Tracy McGrady. He's very apt to grab a rebound, take the ball upcourt, and shoot over 2 guys without ever passing. He has that innate cockiness to his game that I see a lot in T-Mac. They're both outstanding stop-on-a-dime pull up shooters. If you take away T-mac dunking ability, they really do play a lot alike.

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:25 PM
By the way: the refs weren't a lot better in the 60's either....

foretaz
07-17-2005, 04:28 PM
im glad ur actually getting a chance to see jerry play a few games....

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:30 PM
It's really hard to think of a player that plays like Elgin Baylor. Baylor was a natural SF in the body of a PF, but still played above the rim, and was primarily a perimeter player. Still, he is VISIBLY more bulked up, even with this black and white footage.

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:31 PM
im glad ur actually getting a chance to see jerry play a few games....

I've seen Jerry play a LOT. This is just more new footage that I didn't know existed. The only player that I was really unfamiliar with was Cousey.

I'm not going to get into the PG thing with you, either. At least not in this thread.

foretaz
07-17-2005, 04:35 PM
elgin was a very special player....at the risk of being ridiculed id say a cross between artest and dr. j on the offensive end

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:37 PM
neither Dr J nor Artest were good shooters off the dribble. Elgin was almost as good as West at it. Also, he was a much better rebounder, especially for a guy that spent half the game 15 feet from the hoop.

Dr J also was a much more of a finesse player, and palmed the ball on his drives. Elgin was much more of a power player going to the basket.

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:43 PM
Interesting to see Tommy Heinson on TV doing something other than talk endlessly....

I can't stress enough how cool it is to see Jerry in his prime, when he was an unstoppable scoring machine. He's just so much better and more talented than everyone else out there, even when playing the Celtics. Completely different player than the guy I saw so much footage of playing with Wilt in the 70's.

foretaz
07-17-2005, 04:48 PM
I've seen Jerry play a LOT. This is just more new footage that I didn't know existed. The only player that I was really unfamiliar with was Cousey.

I'm not going to get into the PG thing with you, either. At least not in this thread.

no interest here either....ur supposedly a knowledgeable fan....the fact ur watching him play is good enuff for me...

as far as artest and dr. j not being good shooters off the dribble....well...we will just have to agree to disagree....though i do find that statement a bit hard to believe from anyone that watched doctor j, especially in his prime...

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:50 PM
no interest here either....ur supposedly a knowledgeable fan....the fact ur watching him play is good enuff for me...

as far as artest and dr. j not being good shooters off the dribble....well...we will just have to agree to disagree....though i do find that statement a bit hard to believe from anyone that watched doctor j, especially in his prime...

%80 of DR's J's points came at the basket. The guy rarely ever took a shot outside of 8 feet.

Kstat
07-17-2005, 04:53 PM
I wish %95 of NBA PGs today could push the ball as Well as Cousey. Seriously. The guy throws 90-foot inbounds passes off of made baskets, and manages to never turn it over.

sweabs
07-17-2005, 04:53 PM
I love you guys.

:lurk:

foretaz
07-17-2005, 05:07 PM
cousy was a great point guard, too.....;)

canyoufeelit
07-17-2005, 05:10 PM
It's really hard to think of a player that plays like Elgin Baylor. Baylor was a natural SF in the body of a PF, but still played above the rim, and was primarily a perimeter player. Still, he is VISIBLY more bulked up, even with this black and white footage.

LeBron James.

foretaz
07-17-2005, 05:14 PM
LeBron James.

not a bad comparison....and a very interesting one as well...considering i wouldnt be at all surprised if james ended up being a laker in 2 years..

PacerNthaDesert
07-17-2005, 05:15 PM
not a bad comparison....and a very interesting one as well...considering i wouldnt be at all surprised if james ended up being a laker in 2 years..


Strong possibility, either way I just can't see him staying in Cleveland. That franchise might as well fold the day he leaves.

foretaz
07-17-2005, 05:21 PM
Strong possibility, either way I just can't see him staying in Cleveland. That franchise might as well fold the day he leaves.


and i could even give u the skeleton for the sign and trade that will happen....
lamar odom will probably become a cavalier in the deal ;)

Kstat
07-17-2005, 05:23 PM
must be nice to have have future hall of famers on the bench as your current ones retire.....

Cousey is in his last season, and a young rookie by the name of John Havelicek is coming off the bench and dominating like a 10-year pro.

You also have to love the fact that the halftime scores are all in the 60's...... then again, that has a lot more to do with COusey than the natural pace of play. He never stops pushing the ball, even on made baskets.

PacerNthaDesert
07-17-2005, 05:31 PM
must be nice to have have future hall of famers on the bench as your current ones retire.....


That's how the Pacers are, Reggie just retired and we have Bender on the pine just waiting to breakout and dominate. :buddies:

Kstat
07-17-2005, 05:49 PM
One of the greatest mysteries to me is how a Warriors team starting TWO Hall of Fame 7-footers in Chamberlain and Nate Thurmond could get so easily dispatched by Boston in the 64' finals. NOW I get it.

The Warriors had possibly the worst collection of guards on any Finals team ever. Hard to get Wilt the ball when you can't advance it within 40 feet of the rim.....

Someone should remind Al Attles that he's not the star of the team, and that there's a 7'1" teamate underneath the rim that's averaging around 37ppg....

I'm getting frustrated watching this, and I'm not even a warriors fan.

It's somewhat sad, because Wilt is scoring on Russell every time he touches the ball.

8.9_seconds
07-18-2005, 02:10 AM
Have you ever seen the Greatest Game Ever with the Suns and Celts? It's absolutely amazing, I especially liked the Technical foul idea in the Second overtime, it is just hands down the best game I haver ever watched.However, in all honesty, it wasn't a great game until the overtimes, then it was an undeniable classic.

canyoufeelit
07-18-2005, 02:45 AM
Hey, K, what kind of shots was Wilt taking over Russell? The stuff I've seen of Chamberlain is mostly with the Lakers when he really limited his offensive game to dunks and tips.



Have you ever seen the Greatest Game Ever with the Suns and Celts? It's absolutely amazing, I especially liked the Technical foul idea in the Second overtime, it is just hands down the best game I haver ever watched.However, in all honesty, it wasn't a great game until the overtimes, then it was an undeniable classic.

actually it was pretty good since the suns trailed by like 20, then stormed back to tie it in the second half. as for taking the tec to advance the ball, brilliant. though if you had todays Trent Tucker .3 seconds rule, Gar Heard probably doesn't get that shot off

Cactus Jax
07-18-2005, 04:07 AM
That Celtics/Suns game isn't crazy until Hondo hits the shot off the glass, and the people go on the court. The ref gets punched by a fan and the Celts think it's over but the insane shot after that made the game the all-time best.

Kstat
07-18-2005, 06:56 AM
Hey, K, what kind of shots was Wilt taking over Russell? The stuff I've seen of Chamberlain is mostly with the Lakers when he really limited his offensive game to dunks and tips.

Actually, I dont think I saw him dunk once. Pretty much every shot he took over Russell was a fadaway off the glass. Then again, I only recall seeing him miss once, and that was a force to beat the shot clock. Wilt just got so high in the air, russell couldnt bother the shot.

Kstat
07-18-2005, 06:57 AM
That Celtics/Suns game isn't crazy until Hondo hits the shot off the glass, and the people go on the court. The ref gets punched by a fan and the Celts think it's over but the insane shot after that made the game the all-time best.

The game was pretty damn good before that. The SUns were playing near-perfect basketball the entire 2nd half just to make it a game.

Kstat
07-18-2005, 06:59 AM
Oh, and a clarification: the greatest basketball game ever played was the 1992 NCAA Regional final between Duke and Kentucky. Game 5 of the 1976 NBA finals was the greatest pro game ever played, but Duke/Kentucky has it beat by a country mile in terms of spectacular play.

pacerwaala
07-18-2005, 09:45 AM
Kstat

How are you getting NBA TV. I have comcast, subsribe to NBA League Pass every year, but the Comcast f...ers remove NBA TV a few days after the Finals.


I know you have comcast also - so I am curious.

Kstat
07-18-2005, 02:06 PM
Kstat

How are you getting NBA TV. I have comcast, subsribe to NBA League Pass every year, but the Comcast f...ers remove NBA TV a few days after the Finals.


I know you have comcast also - so I am curious.

NBATV is tied to league PASS, but only until the season ends.

After that, you have to pay a $5 montly fee. You get like 7 different regional sports channels, but only NBA TV is really worth watching.

It's not big deal to me. $25 for 5 months of NBA TV during the offseason isn't a huge cost. I would have paid that much for the classic draft broadcasts alone.

pacerwaala
07-18-2005, 09:59 PM
NBATV is tied to league PASS, but only until the season ends.

After that, you have to pay a $5 montly fee. You get like 7 different regional sports channels, but only NBA TV is really worth watching.

It's not big deal to me. $25 for 5 months of NBA TV during the offseason isn't a huge cost. I would have paid that much for the classic draft broadcasts alone.


Thanks!