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LouisvilleLip
07-13-2005, 10:23 AM
http://www.nba.com/media/celtics/green_dunk_320.mpg

We passed up on this :(

travmil
07-13-2005, 10:24 AM
As soon as I see him do that to Ben Wallace I'll be impressed.

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 10:32 AM
I was telling Jermaniac during the draft that we should take our chances with this kid. High risk, high reward.

FiestyFosterFanatic
07-13-2005, 10:34 AM
Just like Bender right?

Vicious Tyrant
07-13-2005, 10:34 AM
We passed up this guy???

Hasn't LB learned anything from Jonathan Bender? Guys who can jump really cool are the key to winning championships!!!!

Zesty
07-13-2005, 10:36 AM
I saw that video yesterday, I'm not sure what the big deal is. I'll be more impressed if I could see him take a defender off the dribble and pull up and consistently hit a mid-range jumper.

MagicRat
07-13-2005, 10:36 AM
I was telling Jermaniac during the draft that we should take our chances with this kid. High risk, high reward.

So you're a high roller? I bet you'll love number 15.......

Suaveness
07-13-2005, 10:36 AM
Uh, it's a dunk. Who cares really? It says nothing about his game

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 10:41 AM
Uh, it's a dunk. Who cares really? It says nothing about his game

Have you seen any footage of him play? He's pretty amazing. At least from what I've seen.

Diamond Dave
07-13-2005, 10:43 AM
So were excited about a guy who through a dunk down on what appears to be John Edwards' little brother?

I love it the first time this kid trys to go baseline on a good defender and its denied to him so he ends up either getting the charge, stepping out of bounds, or is forced to throw a turnover.

Perhaps I've been poisoned by Bender, but I'm so much happier to get a proven talent than another potential.

Suaveness
07-13-2005, 10:43 AM
Have you seen any footage of him play? He's pretty amazing. At least from what I've seen.

Only a little, and I'm sure he's good. But I'm not going to drool over someone we didnt get. I'm happy with Granger (he looks as though he will be solid).

SjA3837
07-13-2005, 10:50 AM
If we picked him, we would just be renting him anyways. By the time he becomes a "all-star", his contract would be up and would go to a team such as LA, etc.

scar
07-13-2005, 10:53 AM
Green will be a more potent offensive player than Granger, probably. But overall, Granger is far more valueable. With Granger, we have a solid defender, solid shooter, and someone that really has no weakness. He's just a great overall player.

Green doesn't strike me as a defensive type. He's already shown he has a huge ego, refusing to work out for some teams. He'll probably take some time to develope. And even if he is a high risk, high reward, he won't help us NOW. I wanna win NOW, damnit, I'm tired of waiting.

scar
07-13-2005, 10:54 AM
If we picked him, we would just be renting him anyways. By the time he becomes a "all-star", his contract would be up and would go to a team such as LA, etc.

Why is my girlfriend in your avatar? And who is that she's kissing?!?! :evil:

SjA3837
07-13-2005, 10:58 AM
Why is my girlfriend in your avatar? And who is that she's kissing?!?! :evil:
Haha, she's my bestfriend. She just moved to missouri a couple weeks ago tho.

:-p

cramerica
07-13-2005, 12:20 PM
First thing that came to my mind -- Bender, and I'll rather take my chances on a guy with experience and that has been matched up against college guys then a bunch of high school kids.

Mourning
07-13-2005, 12:23 PM
Whatever happenned to "it's just a video highlight"? An argument extensively used on vid's of Sarunas.

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

sweabs
07-13-2005, 12:28 PM
Now that Shaun Bradley is out of the league, I don't know of any other centre that would let him do that.

I also don't know of any team defense (well, maybe the Raptors) that is as bad as that. He had all the room in the world, and schooled his defender out on the wing with a simple spin. Let's see if that spin move will work on a guy like Ronnie, or Bruce.

It's high school kids...big, BIG change from the guys he is going to face in this league.

Young
07-13-2005, 12:28 PM
I saw that video yesterday, I'm not sure what the big deal is. I'll be more impressed if I could see him take a defender off the dribble and pull up and consistently hit a mid-range jumper.

Exactly.

tora tora
07-13-2005, 12:32 PM
Exactly.

I'd rather see someone who isn't afraid to attack the rim and finish strong.

diamonddave00
07-13-2005, 12:32 PM
I'll take substance over fluff any day.

I am very happy with the Pacer choice of a solid ,well round , college tested Danny Granger . Gerald Green may be "potential a super star" or he may be Darius Miles.

There are all kinds of flashy dunkers in the nba , I want complete basketball players.

Old time Pacer fans remember Terrance Stansbury , great dunker was in NBA slam dunk contest a couple time but never developed the rest of his game. Harold Minor was the "next MJ".

Gerald Green , some day may be a better player than Danny Granger. But I'll stick with what appears to be a sure thing over - What could be.

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 12:46 PM
Gerald Green , some day may be a better player than Danny Granger. But I'll stick with what appears to be a sure thing over - What could be.

Appears to be a sure thing? C'mon. All draft picks are a gamble.

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 12:49 PM
Danny Granger > Gerald Green, As soon as the season starts Danny will be ready to back up Ron. It would have taken Gerald Green at least 2 years to make a real impact.

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 12:51 PM
And wow because of a nice dunk we should have picked him. Then next year we should pick James White in the first round if thats the way it goes.

Diesel
07-13-2005, 01:06 PM
Green will be a more potent offensive player than Granger, probably. But overall, Granger is far more valueable. With Granger, we have a solid defender, solid shooter, and someone that really has no weakness. He's just a great overall player.

Green doesn't strike me as a defensive type. He's already shown he has a huge ego, refusing to work out for some teams. He'll probably take some time to develope. And even if he is a high risk, high reward, he won't help us NOW. I wanna win NOW, damnit, I'm tired of waiting.

My thoughts exactly.

LouisvilleLip
07-13-2005, 01:12 PM
Appears to be a sure thing? C'mon. All draft picks are a gamble.

Exactly, lots of guys have had excellent college and international careers yet they have never translated over in the nba game.

Also don't get confused over my first post, I didn't intend to imply that I want Gerald based on that video clip because he can dunk. I wanted him long before draft day.

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 01:16 PM
And wow because of a nice dunk we should have picked him. Then next year we should pick James White in the first round if thats the way it goes.

I've seen this guy do more than just dunk. And mark this thread. Two years from now you'll be the first to lambast Bird if Green explodes (ala McGrady) and Granger turns out to be a good all-around utility player.

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 01:20 PM
I'd take Granger over Green everytime, I don't want anymore high schoolers.

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 01:50 PM
I've seen this guy do more than just dunk. And mark this thread. Two years from now you'll be the first to lambast Bird if Green explodes (ala McGrady) and Granger turns out to be a good all-around utility player.And you will keep your mouth shut and never mention Gerald Green again on these boards when Danny starts tearing it up.This team is ready to win now and Danny is ready to play NOW. Gerald Green needs time.And what if he turned out be another Jonathan Bender if we picked him but at least Donnie Walsh would give him a 25 million dollar deal so he wouldnt mind having a career like JB.

And damn I wished I save that convo on AIM during the draft, Cause during the draft you where asking me how good Gerald Green was and all that **** and now you seen MORE from this guy.And he is the next McGrady. Pleaseeee, you seen some highlights on some draft sites.

Arcadian
07-13-2005, 01:54 PM
Both are good prospects. Granger is ready to contribute; Green is not. That matters to me when we are close to winning a championship.

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 01:54 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/bender_dunk_6_cc1108.avi

WHAT A DUNK. We should pick this guy in the draft, I seen alot of his video from High School and He = NEXT MCGRADY. Ohh **** thats JB we already did pick him.

Vicious Tyrant
07-13-2005, 02:33 PM
http://www.nba.com/media/bender_dunk_6_cc1108.avi

WHAT A DUNK. We should pick this guy in the draft, I seen alot of his video from High School and He = NEXT MCGRADY. Ohh **** thats JB we already did pick him.

Whoa!!! Is this kid available???

Reggie4Three
07-13-2005, 02:50 PM
Really, I think the Pacers were in a no-lose situation. Didn't Bird say that they would've drafted Granger with the 5th pick? Given that, I believe Green was the 6th player on the Pacer's board and if we had picked him we would all be falling all over ourselves with his potential to be the next big thing (and I am one that believes he will end up being very good) and the fact that we have time for him to develop given our deep roster.

There is a risk that Green becomes a superstar and we look stupid for passing him up for anyone else. However, we wouldn't be the only team in that boat. Also, as someone else mentioned, Green might bolt after 3 or 4 years for a bigger market or more playing time (since he would likely start off buried on our bench for at least a year or two). With Granger, we have a player that will either produce almost immediately or likely never. After his first two years are up we will have a good idea of what we have and what we will have to give him if we want to re-sign him after the option years are up.

It's really a tossup in my mind. I was sitting there on draft night wanting Green myself. However, the more you read about Granger the more you realize what a solid pick it was. I start to wonder about where Granger will be getting some minutes. Sounds like he will be backing up the 2 and 3 which means he's behind Artest and Jax which will play alot of minutes (barring anything such as injuries or . . . SUSPENSIONS) as starters. Does that mean Freddie will not play? Does that mean that James Jones won't play or won't be re-signed? Does that mean that the Bender project is officially over? I'll have to wait and see if Granger is good enough and really produce immediately as a sixth man type of player. If he can average 12 points a game off the bench this year I don't think you can question the pick too much. I might be leaning towards Green because I think Freddie and James are quality backups at 2 and 3 already so I'm not sure if Granger represents a significant upgrade over them. Bird must think this guy is pretty good and can step in immediately and unseat someone because I think he was pretty high on Green too.

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 03:06 PM
And you will keep your mouth shut and never mention Gerald Green again on these boards when Danny starts tearing it up.This team is ready to win now and Danny is ready to play NOW. Gerald Green needs time.And what if he turned out be another Jonathan Bender if we picked him but at least Donnie Walsh would give him a 25 million dollar deal so he wouldnt mind having a career like JB.

And damn I wished I save that convo on AIM during the draft, Cause during the draft you where asking me how good Gerald Green was and all that **** and now you seen MORE from this guy. And he is the next McGrady. Pleaseeee, you seen some highlights on some draft sites.

I watched the draft and saw the highlight reel. And it looks like Granger will be an immediate contributor alright, as he sits out for the summer. Seriously though, he seems like a good pick, or as someone said, "He was a solid pick." And I guess that's my point. He's solid. Indy has a history of being "solid" and look where that's gotten us.

Since86
07-13-2005, 03:14 PM
I watched the draft and saw the highlight reel. And it looks like Granger will be an immediate contributor alright, as he sits out for the summer. Seriously though, he seems like a good pick, or as someone said, "He was a solid pick." And I guess that's my point. He's solid. Indy has a history of being "solid" and look where that's gotten us.


To being contenders year in and year out? What such a hard life to lead.

sweabs
07-13-2005, 03:24 PM
I watched the draft and saw the highlight reel. And it looks like Granger will be an immediate contributor alright, as he sits out for the summer. Seriously though, he seems like a good pick, or as someone said, "He was a solid pick." And I guess that's my point. He's solid. Indy has a history of being "solid" and look where that's gotten us.

However, it's not like we haven't taken risks. They may have just happened in other forms aside from drafting. Although, look at Bender...we went for it, and it didn't turn out.

The Jermaine O'Neal trade was also a risk at the time. So, not everything that the front office does is plain and "solid".

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 03:24 PM
To being contenders year in and year out? What such a hard life to lead.

Maybe you haven't been here that long, but to a lot of people here, I don't think that's enough anymore. Personally I think the Pacers are one of the most respectable and well-run franchises in the league (read: solid), but I fancy a little risk-taking myself from time to time. But that's just me.

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 03:25 PM
The Jermaine O'Neal trade was also a risk at the time. So, not everything that the front office does is plain and "solid".

Good point.

Since86
07-13-2005, 03:29 PM
Maybe you haven't been here that long, but to a lot of people here, I don't think that's enough anymore. Personally I think the Pacers are one of the most respectable and well-run franchises in the league (read: solid), but I fancy a little risk-taking myself from time to time. But that's just me.


Risk taking from time to time? Like how often? Once a year, every other year, every third year?

I say management have two albatrosses (a bloated contract to Cro, giving him money that he earned from one series at that's it, and Bender) around their neck at the moment, and three might pull their heads under water with the cap. When your 0 for 2 on your last 2 shots, you think a little harder before you pull the trigger next time, atleast I do.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me thrice, and I'm an idiot.

Since86
07-13-2005, 03:31 PM
Plus, when you take a player with the 17th pick, that was in top 5 in 90% of mock drafts I don't see that has a strikeout.

Right now it's looking like a warning track blast. Waiting to see if Torey Hunter is in center, if it's off the wall for a triple, or a dinger.

Arcadian
07-13-2005, 03:36 PM
I disagree with the primise that Donnie doesn't take risks.

Hiring Bird and then IT to coach when neither had any coaching experience were both risks.

As pointed out trading for JO was a risk as well was the decision to rebuild after the 2000 season. I mean why not keep the group together and keep the fans happy?

Donnie's draft history is full of risk. There is a reason his picks are so hard for "experts" to guess. He doesn't take the safe pick. That's shown through his picks from Reggie to Bender and Fred.

Keeping Ron is a risk. Letting Brad go was a risk.

Donnie is a loyal guy, perhaps to much so but that doesn't equate to playing it safe.

foretaz
07-13-2005, 03:37 PM
Maybe you haven't been here that long, but to a lot of people here, I don't think that's enough anymore. Personally I think the Pacers are one of the most respectable and well-run franchises in the league (read: solid), but I fancy a little risk-taking myself from time to time. But that's just me.

its called being spoiled.....

i remember the mid 70s and the 80s....

it truly sux when u have zero chance....when it takes a miracle to even make the playoffs, only to be swept out in the first round.....

id love to win a title....dearly love to....

but i know there are no guarantees....the lakers from two years ago proved that....

all i know is id prefer things be done solidly if it means contending every year and never having to suffer thru what the lakers have this past year, or the knicks, or some of the other teams that got close or even won, only to be followed by years of the doldrums....i dont wanna ever be the hawks or hornets etc.

sooner or later, if we are in contention every year, things will go our way....you start mortgaging the farm with risks and it doesnt work out due to whatever reason, then u dont have that title in ur pocket and have to deal with losing....no thanks....

i like knowing we will be in the playoffs every year and have a legit shot at the title....and i, for one, will never take it for granted or be dissatisfied with anything short of a title...

Since86
07-13-2005, 03:44 PM
sooner or later, if we are in contention every year, things will go our way....you start mortgaging the farm with risks and it doesnt work out due to whatever reason, then u dont have that title in ur pocket and have to deal with losing....no thanks....

Well said. All I can hope for, as a fan, is to have trust in management to bring in players that have the capability(looks wrong for some reason) to win the title. It's ultimately up to the players if they can hit the shots when i's needed, or get the crucial stops.

:walsh: has done his job better than any other GM in the league, now it's up to the players.

SkipperZ
07-13-2005, 03:44 PM
you guys keep bringing up jonathan bender but this kid is more tmac/kobe than JB.

And jonathan bender is not the only high school kid on our roster...

aceace
07-13-2005, 05:28 PM
Harold Minor (aka:Baby Jordan) could do any dunk in the world that this guy can. Being a fantastic dunker does not make you great.

indygeezer
07-13-2005, 05:31 PM
Harold Minor (aka:Baby Jordan) could do any dunk in the world that this guy can. Being a fantastic dunker does not make you great.



Freddie Jones

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 05:32 PM
Freddie JonesWhat about Freddie? Freddie is more then just dunks

indygeezer
07-13-2005, 05:38 PM
What about Freddie? Freddie is more then just dunks
Really? Other than sky, what does he do that 416 other NBA players don't do just as well if not better?

Diamond Dave
07-13-2005, 05:53 PM
Really? Other than sky, what does he do that 416 other NBA players don't do just as well if not better?

While I'll agree that many people on here overrate Fred (just like they do most Pacers), I still think this is a little harsh.

Fred is a quality defender, one of the better defenders on our team. Fred can push the ball, and every once and a while is a big time impact on a game if he has his long shot going to open up for slashing.

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 05:54 PM
Really? Other than sky, what does he do that 416 other NBA players don't do just as well if not better?He can drive to the basket as well as anyone on our team. When he was healthy he was hitting that 3 very well. And he is a good defender.

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 06:24 PM
I don't understand how you can say we don't take risks when we have Ron Artest on the team. That's enough risk for me right there.

indygeezer
07-13-2005, 06:48 PM
He can drive to the basket as well as anyone on our team. When he was healthy he was hitting that 3 very well. And he is a good defender.


So, he's an average NBA gaurd that's too short to play the 2 and lacking in skills to play the 1.

He's easily replaceable especially since at his size he barely qualifies as a tweener.

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 06:57 PM
Fred isn't an average NBA guard because he actually gives a damn when it comes to playing defense and winning games. I don't think he is as easily replaced as some think.

Besides, until he actually complains about his back up role, I'm going to assume he is okay with it. He has never complained before.

Tim
07-13-2005, 07:17 PM
Danny Granger > Gerald Green, As soon as the season starts Danny will be ready to back up Ron. It would have taken Gerald Green at least 2 years to make a real impact.

Or develop knee problems and sit next to Bender.

Jon Theodore
07-13-2005, 07:36 PM
ummm tora tora....how do you find all these ridiculous pics of hot girls for your avatar?

Harmonica
07-13-2005, 07:49 PM
ummm tora tora....how do you find all these ridiculous pics of hot girls for your avatar?

I don't recognize his new one, but his last one was Tiffany Teen, Internet Porn Sensation!

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 07:50 PM
I don't recognize his new one, but his last one was Tiffany Teen, Internet Porn Sensation!


:-o :laugh:

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 07:55 PM
So, he's an average NBA gaurd that's too short to play the 2 and lacking in skills to play the 1.

He's easily replaceable especially since at his size he barely qualifies as a tweener.He has been in the NBA for 3 years, give him a ****ing break.

Shade
07-13-2005, 07:58 PM
I thought we had established at the last forum party that Fred Jones was the greatest SG ever...? :confused: :devil:

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 07:59 PM
I thought we had established at the last forum party that Fred Jones was the greatest SG ever...? :confused: :devil:

Poor man's Dwayne Wade is what I think you guys settled on. :-p

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 08:00 PM
Or develop knee problems and sit next to Bender.

:banghead:

His knee is structurally fine! He just needs to rehab/hit the weight room for a few weeks!

It isn't a big deal...

Jermaniac
07-13-2005, 08:12 PM
:banghead:

His knee is structurally fine! He just needs to rehab/hit the weight room for a few weeks!

It isn't a big deal...You are right it isnt a big deal, its just that people on here want to make up some damn theory about how everything about this team is bad. No matter what happens with this team people on here will never be satisfied.

Suaveness
07-13-2005, 09:49 PM
I thought we had established at the last forum party that Fred Jones was the greatest SG ever...? :confused: :devil:

That's because he is :-o

SoupIsGood
07-13-2005, 10:45 PM
Quote:
Celts pick's finger tale rings true
By Jeff Goodman
Friday, July 1, 2005 - Updated: 06:37 AM EST

WALTHAM - There are a few theories floating around as to why Gerald Green tumbled down to the 18th pick in the NBA Draft.
Here's one: Some NBA executives were wary of Green's right ring finger, which is about an inch short.
When he was 11, Green was playing in his Houston home, where he had put up a makeshift hoop over a doorway. While wearing his mother's class ring, he caught the ring on a nail that was holding up the basket.
``I was trying to see how high I could jump,'' he said.
Almost a decade later, Green's father, Gerald Sr., still cringes when talking about the accident.
``They couldn't re-attach it,'' the elder Green said. ``So they had to shave off part of his finger. I had nightmares about it.''
``It was amazing that no one (from the NBA teams) asked me about it,'' agent Andrew Vye said. ``I brought it up because I didn't want it to be a surprise to people when he was in Chicago (for pre-daft camp).''
The only surprise was that Green was there at No. 18.



http://espn.starwave.com/i/pkg/05NBAdraft/250/18711.jpg


Look at his right hand.

Shade
07-13-2005, 11:18 PM
http://espn.starwave.com/i/pkg/05NBAdraft/250/18711.jpg


Look at his right hand.

Yeah, I read about that on the Celtics forum when they drafted him. I meant to post about it over here, but didn't for some reason. :shrug: