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Mr. Sobchak
07-08-2005, 03:54 PM
In other free agency news, according to a pair of Eastern Conference sources, the Celtics offered point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius $1.6 million for next season as part of a three-year deal worth close to $5 million. Those sources said the offer was turned down. Teams over the cap have a $1.6 million exception to use every other year. Boston did not use its exception last year.

Since the Celtics are intent on developing Al Jefferson and now have a backup power forward in Scalabrine, Antoine Walker appears on his way to another team. Look for the Celtics to try to execute a sign-and-trade with Walker as they fill out their roster.

Boston Globe

PCC87
07-08-2005, 03:56 PM
a sign and trade with Walker.That would be hilarious if they traded Walker AGAIN!

foretaz
07-08-2005, 03:57 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=216684&postcount=16

Shade
07-08-2005, 04:14 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=216684&postcount=16

I think this will be okay, since the title offers breaking news on the situation.

So, does this pretty much narrow it down to the Pacers and Cavs, then? Are there any other dark horse contenders out there? And if Cleveland opts to go in another direction, would Saras consider staying overseas rather than accept a contract with us?

Jose Slaughter
07-08-2005, 04:29 PM
I think he has his heart set on the NBA. He isn't getting any yonger & he knows it.

With Hughes in Cleveland & Bird wanting this guy, I really look for it to happen.

CableKC
07-08-2005, 05:05 PM
I bet you that he's waiting for the Cavs to clear up the situation with Big Z before he decides where to go.

Although they are locked up with Eric Snow and McInnis at the PG spots.....they aren't involved in any future plans for the Cavs. Sarunas doesn't have to worry about minutes at the backup PG spot there.

Los Angeles
07-08-2005, 05:05 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showpost.php?p=216684&postcount=16
I don't understand.

Is this some kind of hall monitor thing?

RWB
07-08-2005, 05:06 PM
www.nba.com/blog/blog8.html

Some more Sarunas columns and a very interesting story about the brawl and how this almost happened in europe as well. Worth reading.

MagicRat
07-08-2005, 05:11 PM
I read somewhere that Dallas has an interest in SJasik, also......(Chad Ford, maybe?)....

Kegboy
07-08-2005, 05:13 PM
I bet you that he's waiting for the Cavs to clear up the situation with Big Z before he decides where to go.

Although they are locked up with Eric Snow and McInnis at the PG spots.....they aren't involved in any future plans for the Cavs. Sarunas doesn't have to worry about minutes at the backup PG spot there.

McInnis is a FA. They've only got Snow at point.

blanket
07-08-2005, 05:19 PM
www.nba.com/blog/blog8.html

Some more Sarunas columns and a very interesting story about the brawl and how this almost happened in europe as well. Worth reading.

Thanks for posting this.

Questions about his defense scare me a bit, especially if signing him means we'll be trading AJ away.

RWB
07-08-2005, 05:31 PM
Questions about his defense scare me a bit,

You're being too kind. It sounds like everyone thinks this guys defense couldn't get any worse if he tried. :laugh:

blanket
07-08-2005, 05:43 PM
You're being too kind. It sounds like everyone thinks this guys defense couldn't get any worse if he tried. :laugh:

Someone on here mentioned that he played good defense on Marbury, I think. Right? Please? :fingerscr

Mr. Sobchak
07-08-2005, 07:00 PM
http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/...84&postcount=16

Sorry I didnt see this post. Im just excited we still have a chance at signing him.

Kstat
07-08-2005, 07:03 PM
If the Celtics offered Sarunas a $5 million contract, they clearly didn't really want him anyway. What a ridiculously low offer.

Harmonica
07-08-2005, 07:11 PM
If the Celtics offered Sarunas a $5 million contract, they clearly didn't really want him anyway. What a ridiculously low offer.

The guy is not a proven NBA commodity. Good for the Celtics for not getting caught up in the hype.

Kstat
07-08-2005, 07:12 PM
The guy is not a proven NBA commodity. Good for the Celtics for not getting caught up in the hype.


He's a proven champion and quality basketball player. He's also in the prime of his career.

If they don't want him, they don't want him. But that offer was borderline-insulting. There are kids making more than that straight out of highschool. Sarunas has proven a LOT more than they have.

Hype is something without substance. This kid already has plenty of tangible proof that he can play.

Jermaniac
07-08-2005, 07:26 PM
I would go as high as 3 million if I was Larry and thats where I would draw the line. If he doesnt want it good. I would rather give the full 5 million and maybe get Antonio Daniels.

SycamoreKen
07-08-2005, 07:41 PM
I would rather give the full 5 million and maybe get Antonio Daniels.

What does this sentence mean? If he doesn't want to take the 3 mil., where are you going here?

CableKC
07-08-2005, 08:16 PM
I think Jermaniac is saying that if 5 mil had to be spent on a player....he would much rather give the 5mil exception to a player like Daniels then a player like Sarunas.

Knucklehead Warrior
07-08-2005, 09:46 PM
Insulting or not, the market has been given a bid. This is the starting point for future negotiations and MIGHT make it easier to sign him for less $$$.
We now know what he won't take right now. Sometimes that lowball offer looks a little better after some time has elapsed and no new offers are forthcoming. Anybody who has sold a house or turned down a job offer knows what I'm talking about.
Just as $1.6M may look ridiculous, $5M looks more ridiculous now as well. After all the posturing, look for maybe what they wanted all along - $3M.

Gamble
07-08-2005, 10:58 PM
I don't care if this guys D is horrible or not he can pop the three and pass
the ball like an All Star. After he mopped us up in the Olympics i figure he is
worth 5 mill or 3 mill. In any case we can't stop people like Wade any way.
The best you can do is feed them into Dale and watch the bruises rise.
As i see it this guy is the only point guard available able to hit 3's, pass the ball
and combines it all with nerves of steel. Sounds like what you need in a game
six in Detriot. How do we get him? We need to put James as second
to an offer sheet because clearly he is second to Sarunas and pray to God
Clevelands center doesn't resign or he gutts them for all their worth.
The first takes them out of playoffs and the second is obvious.
Out like Lakers in 5... or is it Larry in 2.

able
07-09-2005, 06:57 AM
Insulting or not, the market has been given a bid. This is the starting point for future negotiations and MIGHT make it easier to sign him for less $$$.
We now know what he won't take right now. Sometimes that lowball offer looks a little better after some time has elapsed and no new offers are forthcoming. Anybody who has sold a house or turned down a job offer knows what I'm talking about.
Just as $1.6M may look ridiculous, $5M looks more ridiculous now as well. After all the posturing, look for maybe what they wanted all along - $3M.


The guy made 2.3 million dollar per year the last 2 years from Macabi, in those years he became MVP a couple of times, finals MVP and lead them to two national, cup and Euro titles, you suggesting he should get les in the NBA?

He van get the 3 mil in Europe without a doubt, that is the point where he has to decide what he wants, henceforth playing for a contender might make it more likely he will say yes to that.

Anything less and he will remain in Europe

Unclebuck
07-09-2005, 09:53 AM
I don't care if this guys D is horrible or not .

If I could I'd wash your mouth out with soap.



Unless the Pacers expect him to beat our Tinsley for the starting point guard job, then I don't think the Pacers should sign him. (Unless you expect Tinsley to get injured again and miss 30 games or so and part of the playoffs)

Jose Slaughter
07-09-2005, 10:45 AM
I think they are looking for someone that can run a team & can be a threat from outside.

He will be better than AJ at some things & not as good at others.

I think what has Bird's attention here is the heart this guy plays with. Bird is enthralled with the intensity he brings & I'm assuming he thinks those things would be an upgrade for the Pacers.

Does Bird have enough faith in Carlisle's defensive scheme to add Jasikevicius?

From the rumors it would seem that there are far more positives to adding Jaz, than negatives.

Gamble
07-09-2005, 11:15 AM
[QUOTE=Unclebuck]If I could I'd wash your mouth out with soap.


From what i've seen of Larry B and company they do believe he can
start on this team. Just because we have one bad defender is the reason
why you have a good coach to sub better defenders in. Which for some
reason i don't think Tinsley is a good one and AJ is slower than my moms
horse buggy. I like Tinsley a whole lot and AJ for that matter but the
fact still remains who do we have to guard against the 3 and a pg that has
a quick first step? No one. So having one more won't hurt especially if
he can produce points and pass in the times we need it,,,in the clutch.
Just give me a good flavor on the soap. No bleach additives.

SoupIsGood
07-09-2005, 11:22 AM
If I could I'd wash your mouth out with soap.





:laugh:

Oh yeah, :welcome: Gamble!

kerosene
07-09-2005, 12:59 PM
(Unless you expect Tinsley to get injured again and miss 30 games or so and part of the playoffs)

Unfortuantely, that's not an unreasonable thought given Tins' history.

Gamble
07-10-2005, 12:48 AM
:laugh:

Oh yeah, :welcome: Gamble!
Thanks for the welcome but is this just an invitation from you and Uncle Buck to pour bleach down
my gullet. Man say one word about not caring about defense on Saranus and
you get the royal cleaning.

Suaveness
07-10-2005, 12:54 AM
Thanks for the welcome but is this just an invitation from you and Uncle Buck to pour bleach down
my gullet. Man say one word about not caring about defense on Saranus and
you get the royal cleaning.

Don't mind UB, he's just bored :-p

SoupIsGood
07-10-2005, 01:12 AM
:laugh:

Gamble you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters, you are a naturally funny guy.

8.9 seconds is too, I wish he/she would post more.

PCC87
07-10-2005, 01:12 AM
If I could I'd wash your mouth out with soap.



Unless the Pacers expect him to beat our Tinsley for the starting point guard job, then I don't think the Pacers should sign him. (Unless you expect Tinsley to get injured again and miss 30 games or so and part of the playoffs)


Well I don't think they are looking for someone to replace Tinsley.I think they might either trade or release AJ or Eddie.So I think they are looking for a SOLID backup.

Will Galen
07-10-2005, 10:38 AM
Well I don't think they are looking for someone to replace Tinsley.I think they might either trade or release AJ or Eddie.So I think they are looking for a SOLID backup.

Trade AJ? Maybe, even probably if we pick up Rose or Saras. No way they will just release him though, I agree that's possible with Gill, but not with AJ.

AJ is a solid backup in my opinion, but as much as Tins gets hurt and doesn't play we need 3 point guards who are solid.

Hicks
07-10-2005, 12:01 PM
Maybe if we pick up Rose?? Don't tell me you still think he's a PG, Will? :shudder:

BigMac
07-10-2005, 12:11 PM
...Unless the Pacers expect him to beat our Tinsley for the starting point guard job, then I don't think the Pacers should sign him. (Unless you expect Tinsley to get injured again and miss 30 games or so and part of the playoffs)

I think that the point is that, if signed, Tinsley is expendable. This year or next, that is left to be seen. I know that Tinsley makes a lot of steals but that is because he floats and gets those steals. If he averaged 5+ steals a game, it would be ok, but the 2-3 steals he gets a game is overshadowed by the easy baskets he makes possible for the other team by floating off of his man. I think that, coupled with his street mentality of taking it right back to someone after they took it to him has caused Bird to look at other options for the PG position. It's just my opinion.

Gamble
07-10-2005, 06:27 PM
I think that the point is that, if signed, Tinsley is expendable. This year or next, that is left to be seen. I know that Tinsley makes a lot of steals but that is because he floats and gets those steals. If he averaged 5+ steals a game, it would be ok, but the 2-3 steals he gets a game is overshadowed by the easy baskets he makes possible for the other team by floating off of his man. I think that, coupled with his street mentality of taking it right back to someone after they took it to him has caused Bird to look at other options for the PG position. It's just my opinion.
Tinsley to me is the best ball handler when it comes to driving in the
thick of it and scoring. However Sarunas is just as good managing a team
or better than Tinsley. Their passing is about even with an edge to Sarunas.
Tinsley to me will play better D but what the heck is that saying...
I especially hate as you mention his revenge mentality. Its like watching
a horror flick and seeing a person tripping over a logg before it happens.
Here Tinsley drives right,, then fakes left off a pick with Wallace to swat
the ball off the back board. My God how many times have i seen that.
Sarunas also said he wants to play meaningful minutes not "I want to
start". AJ to me is the spitten image of an UMPA on
Super Mario Brothers "The Movie".
GOd i've learn to love him but he's one ugly dude.

blanket
07-11-2005, 05:18 PM
From today's Stein Line:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=2105306&num=3


Cleveland isn't worried about Hughes' perimeter shortcomings because it has the inside track on one of the best shooters available: Stein Line favorite Sarunas Jasikevicius.

Jasikevicius, spotted in London watching Wimbledon with Big Z (Ilgauskas) last month, is still being chased by several teams. Indiana's Larry Bird is a big fan who went to Israel late last season to visit the Maccabi Tel-Aviv point guard in person. And Portland, which boasts its own Lithuanian tradition after a long association with Arvydas Sabonis, is said to view Jasikevicius as an ideal veteran complement to the developing Sebastian Telfair.

The Cavs, though, should still have ample cap room to tempt Sarunas after signing Hughes and Ilgauskas. There are serious concerns about Jasikevicius' ability to defend at the NBA level -- especially if he's on the floor with the plodding Ilgauskas -- but they are offset by the spunky guard's history of clutch shot-making and his pick-and-roll prowess. Jasikevicius isn't a pure point, but he would form a dangerous perimeter with James and Hughes, since all three can handle the ball and hurt a defense.

Don't forget, furthermore, new Cavs GM Danny Ferry was part of the Spurs' front office that tried hard two summers ago to pry Jasikevicius away from Maccabi Tel-Aviv and a contract that didn't allow for NBA passage. Jasikevicius went on to lead the Israeli powerhouse to the past two Euroleague titles, adding to his rep for delivering in the clutch. A rep Team USA knows well after the past two Olympics.

"And he's much more under control than he used to be," said one NBA personnel man who has watched Jasikevicius for years.

Boston was another Jasikevicius contender, but the Celtics took themselves out of the running by committing a portion of their mid-level exception to Nets forward Brian Scalabrine. Really.

Kegboy
07-11-2005, 06:10 PM
Jasikevicius isn't a pure point

I'm confused. I thought Saras was God's gift to the PG position, and the only reason he's not in the league already is because he played out-of-position at Maryland?

:confused: :rolleyes:

able
07-11-2005, 06:21 PM
anything to make Cleveland a serious contender which they aren't
Everything on this piece breaths "i have no clue but want it to be true so badly, but am afraid that Bird charachter might have the edge,let's see if I can influence this"

Gamble
07-11-2005, 11:48 PM
anything to make Cleveland a serious contender which they aren't
Everything on this piece breaths "i have no clue but want it to be true so badly, but am afraid that Bird charachter might have the edge,let's see if I can influence this"
I hear you able. One sided isn't the word for this piece. Like the Cavs know
what there doing in the first place. They have screwed things up before and
i am sure they can manage it agian.

Hicks
07-12-2005, 12:10 AM
The Cavs' history of screwing things up is irrelevant. They have new people all over managament and the staff now. New owner, GM, assistant GMs, coach, assistant coaches. All new.

Will Galen
07-12-2005, 02:45 AM
Maybe if we pick up Rose?? Don't tell me you still think he's a PG, Will? :shudder:

What I think doesn't matter, but yeah he can play some point. What matters though is what Carlisle would do with him. Who do you think would run the point with Tinsley hurt? And who would be back up? Doesn't matter what we think because Carlisle is going to use him at point in one of those spots.

Rose can play 3 positions, but he's best at small forward, and worst at Point.

Gyron
07-12-2005, 08:29 AM
Does anyone else think that with Mike Brown being there now, he knows exactly what bird's plans were for trying to pick up Saras, and he knows his potential just as well from his time with Bird, so Brown knows this would be a really good pick up for them?

Tim
07-12-2005, 09:20 AM
This is starting to sound like people are getting excited about off season moves again.

Tinsley is not expendable and this guy Jasikevicius, if he really was a match for a healthy Tinsley we would have heard of him before, and somebody out there would be willing to spend a lot more than a MLE on him.

I can understand concerns about Tinsley's health, but lets not forget when he is 100% he is a killer! The whole team is different when Tinsley is playing, and I bet that with 15 seconds left in the game, down by one, Pacers ball, you want the ball in Tinsley's hands (looking for Reggie of course).

MagicRat
07-12-2005, 10:13 AM
The whole team is different when Tinsley is playing, and I bet that with 15 seconds left in the game, down by one, Pacers ball, you want the ball in Tinsley's hands (looking for Reggie of course).

Let's hope Jamaal has worked on his arm strength in the offseason. I'm not sure he could hit Reggie on the beach in Malibu. Plus I'm a little worried that he could get it a little off line and throw it into Mission Bay.......

Tim
07-12-2005, 12:28 PM
Let's hope Jamaal has worked on his arm strength in the offseason. I'm not sure he could hit Reggie on the beach in Malibu. Plus I'm a little worried that he could get it a little off line and throw it into Mission Bay.......


Reggie is still part of the team, Donnie is hoping he will get bored with retirement so you never know.

diamonddave00
07-12-2005, 01:06 PM
I think the intrest in Sarunas Jasikevicius and now the hints of renewed intrest in Jalen Rose , clearly show Larry and Donnie are not thru tweaking this team.

If Saras is signed , AJ WILL be moved. Its only fair to AJ that if Saras is brought in with guarantee of playing time that you deal AJ.

If Jalen Rose , somehow reappears in Pacer blue and gold its for his versitility. We know Jalen is a sf/sg , who still dreams of being Magic Johnson. If brought in Jalen is insurance at the point against injury to Tinsley and ineffective play of AJ or Saras whichever is here. Jalen is also another hedge again Ron screwing up. Plus backup to Stephen at the sg , still not sold Freddy will be here.

As for why haven't we heard of Jasikevicius before , the article points out Saras was a wreckless pg in the past. But he showed in the Athen's Olympics and over the last 3 years as pg of 2 different Euro Champion teams , he's matured into a solid point guard.

I'd love to see Jasikevicius end up here , but edge still appears to be with the Cavs.

indygeezer
07-12-2005, 01:59 PM
I think the intrest in Sarunas Jasikevicius and now the hints of renewed intrest in Jalen Rose , clearly show Larry and Donnie are not thru tweaking this team.

If Jalen Rose , somehow reappears in Pacer blue and gold its for his versitility. We know Jalen is a sf/sg , who still dreams of being Magic Johnson. If brought in Jalen is insurance at the point against injury to Tinsley and ineffective play of AJ or Saras whichever is here. Jalen is also another hedge again Ron screwing up. Plus backup to Stephen at the sg , still not sold Freddy will be here.

I'd love to see Jasikevicius end up here , but edge still appears to be with the Cavs.

If JR somehow reappears here you'll know that somehow....someway Isaiah Thomas has gotten his revenge.





But I agree with the Cavs having the edge. Or, is that more misdirection on LB/DW's part? Perhaps they want the Cavs to focus their money elsewhere so they can sneak in and grab someone like Antonio Daniels.