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    LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

    Larry Hughes a Cavalier


    http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp


    Larry Hughes to Cleveland



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    By Nick Prevenas
    7/7/05


    Larry Hughes

    Sources tell NBADraft.net that the Cleveland Cavaliers will sign Washington Wizards' free agent guard Larry Hughes. The deal is reportedly worth an estimated $12 million a year and will run through the 2010 season.

    After losing out on Michael Redd and Ray Allen (both of whom resigned with their original teams), the Cavs have landed their shooting guard and LeBron James' running mate. Hughes fills a massive hole for a team in need of perimeter scoring and defense.

    Hughes averaged 22 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 2.9 steals a game in his breakout season for the Wizards. He was also named to his first All-NBA Defensive First Team. His stellar play was one of the main reasons the Wizards were able to surprise nearly everyone and snag a 5-seed in the 2005 playoffs. Their first-round defeat of the Chicago Bulls was the first Washington playoff series victory since 1982.

    While Hughes was one of the league's most sought-after free agent 2-guards, there are concerns surrounding him. First, durability is a issue. He missed 21 games last season due to a broken thumb. He's missed large chunks of time during his seven-year career due to other various injuries. He's only played more than 70 games in a season twice, in 1999-2000 and again in 2001-2002.

    Second, for everything he does well, he does not shoot a high percentage from 3-point range. Last season, he shot 28%, which is a slight improvement over his 27% career average. This weakness was especially evident during the Wizards' playoff defeat to the Miami Heat, where he shot 33% from the floor and 25% from three. One of Cleveland's big weaknesses last season was their inability to knock down open threes, and at this point, it's hard to say whether Hughes will help fill that void.

    Third, the 2004-2005 season was clearly Hughes' best season as a pro. Some feel that he might've kicked it up a notch in a contract year. He's bounced around a little, playing for three teams (the 76ers, Warriors, and Wizards) during his seven-year tenure. Some even considered him a mild disappointment until the past two seasons. Personally, I think Hughes has always had the ability to put up numbers like he did last season, but he just needed the right situation to prosper. Now we'll be able to see whether he can continue his fantastic play teaming up with King James.

    These possible concerns are far outweighed by the positives he brings to this Cavalier ballclub. He is tremendously gifted athlete and can effectively defend three positions. His ability to force steals creates many easy baskets for his teammates. He's also a terrific penetrator who can create open looks for his squad. He's a versatile player who brings a lot of good things to the floor and will allow LeBron James to run wild at the small forward spot.

    This is a big move for the Cavs, but they're far from finished. They still need to sign a quality point guard (both Antonio Daniels and Earl Watson's names have been mentioned). In a pinch, Hughes can fill in at the point, but he's built to play the off-guard. They also need to decide what to do with Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Depending on what happens with Big Z, they've expressed interest in signing another athletic bigman to go alongside Drew Gooden (Dalembert, Swift, Brown, etc.). Let's not forget, the Cavs are still in need of a permanent head coach. Signing Hughes is a big first step, but new General Manager Danny Ferry still has a lot of work ahead of him.

    Where does this leave the Wizards? Their promising young nucleus has lost a big talent in Hughes. Jarvis Hayes will be expected to shoulder a much bigger scoring load and take over Hughes' role alongside Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison. They'll still be an exciting team to watch, but they'll be hard-pressed to replicate their 45-win output of 2004-2005 without Hughes' contributions.

    The Clippers and Nuggets had also expressed interest in Hughes.
    You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?
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    Larry Hughes to the Cavs?

    http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp

    Larry Hughes to Cleveland


    By Nick Prevenas
    7/7/05


    Larry Hughes

    Sources tell NBADraft.net that the Cleveland Cavaliers will sign Washington Wizards' free agent guard Larry Hughes. The deal is reportedly worth an estimated $12 million a year and will run through the 2010 season.

    After losing out on Michael Redd and Ray Allen (both of whom resigned with their original teams), the Cavs have landed their shooting guard and LeBron James' running mate. Hughes fills a massive hole for a team in need of perimeter scoring and defense.

    Hughes averaged 22 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 2.9 steals a game in his breakout season for the Wizards. He was also named to his first All-NBA Defensive First Team. His stellar play was one of the main reasons the Wizards were able to surprise nearly everyone and snag a 5-seed in the 2005 playoffs. Their first-round defeat of the Chicago Bulls was the first Washington playoff series victory since 1982.

    While Hughes was one of the league's most sought-after free agent 2-guards, there are concerns surrounding him. First, durability is a issue. He missed 21 games last season due to a broken thumb. He's missed large chunks of time during his seven-year career due to other various injuries. He's only played more than 70 games in a season twice, in 1999-2000 and again in 2001-2002.

    Second, for everything he does well, he does not shoot a high percentage from 3-point range. Last season, he shot 28%, which is a slight improvement over his 27% career average. This weakness was especially evident during the Wizards' playoff defeat to the Miami Heat, where he shot 33% from the floor and 25% from three. One of Cleveland's big weaknesses last season was their inability to knock down open threes, and at this point, it's hard to say whether Hughes will help fill that void.

    Third, the 2004-2005 season was clearly Hughes' best season as a pro. Some feel that he might've kicked it up a notch in a contract year. He's bounced around a little, playing for three teams (the 76ers, Warriors, and Wizards) during his seven-year tenure. Some even considered him a mild disappointment until the past two seasons. Personally, I think Hughes has always had the ability to put up numbers like he did last season, but he just needed the right situation to prosper. Now we'll be able to see whether he can continue his fantastic play teaming up with King James.

    These possible concerns are far outweighed by the positives he brings to this Cavalier ballclub. He is tremendously gifted athlete and can effectively defend three positions. His ability to force steals creates many easy baskets for his teammates. He's also a terrific penetrator who can create open looks for his squad. He's a versatile player who brings a lot of good things to the floor and will allow LeBron James to run wild at the small forward spot.

    This is a big move for the Cavs, but they're far from finished. They still need to sign a quality point guard (both Antonio Daniels and Earl Watson's names have been mentioned). In a pinch, Hughes can fill in at the point, but he's built to play the off-guard. They also need to decide what to do with Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Depending on what happens with Big Z, they've expressed interest in signing another athletic bigman to go alongside Drew Gooden (Dalembert, Swift, Brown, etc.). Let's not forget, the Cavs are still in need of a permanent head coach. Signing Hughes is a big first step, but new General Manager Danny Ferry still has a lot of work ahead of him.

    Where does this leave the Wizards? Their promising young nucleus has lost a big talent in Hughes. Jarvis Hayes will be expected to shoulder a much bigger scoring load and take over Hughes' role alongside Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison. They'll still be an exciting team to watch, but they'll be hard-pressed to replicate their 45-win output of 2004-2005 without Hughes' contributions.

    The Clippers and Nuggets had also expressed interest in Hughes.

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    • #3
      Re: Larry Hughes to the Cavs?

      ah soup you beat me by a minute, that's weird. admin you can delete this thread.

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      • #4
        Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

        Originally posted by SoupIsGood
        Larry Hughes a Cavalier


        http://www.nbadraft.net/prevenas044.asp


        Larry Hughes to Cleveland



        --------------------------------------------------------------------------------


        By Nick Prevenas
        7/7/05


        Larry Hughes

        Sources tell NBADraft.net that the Cleveland Cavaliers will sign Washington Wizards' free agent guard Larry Hughes. The deal is reportedly worth an estimated $12 million a year and will run through the 2010 season.

        After losing out on Michael Redd and Ray Allen (both of whom resigned with their original teams), the Cavs have landed their shooting guard and LeBron James' running mate. Hughes fills a massive hole for a team in need of perimeter scoring and defense.

        Hughes averaged 22 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.7 assists, and 2.9 steals a game in his breakout season for the Wizards. He was also named to his first All-NBA Defensive First Team. His stellar play was one of the main reasons the Wizards were able to surprise nearly everyone and snag a 5-seed in the 2005 playoffs. Their first-round defeat of the Chicago Bulls was the first Washington playoff series victory since 1982.

        While Hughes was one of the league's most sought-after free agent 2-guards, there are concerns surrounding him. First, durability is a issue. He missed 21 games last season due to a broken thumb. He's missed large chunks of time during his seven-year career due to other various injuries. He's only played more than 70 games in a season twice, in 1999-2000 and again in 2001-2002.

        Second, for everything he does well, he does not shoot a high percentage from 3-point range. Last season, he shot 28%, which is a slight improvement over his 27% career average. This weakness was especially evident during the Wizards' playoff defeat to the Miami Heat, where he shot 33% from the floor and 25% from three. One of Cleveland's big weaknesses last season was their inability to knock down open threes, and at this point, it's hard to say whether Hughes will help fill that void.

        Third, the 2004-2005 season was clearly Hughes' best season as a pro. Some feel that he might've kicked it up a notch in a contract year. He's bounced around a little, playing for three teams (the 76ers, Warriors, and Wizards) during his seven-year tenure. Some even considered him a mild disappointment until the past two seasons. Personally, I think Hughes has always had the ability to put up numbers like he did last season, but he just needed the right situation to prosper. Now we'll be able to see whether he can continue his fantastic play teaming up with King James.

        These possible concerns are far outweighed by the positives he brings to this Cavalier ballclub. He is tremendously gifted athlete and can effectively defend three positions. His ability to force steals creates many easy baskets for his teammates. He's also a terrific penetrator who can create open looks for his squad. He's a versatile player who brings a lot of good things to the floor and will allow LeBron James to run wild at the small forward spot.

        This is a big move for the Cavs, but they're far from finished. They still need to sign a quality point guard (both Antonio Daniels and Earl Watson's names have been mentioned). In a pinch, Hughes can fill in at the point, but he's built to play the off-guard. They also need to decide what to do with Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Depending on what happens with Big Z, they've expressed interest in signing another athletic bigman to go alongside Drew Gooden (Dalembert, Swift, Brown, etc.). Let's not forget, the Cavs are still in need of a permanent head coach. Signing Hughes is a big first step, but new General Manager Danny Ferry still has a lot of work ahead of him.

        Where does this leave the Wizards? Their promising young nucleus has lost a big talent in Hughes. Jarvis Hayes will be expected to shoulder a much bigger scoring load and take over Hughes' role alongside Gilbert Arenas and Antawn Jamison. They'll still be an exciting team to watch, but they'll be hard-pressed to replicate their 45-win output of 2004-2005 without Hughes' contributions.

        The Clippers and Nuggets had also expressed interest in Hughes.
        in need of a permanent head coach???? does this guy live in the twilight zone?? he ever heard of mike brown??

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        • #5
          Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

          Does this take them out of the running for Saras? I know they have a boatload of $$$ right now...

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          • #6
            Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

            They had 28 mil free before they did this, I think.
            You, Never? Did the Kenosha Kid?

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            • #7
              Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

              Damn 12 million a year for Larry Hughes, too much I say.

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              • #8
                Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

                S***! Cleveland is gonna be good next year. I already thought so with Mike taking over, but signing Hughes to pair with LeBron? That's a nice pick up for them. I didn't take them too seriously until now, but now I'm going to view them as a legit threat.

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                • #9
                  Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                  Um, it's an OK pickup, but I don't ever see a LeBron James/Larry Hughes combo going deep into the playoffs.

                  To me, this reeks of panic in Cleveland. Michael Redd was the ideal guy for the Cavs, not Larry Hughes.

                  And Luke Jackson, somewhere, weeps. In addition, they're still Quilted Northern inside.

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                  • #10
                    Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy

                    Originally posted by Hicks
                    S***! Cleveland is gonna be good next year. I already thought so with Mike taking over, but signing Hughes to pair with LeBron? That's a nice pick up for them. I didn't take them too seriously until now, but now I'm going to view them as a legit threat.
                    Why? I dont see how Larry Hughes makes them that much better?

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                    • #11
                      Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                      Looks like Jasikevicius is ours if we still want him. I don't see Cleveland doing anything major with their backcourt after this.

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                      • #12
                        Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                        If they have 28mm in capspace, and Hughes took 12 of that, then they have plenty to sign Saras. LeBron will play at SF, with Hughes at SG. Their PG situation is the same as it was before this signing.

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                        • #13
                          Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                          Originally posted by Hicks
                          If they have 28mm in capspace, and Hughes took 12 of that, then they have plenty to sign Saras. LeBron will play at SF, with Hughes at SG. Their PG situation is the same as it was before this signing.
                          I would guess Ilgauskus or Curry might be more important to them at this point. Also, they can't forget that they'll have to give James a maximum contract in two years and Drew Gooden is a RFA next summer, if they keep him. If not, it'll be someone else to pay.

                          Or they could be retards and spend way too much on players that won't contend for an ECF appearance.

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                          • #14
                            Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                            Originally posted by Jose Slaughter
                            Looks like Jasikevicius is ours if we still want him. I don't see Cleveland doing anything major with their backcourt after this.
                            I agree. Signing Ilgauskas or Curry is the next step, followed shortly by trying to trade Drew Gooden.

                            The Larry Hughes signing doesn't really scare me either. It improves their backcourt for sure, but I still don't think they have enough solid pieces around to make a big run.

                            I guess Washington is going to have to find a replacement for Hughes now, or just put Jarvis Hayes into the starting lineup.

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                            • #15
                              Re: LeBron has new play-time buddy. (Larry Hughes)

                              Originally posted by Kraft
                              I would guess Ilgauskus or Curry might be more important to them at this point. Also, they can't forget that they'll have to give James a maximum contract in two years and Drew Gooden is a RFA next summer.

                              Or they could be retards and spend way too much on players that won't contend for an ECF appearance.
                              Thank you, Ilgauskas slipped my mind. That'll account for most of the rest of the money. However, if they had 28mm, and Hughes is taking 12mm of that, that still leaves them 16mm. Big Z won't take more than 8-10mm of that, leaving another 6-8mm remaining. Enough to outbid us for Saras.

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