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Outsider
07-07-2005, 08:54 AM
Noticed something on hoopshype and it got me thinking:

"The Nets stepped up their pursuit of the free-agent forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim on Wednesday and prepared to lose their own free-agent forward, Brian Scalabrine. Another Eastern Conference team, believed to be the Boston Celtics, is set to sign Scalabrine, a 2001 second-round pick who became a rotation regular. "It appears as if we're going to lose him," said Rod Thorn, the Nets' president." New York Times

"That need is even greater with the likely departure of Brian Scalabrine. While the Nets entertained Abdur-Rahim yesterday, Scalabrine agreed to a five-year deal worth $15million with the Celtics, according to a league sources. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, teams cannot officially sign free agents until the end of the month." New York Daily News



Now the question is - since Boston is over the cap at 46.5M (cap is going to be around 45M) does this mean they are using some of the MLE on Scalabrine?

If so then it looks like Saras isn't getting the whole thing anymore and may be coming back down into the Pacer's money range. Anyone have some added insight?

Outsider

foretaz
07-07-2005, 09:02 AM
Noticed something on hoopshype and it got me thinking:

"The Nets stepped up their pursuit of the free-agent forward Shareef Abdur-Rahim on Wednesday and prepared to lose their own free-agent forward, Brian Scalabrine. Another Eastern Conference team, believed to be the Boston Celtics, is set to sign Scalabrine, a 2001 second-round pick who became a rotation regular. "It appears as if we're going to lose him," said Rod Thorn, the Nets' president." New York Times

"That need is even greater with the likely departure of Brian Scalabrine. While the Nets entertained Abdur-Rahim yesterday, Scalabrine agreed to a five-year deal worth $15million with the Celtics, according to a league sources. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, teams cannot officially sign free agents until the end of the month." New York Daily News



Now the question is - since Boston is over the cap at 46.5M (cap is going to be around 45M) does this mean they are using some of the MLE on Scalabrine?

If so then it looks like Saras isn't getting the whole thing anymore and may be coming back down into the Pacer's money range. Anyone have some added insight?

Outsider

i saw the same thing...and figured that it meant that the celtics were using approx half of the MLE on scalabrine....meaning if they had made an offer to saras it would more than likely been for the other half.....which really would seem to be about right....

but as ive said before....even if boston makes an offer, i really dont see them as the real threat....boston had stated theyre looking for a big man and some point guard help...and i just dont think saras wants to go play with that roster being as young as it is....and the celtics have probably figured that out as well as figuring its down to indiana and cleveland....

now what is interesting is that the celtics appear to have signed scalabrine and are talking to the bulls about antonio davis....ive felt the celtics would like dale davis....with scalabrine in the fold, if the celtics somehow obtained tony(which im really not sure how they could) then it would almost certainly mean they have no interest in dale then....and that would be a good thing....the fewer suitors for dale the better....

Will Galen
07-07-2005, 09:09 AM
"That need is even greater with the likely departure of Brian Scalabrine. While the Nets entertained Abdur-Rahim yesterday, Scalabrine agreed to a five-year deal worth $15million with the Celtics, according to a league sources. Under the new collective bargaining agreement, teams cannot officially sign free agents until the end of the month." New York Daily News



A five years deal worth $15 million works out to a starting salary of about $3 million. That would leave Boston somewhere around $2 million of their mid level, not enough. If this is so, it does take Boston out of the picture, but according to reports they were never really in the picture.

I think it's between Indiana and Cleveland. Cleveland can overpay him and price him out of our range, but they aren't the contender we are. Depending on money I think we are still the front runner.

Will Galen
07-07-2005, 10:17 AM
now what is interesting is that the celtics appear to have signed scalabrine and are talking to the bulls about antonio davis....ive felt the celtics would like dale davis....with scalabrine in the fold, if the celtics somehow obtained tony(which im really not sure how they could) then it would almost certainly mean they have no interest in dale then....and that would be a good thing....the fewer suitors for dale the better....

Sign and trade.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-050706mitchell,1,6127337.column?coll=cs-columnists
Informal discussions have taken place between the Celtics and Bulls regarding a sign-and-trade deal involving Mt. Carmel alum Antoine Walker and the Bulls' Antonio Davis.

That won't make Antonio happy, his family likes it in Chicago and he wanted to retire from there.

foretaz
07-07-2005, 10:43 AM
Sign and trade.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/columnists/cs-050706mitchell,1,6127337.column?coll=cs-columnists
Informal discussions have taken place between the Celtics and Bulls regarding a sign-and-trade deal involving Mt. Carmel alum Antoine Walker and the Bulls' Antonio Davis.

That won't make Antonio happy, his family likes it in Chicago and he wanted to retire from there.

it seems there would need to be another fairly substantial chunk of salary coming from boston because i cant see toine signing for nearly 12 million...and i honestly dont see who it would be that the celtics have that chicago would want....

sixthman
07-07-2005, 11:45 AM
We are likely to only be looking for bargains this off season, and unfortuately Sarunas doesn't look like he is going to be one.

indytoad
07-07-2005, 11:52 AM
I'm kinda suprised Houston hasn't been mentioned at all in relation to Sarunas - don't they need a PG too?

IndyToad
Might drive a bus

Arcadian
07-07-2005, 02:29 PM
I don't think Van gundy would want a player of Sarunas' defensive abilities.

foretaz
07-07-2005, 02:38 PM
I don't think Van gundy would want a player of Sarunas' defensive abilities.

no...but i bet he might be interested in aj....;)

Suaveness
07-07-2005, 02:40 PM
I'm kinda suprised Houston hasn't been mentioned at all in relation to Sarunas - don't they need a PG too?

IndyToad
Might drive a bus

I think they drafted one...Luther Head?

Jermaniac
07-07-2005, 02:45 PM
They got Luther Head and Mike James

foretaz
07-07-2005, 03:52 PM
dammit....i want saras on this team....hes just a perfect fit....

doesnt cleveland know that daniels would be a much better fit for them??? i mean cmon mike brown....push for daniels....daniels wants to start....hes probably better suited to start than sarunas....snow is getting old and slow....u need daniels....so sign daniels....pick a 2 guard....work on curry ....and leave saras alone....everyone will be much happier this way...;)

indygeezer
07-07-2005, 05:18 PM
The "take" from HoopsWorld is:

Cavalier Corner - Time For Plan C
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By Mario Morgan
for HOOPSWORLD.com
Jul 7, 2005, 15:00





The Cavs struck out again. There has to be some down heads in Cleveland as Michael Redd will be re-signing with the Milwaukee Bucks according to his agent.

"He's going to get a max deal in Milwaukee for $90 to $96 million, depending on what the cap is, over six years," Redd's agent, Kevin Poston, told The Associated Press early Thursday afternoon. "Michael started his career in Milwaukee and hopes to end it there, too.

"It was a tough decision between the Bucks and the Cavaliers, but Michael's heart is in Milwaukee and he's excited about his future there," Poston added.

The Cavs gave their best shot to the Ohio-native yesterday but it obviously wasn't enough to overcome Redd's heart and oh, 20 million dollars. The most the CBA allowed Cleveland to offer was fiver years, $70 million dollars. So now what is Cleveland to do? The backup plan was Ray Allen but he has agreed to re-up with Seattle a few days ago. The Cavaliers could attempt to persuade him to reconsider since Seattle is now losing Nate McMillan to Portland but that's unlikely - especially in light of the Carlos Boozer situation last year. Still, one has to wonder what Plan C is. With the team ranking 28th in made three pointers per game ( 3.7) it's clear they need players to keep teams from collapsing on LeBron James.

Joe Johnson is the obvious choice. The talented two guard for the Phoenix Suns last year averaged 17 points, 5.1 rebounds and ranked second in the NBA in three point accuracy at .478 percent and eight at three-point field goals made at 177. With numbers like that and a young age of 24, he would be clearly at the top of the list but Phoenix has vowed to match any offer. Considering they dealt away their other FA swingman from last year in Quentin Richardson, they are obviously serious. Even if Cleveland would reach an agreement with Johnson, Phoenix has a full two weeks before making a final decision to keep him and that would leave the Cavs in limbo while other options will sign elsewhere.

Larry Hughes is available but isn't nearly the dead-eye shooter that the Cavs want. A great all-around player, he's basically does the same things James does from up top. The 26-year old averaged 22 points, 6.3 rebounds, 4.7 assists and a league-high 2.9 steals last season. However, the Cavs need an outside shooter too bad to go with Hughes, who only made only 52 at .282 percent clip last year from deep.

Bobby Simmons is a rising player who could be the one to fulfill the outside need. The 25-year old guard played for the LA Clippers last season and had 16.4 points, 5.9 rebounds, and 2.7 assists per game in a breakout campaign. Most importantly, he has a dead-eye shot from beyond the arc - making 50 while hitting .435 percent. Although the attempts aren't there, the stroke is and he would be around a much better playmaker in Cleveland. Simmons agent Mark Bartelstein agrees his client is a good match for the team.

"I think Bobby would be a terrific fit in Cleveland, LeBron (James) needs a shooter next to him and he can fill that role,'' Bartelstein said. "We'll see what develops."

Cleveland may want to strike quickly if they decide on Simmons. The other shooter options are lesser free agents like Cuttino Mobley and Kyle Korver that just don't bring enough to the table nor have the potential that Simmons does. Plus, Simmons is unrestricted so there isn't the same threat of waiting for the Clipps to match an offer like with Johnson and the Suns. The Clippers are interested in bringing him back but their history makes it very unlikely they will match any large deals for the free agent, even with having the cap space to offer a max deal.

However, losing out on the big-time guards of Redd and Allen will have a domino effect on other potential moves. The Cavs have interest in both Lithuanian Sarunas Jasikevicius as well as another Ohio native Antonio Daniels as the starting point guard. Daniels is a proven combo guard in the NBA and has improved a lot, especially on defense, since coming out of Bowling Green State University but Jasikevicius is a highly sought after shooting point man. Jasikevicius has played great overseas and led his team to three straight Euroleague Championships. More importantly for Cleveland however is that the 29-year old is great from outside the arc - shooting at 40 percent in the Euroleague this year and 53 percent in the Israeli league. Indiana is another team reportedly interested but Cleveland has the cap space to easily outbid them. With no deadly threat from outside, the Cavaliers will need all the firepower they can get to stretch the defenses.
The free agent period is now seven days old and the Cavaliers have yet to make their mark despite having nearly $30 million dollars in cap space. Now is not the time for Cleveland to miss from outside again.

PacerMan
07-07-2005, 06:10 PM
Good.

foretaz
07-08-2005, 09:21 AM
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2005/07/08/celtics_agree_with_free_agent_scalabrine/

Celtics agree with free agent Scalabrine
By Shira Springer, Globe Staff | July 8, 2005

LAS VEGAS -- The Celtics agreed to terms with free agent forward Brian Scalabrine, two Eastern Conference sources and a source close to the forward confirmed yesterday.

Under terms of the deal, Scalabrine will earn $15 million over the next five years. Although teams could begin free agent negotiations July 1, they cannot officially sign players until July 22. For that reason, executive director of basketball operations Danny Ainge and Scalabrine's agent, Bob Myers, declined to discuss Scalabrine joining the Celtics.

Ainge should be more familiar with Scalabrine than other available free agents since both share an interest in brain typing and regularly consult Jon Niednagel, a.k.a. the Brain Doctor. The 6-foot-9-inch, 235-pound Scalabrine credits Niednagel with guiding him to the 10 best performances of his career. The most memorable came in Game 5 of the 2004 Eastern Conference semifinals against Detroit. In the Nets' triple-overtime victory, Scalabrine set career playoff highs for points (17), 3-pointers made and attempted (4 for 4), and field goals made and attempted (6 for 7). Undoubtedly, Ainge's belief in brain typing and Niednagel's involvement with the franchise were part of the attraction for Scalabrine.

According to one source, Scalabrine also thought the Celtics would be a good fit because of the role he envisioned playing. Scalabrine should earn minutes as a backup power forward. Last season, he averaged 6.3 points and 4.5 rebounds in 21.6 minutes per game. Over his four-year career since being drafted 35th overall out of Southern Cal, Scalabrine has averaged 3.9 points and 2.9 rebounds in 14.8 minutes per contest.

With Scalabrine in the fold, the Celtics' free agent picture becomes significantly clearer. Scalabrine will use up $3 million of the Celtics' midlevel exception, leaving them with approximately $2 million to sign another player.

In other free agency news, according to a pair of Eastern Conference sources, the Celtics offered point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius $1.6 million for next season as part of a three-year deal worth close to $5 million. Those sources said the offer was turned down. Teams over the cap have a $1.6 million exception to use every other year. Boston did not use its exception last year.

Since the Celtics are intent on developing Al Jefferson and now have a backup power forward in Scalabrine, Antoine Walker appears on his way to another team. Look for the Celtics to try to execute a sign-and-trade with Walker as they fill out their roster.

Paul Pierce attended last night's summer league game between the Celtics and Clippers. He said he would talk about his future with the team after he met with coach Doc Rivers and Ainge over the weekend. Pierce said he wanted to talk with Rivers and Ainge to gain a better understanding of the Celtics' plans before commenting extensively.

Outsider
07-08-2005, 09:22 AM
In other free agency news, according to a pair of Eastern Conference sources, the Celtics offered point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius $1.6 million for next season as part of a three-year deal worth close to $5 million. Those sources said the offer was turned down. Teams over the cap have a $1.6 million exception to use every other year. Boston did not use its exception last year. Boston Globe


So Boston wasn't really interested in him anyway, asking 1/2 of what Saras was looking. Maybe half of the MLE is looking better now for him?

Outsider

Evan_The_Dude
07-08-2005, 02:02 PM
So with Washington possibly losing Hughes, I'd imagine Arenas will slide over to the 2 since he's probably more suited for that position with his abilities anyway. Would that put the Wizards in the Jasikevicius sweepstakes?

RWB
07-08-2005, 04:16 PM
http://24sec.easycgi.com/article.asp?index=2046

Not sure if this has already been posted (sorry if it has) but it does mention in detail that Bird did meet personally with Sarunas at one point and had dinner.

foretaz
07-08-2005, 05:12 PM
So with Washington possibly losing Hughes, I'd imagine Arenas will slide over to the 2 since he's probably more suited for that position with his abilities anyway. Would that put the Wizards in the Jasikevicius sweepstakes?

well....he did play his college ball in maryland....however the wizards do have a number of guards that they were probably gonna let go that they may think about retaining now....steve blake, juan dixon, and anthony peeler...