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Unclebuck
07-05-2005, 09:56 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&id=2100671Redd, Jasikevicius, Ilgauskas joining LeBron?By Chad Ford
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The free-agent frenzy slowed down over the holiday weekend as NBA executives hunkered down for what appears to be an extended period of negotiations and trade talk.

League sources say that progress on working out the specifics of the new collective bargaining agreement is going slower than expected, and several NBA executives believe the league may extend the player-signing moratorium beyond the July 22 date already set by the league.

The good news is that this gives teams lots of time to formulate and reformulate their free-agent strategies. From the look of things, some teams need more time than the NBA can give them.

The bad news is that the moratorium leaves a number of teams in limbo. Remember, restricted free agents must wait an additional seven days if they sign an offer sheet with another team. That means many teams won't be able to settle their rosters until August.

In the meantime, every agent in the league is sitting back a little and waiting to see what Michael Redd does. Now that Ray Allen has agreed to return to Seattle, Redd is the other big domino that needs to fall (and set the market) before the rest of the free-agent class starts seeing their final offers.

Here's what we're hearing coming out of the holiday break:

Cavs: It's becoming clearer what new GM Danny Ferry's strategy is: He'd like to lure Michael Redd away from Milwaukee, bring in Lithuanian point guard Sarunas Jasikevicius from overseas, re-sign Zydrunas Ilgauskas and find a way to swap Drew Gooden for a more blue-collar, defense-oriented power forward.

It's not a bad plan, and it's one, if completed, that should propel the Cavs into the playoffs.

To make it happen, first Ferry has to convince Redd to agree to the home-state discount (Redd is from Ohio). That would mean Redd would lose a year of guaranteed money -- roughly $20 million, depending on what happens with the new cap figures.

It's a long shot. However, Redd hasn't agreed to the Bucks' huge max offer yet and is planning to visit Cleveland this week -- encouraging signs for the Cavs.

On most teams (including the Bucks), Redd isn't worth a max contract offer. He's a fantastic shooter, but what else does he do? He's not really a go-to guy, he isn't a great defender and he doesn't rebound or handle the ball well. However, paired next to LeBron and Ilgauskas, he might be worth the cash. The Cavs desperately need a shooter, and Redd's stroke could be deadly in Cleveland with LeBron and Ilgauskas commanding double teams.

Could is the operative word here. Joe Johnson was the team's first choice, but the Cavs believe the Suns will match any offer to him. Johnson was actually a better shooter last year, is three inches taller than Redd, can play the point and is a better defender -- and is two years younger, to boot. Before Ray Allen agreed to re-sign with Seattle, he was the Cavs' backup plan -- as a more versatile and experienced, but much older, choice. Hughes is also an option (and statistically the best of the top four guards), though everyone believes he'll re-sign with Washington.

Jasikevicius is next on the to-do list for the Cavs. He's also being wooed strongly by the Pacers and Celtics and wants to make a decision soon. The Cavs appeal to him because they're one of the few teams in the league that have starting jobs available. The asking price is high (he'd like the full $5 million mid-level exception), but he might be worth it. If the Cavs want championship experience in their point guard, Jasikevicius has it. He's won three straight Euroleague titles, leading two different squads. However, if the Cavs want a point guard who plays defense, they'd better start looking elsewhere. If Ferry can't sign Jasikevicius, look for the Cavs to switch gears and make a strong push for Antonio Daniels and Marko Jaric.

Ilgauskas is demanding more cash than the Cavs are willing to offer and appears to have a legitimate suitor in the Hawks. However, the Cavs believe his agent, Herb Rudoy, is bluffing when he claims that Ilgauskas really wants to play elsewhere. They've already added one fellow Lithuanian to the roster (draft pick Martynas Andriuskevicius) and are in the process of potentially adding another. Ilgauskas loves Cleveland and knows the Cavs are in position to offer him a big deal.

If the Cavs land Redd and Jasikevicius, they'll be left with roughly $9 to $11 million to offer Ilgauskas as a starting salary (again, depending on where the new salary cap comes in).

If Ilgauskas can't live with that, the Cavs might be better off going young and trying to lure Tyson Chandler, Samuel Dalembert or LeBron's favorite, Eddy Curry, to Cleveland.

If they can add a big, athletic, shot-blocking rebounder like Chandler or Dalembert to the mix, they could either keep Gooden or swap him for a more stable low-post scorer. Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Al Harrington, Mike Sweetney and Chris Wilcox are all available via trade or sign-and-trade.

If they keep Ilgauskas or grab a guy like Curry, the Cavs will look for a bruising, rebounding power forward who can defend and do the dirty work in the paint that Ilgauskas and Gooden don't provide. Reggie Evans, Udonis Haslem, P.J. Brown or even, yes, Carlos Boozer could be available via trade or sign-and-trade.

Knicks: A number of team executives say the Knicks have been the most active team during the first five days of the free-agency period.

Team president Isiah Thomas is trying everything to remake the team's roster. That includes, according to multiple team executives, offering Stephon Marbury to the highest bidder. The problem is that no one seems interested in the four years, $76 million left on his contract.

Thomas is willing to trade Marbury to the Sixers for Samuel Dalembert (in a sign-and-trade), according to two league sources. To get a deal to work under the CBA, the deal would have to be expanded because of base-year issues with Dalembert. A trade of Marbury and Tim Thomas for Dalembert, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron McKie and Kevin Ollie works under the cap.

The Knicks' plan would be to move Jamal Crawford to the point, with Quentin Richardson at the two. Channing Frye would play the four, with Dalembert at the five.

Would the Sixers make that trade? They would have the most dynamic (or is that combustible?) backcourt in the league (Marbury and Allen Iverson) and would get to dump two bad contracts. But losing Dalembert at center, with only Marc Jackson left to roam the middle, would be a high price to pay.

If they can't convince the Sixers to deal, the Knicks might be willing to do a smaller deal that sends Marbury to the Hawks for Al Harrington, Tony Delk and Jason Collier. If the Hawks really want veterans (see below), this could be the way to go.

Thomas also has set his sights on several other top free agents. Thomas has been wooing Kwame Brown, Antoine Walker and Stromile Swift but has only enough cash (with the mid-level exception) to bring one guy -- unless, that is, he can work out a sign-and-trade for one and use his mid-level on another. The goal, sources say, is to sign Walker with the mid-level and work out a sign-and-trade with Washington that ships Sweetney back to D.C., where he played his college ball at Georgetown.

Hawks: So you're Atlanta GM Billy Knight, you have $24 million in cap room and you have a roster filled with young swingmen like Marvin Williams, Al Harrington, Josh Smith, Josh Childress and Boris Diaw.

In a best-case scenario, you get Childress to play the two, Smith to play the three, Williams to play the four and then use Harrington and Diaw as trade bait to help lure a center and point guard via a sign-and-trade.

Given the makeup of your team, you're looking for a young point guard who can push the ball up the floor and provide some leadership and a young big man who can run the floor, block shots, rebound and provide an anchor on the defensive end.

Instead, Knight decided that the way to go is to woo Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Ray Allen with the cap room. Never mind that neither Ilgauskas nor Allen really fits what the team needs -- and that Allen immediately spurned the Hawks' overtures to return to Seattle.

Ilgauskas may be the best offensive center on the market, but he's old, lumbering, has a history of feet problems and doesn't play defense. Allen, likewise, was hardly the best long-term solution for Atlanta.

That's just part of the problem. Players like Ilgauskas and Allen have about the same level of interest in playing in Atlanta that Kenyon Martin and Erick Dampier had last year. They needed a team to make a big offer to drive up their price on the market. Surely Knight has to see this, yet he's still tying up valuable time trying to make a run at them while alienating the free agents he actually has a chance to sign.

What happened to the Hawks' stance, all year, that they would make a run at a young big guy like Dalembert, Chandler or Curry? Or a younger two-guard like Joe Johnson?

According to sources, Knight has gotten cold feet on the young guys because they're restricted free agents. Knight fears that the offers will be matched and the Hawks will go through yet another summer without a significant free-agent signing.

The fears are justified. The Sixers, Bulls and Suns are telling everyone they'll match any offer, and all three teams seem to have positioned themselves to do just that.

The question is, why does Knight care? He has nothing to lose. He has enough cap room to make two max offers. He has valuable trade assets he could offer to teams for sign-and-trades. By making a run at a young guy he likes, he locks up his cap room for seven days. If the team matches, he loses. But if he doesn't make a solid offer in the first place, he loses anyway.

Rockets: They also have been wooing Walker, hoping that Boston would be willing to take a player or two in the last year of their deals to facilitate a sign-and-trade. The Rockets have a number of tradable assets in the last year of their contracts, including David Wesley, Clarence Weatherspoon, Moochie Norris and Vin Baker. Stromile Swift and Bobby Simmons also have been targets.

Nuggets: We're still scratching our heads over Cuttino Mobley's decision to give up more than $6 million in guaranteed money to opt out of his contract with the Kings. However, it sounds like he's found a suitor in the Nuggets willing to spend their full mid-level for his shooting abilities. Denver is also taking a hard look at Jaric.

Chad Ford covers the NBA for ESPN Insider.

GO!!!!!
07-05-2005, 10:03 PM
Good Read indeed, no Pacer stuff but worth a five min read none the less

Thanks UB

Anthem
07-05-2005, 10:10 PM
Nothing Pacer related? How about this?


Jasikevicius is next on the to-do list for the Cavs. He's also being wooed strongly by the Pacers and Celtics and wants to make a decision soon. The Cavs appeal to him because they're one of the few teams in the league that have starting jobs available. The asking price is high (he'd like the full $5 million mid-level exception), but he might be worth it. If the Cavs want championship experience in their point guard, Jasikevicius has it. He's won three straight Euroleague titles, leading two different squads. However, if the Cavs want a point guard who plays defense, they'd better start looking elsewhere. If Ferry can't sign Jasikevicius, look for the Cavs to switch gears and make a strong push for Antonio Daniels and Marko Jaric.

GO!!!!!
07-05-2005, 10:16 PM
Nothing Pacer related? How about this?

Sorry I'll refraise that, nothing NEW pacer related....

Suaveness
07-05-2005, 10:27 PM
Could this also be posted?

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=8597

blanket
07-05-2005, 11:34 PM
Jasikevicius is next on the to-do list for the Cavs. He's also being wooed strongly by the Pacers and Celtics and wants to make a decision soon.

thank god

in or out - let's make it quick

Evan_The_Dude
07-05-2005, 11:36 PM
Thomas is willing to trade Marbury to the Sixers for Samuel Dalembert (in a sign-and-trade), according to two league sources. To get a deal to work under the CBA, the deal would have to be expanded because of base-year issues with Dalembert. A trade of Marbury and Tim Thomas for Dalembert, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron McKie and Kevin Ollie works under the cap.

Wow, if Webber couldn't handle Iverson alone... Oh well, one less "team" to worry about.

Hicks
07-05-2005, 11:46 PM
gniknave, that signature is HILARIOUS! :laugh:

indytoad
07-06-2005, 12:01 AM
Thomas is willing to trade Marbury to the Sixers for Samuel Dalembert (in a sign-and-trade), according to two league sources. To get a deal to work under the CBA, the deal would have to be expanded because of base-year issues with Dalembert. A trade of Marbury and Tim Thomas for Dalembert, Jamal Mashburn, Aaron McKie and Kevin Ollie works under the cap.

Is Dalembert available? I'd love to try and get him, although I dunno if we'll need another big man unless we trade a couple.

IndyToad
Click yes

Suaveness
07-06-2005, 12:03 AM
Is Dalembert available? I'd love to try and get him, although I dunno if we'll need another big man unless we trade a couple.

IndyToad
Click yes

I was kinda wondering that, because I thought Philly really wanted to keep him.

GO!!!!!
07-06-2005, 12:20 AM
I was kinda wondering that, because I thought Philly really wanted to keep him.

They do want to keep him but like any big man with some soft skills, Money comes looking for you.. it all depends if they can match it 2 keep him, might be a ala Brad Miller Situation....

Suaveness
07-06-2005, 03:05 PM
Can someone post these:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=8597

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=8620

MagicRat
07-06-2005, 03:09 PM
Can someone post these:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=8597

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=8620

Here are the only two Pacers mentions in the articles.....



Zach, Cleveland, Ohio: Who do you think is a better fit for the Cavaliers, Antonio Daniels or Jasikevicius?

<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: Tough question. Daniels has great size and is an excellent defender. Jasikevicius is much better offensively but MUCH worse defensively. If they want a real floor leader, however, it's tough to pass on Jasikevicius, He hasn't played in the NBA yet, but three straight Euroleague titles means a lot. The Pacers are also strongly in the mix for Jasikevicius.

Adam, Indy: Please Chad, I need to know what the Pacers are doing? I haven't heard anything in some time.

<!-- displayed mode -->http://espn.starwave.com/i/sn2.gif Chad Ford: Sarunas Jasikevicius is at the top of their list. They also like another sweet shooting Lithuanian, two guard, Arvydas Macijauskas.

Fool
07-06-2005, 03:20 PM
gniknave, that signature is HILARIOUS! :laugh:

I agree.

blanket
07-06-2005, 03:35 PM
They also like another sweet shooting Lithuanian, two guard, Arvydas Macijauskas.

Here's some video of him I found:

http://www.nebl.com/video/Arvydas%20Macijauskas%20nice%202%20points.wmv

http://www.nebl.com/video/Arvydas%20Macijauskas%20steal%20and%202%20points.w mv

http://212.80.130.30:8080/ramgen/marca/videos_acb/tau_macijaukas.rm

Unclebuck
07-06-2005, 03:47 PM
That Pacers fan who "hasn't heard anything in a long time" must not know about Pacers Digest

naptownmenace
07-06-2005, 03:51 PM
Here's some video of him I found:

http://www.nebl.com/video/Arvydas%20Macijauskas%20nice%202%20points.wmv

http://www.nebl.com/video/Arvydas%20Macijauskas%20steal%20and%202%20points.w mv

http://212.80.130.30:8080/ramgen/marca/videos_acb/tau_macijaukas.rm


He looks really awkward, a little unathletic too.

dipperdunk
07-06-2005, 04:11 PM
Is Dalembert available? I'd love to try and get him, although I dunno if we'll need another big man unless we trade a couple.

IndyToad
Click yes

I'm pretty sure Billy King wants to keep all 3 of the young Sixer free agents. Money isn't an issue with Comcast so they will match all offers but King might just be posturing to get more value in a possible sign and trade with Dalembert.

There have been some rumors floating recently in Philly that the Sixers are trying to obtain Patterson and Theo from Portland for Mashburn's expiring contract and filler. Maybe if they swing that deal that would give them more flexibility to deal Dalembert but my gut tells me that King is just going to match any offers because he is pretty high on Green and Dalembert. Also the main reason he fired O'Brien was because of the way he used those two players.

Personally I agree with O'Brien I think Green and Dalembert both have fundamental flaws in their games so I think the 76ers should try to unload Dalembert if they could obtain a quality starter in return. But I don't think Billy King feels that way. He seems to think it was all O'Brien and Harter's fault that Dalembert struggled and he is going to be the next Ben Wallace. Go figure.

Anthem
07-06-2005, 04:28 PM
I'd be impressed if Zeke pulled that trade off. It would be pretty impressive, really. Probably his single best move since taking over.

Plus, the Knicks would automatically win 50 games next year.

Pingu
07-06-2005, 04:30 PM
He looks really awkward, a little unathletic too.


Yep, Macijauskas is not NBA material IMO, he can shoot, he's one of the best pure shooter today, but that's the only thing he can do well and he's really thin to play in the NBA.
He was shut down by Gelabale in the ACB finals between Madrid & Tau Vitoria and even if Gelabale is a good defender, he's no Bruce Bowen.

He would be a Fred Hoiberg-type of player. If he doesn't want too much money why not, but we don't have that many roster spots available.

indygeezer
07-06-2005, 05:27 PM
Yep, Macijauskas is not NBA material IMO, he can shoot, he's one of the best pure shooter today, but that's the only thing he can do well and he's really thin to play in the NBA.
He was shut down by Gelabale in the ACB finals between Madrid & Tau Vitoria and even if Gelabale is a good defender, he's no Bruce Bowen.

He would be a Fred Hoiberg-type of player. If he doesn't want too much money why not, but we don't have that many roster spots available.



Hey, knock it off!! The idea is to distract and confuse Cleveland, convince them of his "game"....throw them off of their plan. Didn't you get the memo?

Kegboy
07-06-2005, 06:38 PM
I'd be impressed if Zeke pulled that trade off. It would be pretty impressive, really. Probably his single best move since taking over.

Plus, the Knicks would automatically win 50 games next year.

Forget that, even dumping Steph on Atlanta would be a good move. Al would proudly continue the legacy of undersized PF's for the blue and orange.

Pingu
07-06-2005, 06:45 PM
Hey, knock it off!! The idea is to distract and confuse Cleveland, convince them of his "game"....throw them off of their plan. Didn't you get the memo?

oh... :kicknuts:

what a strategy you have!


addenda: I strongly suggest that any of you interested in either Jasikevicius, Macijauskas, Splitter or Scola should download via peer2peer the final of the Euroleague between Maccabi & Tau Vitoria, it's a good game and it features a lot a future NBA players.

Peck
07-07-2005, 02:55 AM
Allen Iverson & Stephon Marburry in the same backcourt in an NBA regular season. :o

That would either be the most collosal failure to have ever ever EVER happen or it could be the most dynamic duo in NBA history. There is no in-between.

Marburry for one time in his entire career would not be the biggest ball hog on the floor.

BTW, I don't know where to make this statement so I'll make it here. Once again we have seen the flaw of dumping players to get way under the cap unless you are a team who has a shot at a title.

Atlanta, like Chicago, Denver, Charolette Hornets & others before them can not attract any big name free agents to join their clubs. The only way to get out of this quagmire is threw shrewd drafting & trades. They will at best get a decent player to sign for them but it looks like Billy is already starting to panic & will offer huge $$ to players who are not worth anything.

Trust me, it's a crap shoot. The Pacers suffered through hidious seasons & worse, almost a decade of mediocrity, before Walsh hired Brown to take the ship on a new coarse.

Now the one thing Atlanta does have going for it that some of us don't have is that for whatever reason Atlanta seems to be a big attraction to NBA ballers in the off-season so maybe one day they will convince someone to go there, but not until they become at least competative.

foretaz
07-07-2005, 03:29 AM
Allen Iverson & Stephon Marburry in the same backcourt in an NBA regular season. :o

That would either be the most collosal failure to have ever ever EVER happen or it could be the most dynamic duo in NBA history. There is no in-between.

Marburry for one time in his entire career would not be the biggest ball hog on the floor.

BTW, I don't know where to make this statement so I'll make it here. Once again we have seen the flaw of dumping players to get way under the cap unless you are a team who has a shot at a title.

Atlanta, like Chicago, Denver, Charolette Hornets & others before them can not attract any big name free agents to join their clubs. The only way to get out of this quagmire is threw shrewd drafting & trades. They will at best get a decent player to sign for them but it looks like Billy is already starting to panic & will offer huge $$ to players who are not worth anything.

Trust me, it's a crap shoot. The Pacers suffered through hidious seasons & worse, almost a decade of mediocrity, before Walsh hired Brown to take the ship on a new coarse.

Now the one thing Atlanta does have going for it that some of us don't have is that for whatever reason Atlanta seems to be a big attraction to NBA ballers in the off-season so maybe one day they will convince someone to go there, but not until they become at least competative.

yea...i dunno bout starbury and ai....

i dont think billy is in trouble yet....hes acquiring a number of assets....and as long as hes given time to work the process thru, it could turn out alright...as u mentioned...atlanta is a great city, one that alot of players like....

hes got some quality young guys hes acquired in the draft....hes got cap space....ultimately this team will get better via trade as the primary tool...

if he can sign one big free agent this summer by overpaying.....then trade him and some of his young talent down the road, he can begin to see the light at the end of the tunnel....

he just needs to continue to acquire assets and slowly begin to mold them into a team....

he needs a point guard and a center....if hes able to get that center in free agency he could very well be on his way....

if i were him, i would start by offering both eddy curry and tyson chandler the max....force chicago to match both....i dont think they will....u then force chicago to overpay at least one of their guys-which is never a bad thing to do to an inner division rival....then uve got the other guy to be the center on ur team, and a great piece of trade material as sooner or later a team desperate for a bigman will give away the farm to get him....

Peck
07-07-2005, 04:44 AM
That's interesting....

Offer the max to both Chandler & Curry... hmm...I wonder about that on a couple of levels.

1. If your Billy who do you really hope that Chicago doesn't match.

a. Chandler has already proven to be a better defender/rebounder but lacks any real great offensive upside. On the other hand he has a history of injurys.

b. Curry is capable of being an unstoppable monster on the offensive end. There are about a handfull of players in the NBA who has the girth to battle Curry down low. However his rebounding for his size is sub-par & his defense is less than stellar. He also has a well known heart ailment.

2. If your Chicago do you match one, both or neither for the same reasons listed above.

3. If your Chicago is there a trade with Atlanta that you would even be willing to listen to? Sure you might be willing to take one or two of their young wing players but do you need them when you have Dehng & Naccoconi on your team? How many times are you willing to trade away a good young player in hopes of getting a better young player? When is it time to win?

I'm one of the rare ones on this. If I'm Chicago I match whatever offer from any team when it comes to these two. If for no other reason than I would want them for trades in the future, but I feel that Chicago is the most dangerous team that we will face in the next few years if the Cavs. can't get another great player to go alonside King James.