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Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-25-2005, 05:21 PM
Go vote for Reagan!

http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

Anyway George W. Bush was a close 6th losing out on the top b 1/10 of a percent to Ben Franklin. They were chosen by people who voted. The top five are all dead so it's official: George W. Bush is the GREATEST LIVING AMERICAN!

travmil
06-25-2005, 05:40 PM
And he got less votes than Al Gore......

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-25-2005, 05:42 PM
And he got less votes than Al Gore......

Get over it...Bush won the electoral college which is how we choose Presidents. When Bush kicked Kerry's ***, he won the popular vote and the electoral college and I think I recall hearing that doesn't happen very often. I guess it's a good thing we go by the electoral college because God knows what would have happened to this country after 9/11 if we had that dumbass Al Gore as President.

travmil
06-25-2005, 05:48 PM
Get over it...Bush won the electoral college which is how we choose Presidents. When Bush kicked Kerry's ***, he won the popular vote and the electoral college and I think I recall hearing that doesn't happen very often. I guess it's a good thing we go by the electoral college because God knows what would have happened to this country after 9/11 if we had that dumbass Al Gore as President.

You recall hearing incorrectly. The winner of the popular vote has lost the election only twice in history. I'd also hardly think that "Bush kicked Kerry's ***", either. I don't exactly call 51% to 49% a landslide. Especially when you consider that the election basically came down to one state, and is widely regarded as one of the closest elections in history. But don't let facts get in your way.

This is one for the Politics board anyhow

Sollozzo
06-25-2005, 06:14 PM
Go vote for Reagan!

http://tv.channel.aol.com/greatestamerican

Anyway George W. Bush was a close 6th losing out on the top b 1/10 of a percent to Ben Franklin. They were chosen by people who voted. The top five are all dead so it's official: George W. Bush is the GREATEST LIVING AMERICAN!



Why should I vote for Reagan? There should be a rule that "The Greatest American" should not have aided in TREASON against the United States.

The Constitution contains a one-sentence definition of treason:

"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."

That's exactly what Reagan and his administration did. It's always nice to sell missles to a proven enemy of the United States, not to mention one that sponsered terrorism.

That is grounds for impeachment right there. But did anyone really care? No. People cared much more about a Predient lying about getting a sucky in the oval office.

Reagan was a puppet. He gave good speeches, came up with clevar catch phrases, and ate his jelly beans. He made the American people feel good about themselves.

Sollozzo
06-25-2005, 06:19 PM
Get over it...Bush won the electoral college which is how we choose Presidents. When Bush kicked Kerry's ***, he won the popular vote and the electoral college and I think I recall hearing that doesn't happen very often. I guess it's a good thing we go by the electoral college because God knows what would have happened to this country after 9/11 if we had that dumbass Al Gore as President.


Try brushing up on your history.

The only other times a President has won the electoral college while losing the popular vote is 1824(John Quincy Adams), 1876(Hayes) and 1888(Bejamin Harrison)

Every President elected in the 20th century had more popular votes than anyone else.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-25-2005, 06:24 PM
Try brushing up on your history.

The only other times a President has won the electoral college while losing the popular vote is 1824(John Quincy Adams), 1876(Hayes) and 1888(Bejamin Harrison)

Every President elected in the 20th century had more popular votes than anyone else.

Thanks, got it. Bush is still the greatest living American

travmil
06-25-2005, 06:28 PM
Thanks, got it. Bush is still the greatest living American

According to a show that uses an American Idol style voting system?

Glad to know that he's as popular as Kelly Clarkson.

SycamoreKen
06-27-2005, 06:51 PM
Not to mention the lack of historical knowledge or bias of most of the people that voted on this the results are not surpriseing. 2-5 are givens, with Reagan being arguable. That Bush was in the top 25 over some that were not shows how little people know their history. It also shows how the collective effort of a certain segment can influence votes like this.

It brings to mind the Reggie Miller voting scheme of a couple of years ago.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-28-2005, 06:49 PM
Reagan Wins!!

Ronald Reagan = Greatest American
George W. Bush = Greatest Living American

Peck
06-29-2005, 01:07 AM
Reagan Wins!!

Ronald Reagan = Greatest American
George W. Bush = Greatest Living American

As God has chosen!!!!!

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-29-2005, 01:48 AM
2 points for the GOP!

travmil
06-29-2005, 05:05 PM
Reagan Wins!!

Ronald Reagan = Greatest American
George W. Bush = Greatest Living American

I can live with Reagan.

But anyone that thinks W is the greatest living American needs their head examined. Let's put the shoe on the other foot, and suppose that Clinton led a war into Iraq based on false intelligence. He steadfastly refuses to admit for years that the intelligence was false. He gets up in front of people and tells them what they are hearing is wrong. He tells people that Saddam has weapons of mass destruction. He ignores far greater threats in Iran and North Korea that either already have WMD or are very close. In the process of all of this nearly 2,000 service men and women die. Countless civilians from nations all over the world are taken hostage and killed by insurgents. Dead for a lie. Dead because one man believed something that wasn't true. The rest of the world looks down on him and the job he is doing. What do you think conservatives would be saying if the shoe were on the other foot.

I'm not stupid enough to think that politicians are honest. I know that Clinton lied to America too. It's just that nobody died for his lie, and at least he sucked it up and admitted it was a lie. Bush won't even admit that he had bad intelligence. The entire reason that Bush led this country into war is non-existent. The entire reason he has sent soldiers to their deaths is non-existent. The entire reason for an invasion that has produced one of the fiercest anti-American backlashes ever, is non-existent. How can THAT be your greatest living American?

Hoop
06-29-2005, 08:03 PM
Reagan = Great President

George W. Bush = Worst President in the history. The (corporate whore) Bush Administration is behind the biggest assault on our Civil Liberties and Constitution ever. A complete failure at everything he has ever been involved in and he's a lying sack of *****. I even wish the dimwits Gore or Kerry had won over W, heck I wish the pretzel had won.

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-29-2005, 08:06 PM
Reagan = Great President

George W. Bush = Worst President in the history. The (corporate whore) Bush Administration is behind the biggest assault on our Civil Liberties and Constitution ever. A complete failure at everything he has ever been involved in and he's a lying sack of *****. I even wish the dimwits Gore or Kerry had won over W, heck I wish the pretzel had won.

I believe the worst President in the history award is reserved for Bill Clinton. I'll give it to the guy though he can make total idiots believe he was the greatest thing to happen to America while doing absolutley nothing.

Snickers
06-29-2005, 08:25 PM
Man, Jessica Simpson sure is kinda hot!

travmil
06-29-2005, 10:18 PM
I believe the worst President in the history award is reserved for Bill Clinton. I'll give it to the guy though he can make total idiots believe he was the greatest thing to happen to America while doing absolutley nothing.

You're confusing the issue. Nobody said that Clinton was the greatest. We're just saying that W certainly isn't. Try Reading Comprehension 101. And funny, I was thinking almost the exact same thing about "total idiots" thinking that W is the greatest. Sure he's done some stuff. But tell me what is worse. Doing nothing, like Clinton, or doing plenty of things wrong, like W?

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-29-2005, 10:29 PM
You're confusing the issue. Nobody said that Clinton was the greatest. We're just saying that W certainly isn't. Try Reading Comprehension 101. And funny, I was thinking almost the exact same thing about "total idiots" thinking that W is the greatest. Sure he's done some stuff. But tell me what is worse. Doing nothing, like Clinton, or doing plenty of things wrong, like W?

Wrong in your opinion

Suaveness
06-29-2005, 10:30 PM
Wrong in your opinion

Opinions aren't wrong...hence the term opinion

Jesus Shuttlesworth
06-29-2005, 10:32 PM
no, he thinks Bush made the wrong things and i was saying thats his opinion. i guess i forgot a period there.

travmil
06-30-2005, 12:41 PM
no, he thinks Bush made the wrong things and i was saying thats his opinion. i guess i forgot a period there.

OMG! Please shut up. I've been trying to make the point of opinions all along, and now you try to turn it on me? Go away!

Sollozzo
07-01-2005, 11:51 PM
What a JOKE. Just goes to show you how the public is so greatly influenced by media hype. Reagan is certainly the most hyped American. Only 1 year removed from the Reagan-mania that took place last year, it's no suprise the public voted for him.

How can you give the greatest American to anyone in the 20th century?

Washington, Franklin, or Lincoln were the greatest. Without Washington, Franklin and the other founding fathers, there is no United States of America for Ronald Reagan to become President of some 200 years later. Lincoln helped SAVE the nation. The United States would have made it without Ronald Reagan, believe it or not. It may not have without Washington, Franklin, or Lincoln.

Reagan smiled at us, and made us feel good with his corny as hell speeches. There is nothing that he did that should put him in the likes of Washington, Franklin or Lincoln.

travmil
07-02-2005, 11:40 PM
You had better watch your mouth, lest ye draw the ire of people who weren't even born yet when Reagan was elected...

SycamoreKen
07-02-2005, 11:43 PM
Jesoos had been born, but has no recollection of the Regan years since he was only around for the last 3 years of his 2nd term.

Hicks
07-02-2005, 11:49 PM
I won't badmouth Reagan, because frankly I have no idea how overrated he was or not. He has charisma, a lot people like him, and that's all I really know of the man.

But I agree with Adam that it should have been someone closer to our formation, or perhaps Lincoln.

Bball
07-03-2005, 12:08 AM
I believe the worst President in the history award is reserved for Bill Clinton. I'll give it to the guy though he can make total idiots believe he was the greatest thing to happen to America while doing absolutley nothing.


If Clinton is the worst what does that make Jimmy Carter?

-Bball

Bball
07-03-2005, 12:17 AM
I won't badmouth Reagan, because frankly I have no idea how overrated he was or not. He has charisma, a lot people like him, and that's all I really know of the man.

But I agree with Adam that it should have been someone closer to our formation, or perhaps Lincoln.

While I am not going to be the one to do it, you'll find a certain segment would argue with you over Lincoln's place in history in that some have accused him of strengthening the Federal government well past what the founding fathers ever intended and shifted government down a new path that no longer holds the people's rights/liberties in the high regards originally intended.

It's an interesting discussion to hear. It has nothing to do with the issue of ending slavery per se', just the fact that Lincoln presided over, and drove, a fundamental change in our government.

-Bball

Sollozzo
07-03-2005, 12:35 AM
While I am not going to be the one to do it, you'll find a certain segment would argue with you over Lincoln's place in history in that some have accused him of strengthening the Federal government well past what the founding fathers ever intended and shifted government down a new path that no longer holds the people's rights/liberties in the high regards originally intended.

It's an interesting discussion to hear. It has nothing to do with the issue of ending slavery per se', just the fact that Lincoln presided over, and drove, a fundamental change in our government.

-Bball


Lincoln has just become an immortal figure in this country, probably forever. You'll rarely find someone mainstream that is going to criticize "honest Abe".

I often wonder how modern Presidents will be viewed in say a century. It's clear that Reagan will have a great legacy. I'm not so sure about Clinton or the Bush's. I don't think George Bush Sr. will be mentioned much in a century, except for being part of another father/son duo. Honestly, nothing that huge happened under the Bush Sr. administration that will cause him to be remembered greatly say 100 years down the road. He will be a man that is remembered for presiding inbetween the Reagan years, and the Clinton years.

Clinton may because 1) he presided 8 years and 2) there was a large economic boom in the US(whether he deserves some credit for it or not). George W. Bush will be remembered for the terrorism that came during his administration and his response to it.

rabid
07-03-2005, 02:04 PM
I don't think George Bush Sr. will be mentioned much in a century, except for being part of another father/son duo. Honestly, nothing that huge happened under the Bush Sr. administration that will cause him to be remembered greatly say 100 years down the road.


Uh, I gotta disagree here. "Nothing that huge happened?"

There, um, was this little thing called 9/11 that happened on his watch...

W will be remembered for 9/11, the "war on terror" and its consequences (good or bad), the Iraq war, and being part of the rise of the neo-conservative movement, which now conveniently runs BOTH houses of congress, the presidency and the Supreme Court. Thus W will also get "credit" for things like the Patriot Act, the Abu Graib prison torture scandal, and the upcoming Supreme Court justice nomination, which will likely result in the overturning of Roe vs. Wade among other things.

A lot has happened on W's watch. He will be remembered alright, but probably not the way some of you are hoping.

Peck
07-03-2005, 02:31 PM
Uh, I gotta disagree here. "Nothing that huge happened?"

There, um, was this little thing called 9/11 that happened on his watch...

W will be remembered for 9/11, the "war on terror" and its consequences (good or bad), the Iraq war, and being part of the rise of the neo-conservative movement, which now conveniently runs BOTH houses of congress, the presidency and the Supreme Court. Thus W will also get "credit" for things like the Patriot Act, the Abu Graib prison torture scandal, and the upcoming Supreme Court justice nomination, which will likely result in the overturning of Roe vs. Wade among other things.

A lot has happened on W's watch. He will be remembered alright, but probably not the way some of you are hoping.


While Pacersfanadam was incorrect to labe him George Bush Sr. (they do not have the same name so therefor Jr & Sr do not fit) he clearly stated that it was the fathers adminstration that would not be remembered in history.

SycamoreKen
07-03-2005, 03:53 PM
While Pacersfanadam was incorrect to labe him George Bush Sr. (they do not have the same name so therefor Jr & Sr do not fit) he clearly stated that it was the fathers adminstration that would not be remembered in history.

Unless he is remembered as the one that didn't finish the job in Iraq the first time, right or wrong.

Sollozzo
07-03-2005, 05:39 PM
Uh, I gotta disagree here. "Nothing that huge happened?"

There, um, was this little thing called 9/11 that happened on his watch...

W will be remembered for 9/11, the "war on terror" and its consequences (good or bad), the Iraq war, and being part of the rise of the neo-conservative movement, which now conveniently runs BOTH houses of congress, the presidency and the Supreme Court. Thus W will also get "credit" for things like the Patriot Act, the Abu Graib prison torture scandal, and the upcoming Supreme Court justice nomination, which will likely result in the overturning of Roe vs. Wade among other things.

A lot has happened on W's watch. He will be remembered alright, but probably not the way some of you are hoping.

Like Peck said, I CLEARLY stated that it was George Herbert Walker Bush that I did not think would be remembered. I CLEARLY stated in my post that George W Bush will be remembered for the terrorism that came during his administration.

Peck, you're right, I am wrong in saying Bush Sr. I was trying to distinguish the two Bush's in my post. "George Herbert Walker Bush" or "George Bush 41" would have been a better way.

Isaac
07-03-2005, 06:53 PM
I voted Malcolm X.

Sollozzo
07-03-2005, 07:54 PM
I voted Malcolm X.

:lol2:

Yeah, who knows where the United States of America would be today if it weren't for the great Malcolm X?

He was involved in Drug Dealing, Pimping, and Robbery. He feigned insanity to dodge the WW2 Draft. He was sentenced to prison for 8-10 years on charges of breaking and entering, carrying firearms, and larceny.

When John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, all Malcolm X could say was that it was a case of "chickens coming home to roost."(Would Malcolm X think that about his own murder some 2 years later?) He later added to that "chickens coming home never makes me sad, it makes me glad." Doesn't take a genious to figure out that the assassination didn't bother him at all.

Who cares how you stand politically, if you have no sympathy for the President of YOUR country being assassinated, you are not a great American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

Martin Luther King, I have total respect for, he believed in bringing his message across with peace. I don't have ANY respect for Malcolm X.

rabid
07-04-2005, 04:10 PM
Like Peck said, I CLEARLY stated that it was George Herbert Walker Bush that I did not think would be remembered. I CLEARLY stated in my post that George W Bush will be remembered for the terrorism that came during his administration.

Peck, you're right, I am wrong in saying Bush Sr. I was trying to distinguish the two Bush's in my post. "George Herbert Walker Bush" or "George Bush 41" would have been a better way.

Sorry, my bad. My apologies lol

Sollozzo
07-04-2005, 04:22 PM
Sorry, my bad. My apologies lol


No problem, just wanted to make sure you understood what Bush I was referring to.

Isaac
07-05-2005, 06:56 PM
:lol2:

Yeah, who knows where the United States of America would be today if it weren't for the great Malcolm X?

He was involved in Drug Dealing, Pimping, and Robbery. He feigned insanity to dodge the WW2 Draft. He was sentenced to prison for 8-10 years on charges of breaking and entering, carrying firearms, and larceny.

When John Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, all Malcolm X could say was that it was a case of "chickens coming home to roost."(Would Malcolm X think that about his own murder some 2 years later?) He later added to that "chickens coming home never makes me sad, it makes me glad." Doesn't take a genious to figure out that the assassination didn't bother him at all.

Who cares how you stand politically, if you have no sympathy for the President of YOUR country being assassinated, you are not a great American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_X

Martin Luther King, I have total respect for, he believed in bringing his message across with peace. I don't have ANY respect for Malcolm X.

I'll respond to this when I have time, but you have a lot of mis-understandings about Malcolm X.

Sollozzo
07-05-2005, 09:57 PM
I'll respond to this when I have time, but you have a lot of mis-understandings about Malcolm X.



I doubt it.

Most of my "understandings" are confirmed by Wikipedia.org, a reliable, non partisan encyclopedia.

But yes, please respond.

heywoode
07-07-2005, 11:56 PM
Did Jesus Shuttlesworth get banned for his pointedly one sided love of the GOP? I found his posts in this thread so inane they were funny......


My opinion:

Hands down the greatest American was the original G-Dub......George Washington.