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scar
05-10-2005, 10:29 PM
I was thinking, when Ron comes into training camp next seasons, he isn't probably gunna be very sharp. It'll probably take alot of time for him to get into game condition. So I was thinking fellow Pacers fans, should Ron Artest participate in the Summer League? I personally think he should. I think it would do him some good and give us a look at him long before the season starts. That way, I can get my dose of Ron Artest that I've gone oh so long without.

Hicks
05-10-2005, 10:31 PM
Ron Artest is in game condition all year long.

Jermaniac
05-10-2005, 10:43 PM
I think I heard Rick say before that they might play Ron in the summer league, but there is also like what 5 games in the preseason where Ron can play to get into game shape.

But man can you imagine Ron in the summer league with all those 2nd round pick rookies, and those undrafted rooks, damn that would be fun to watch.

Unclebuck
05-10-2005, 10:44 PM
Ron being in shape is the least of my concerns. That won't be a problem.

jbx225
05-10-2005, 10:45 PM
It might get him back into the flow of things, but really the summer leauge doesn't have the highest level of compeptition, so it might not be beneficial for him. Also he wouldn't be playing with anybody that he would normally be playing with/against, just a group of B-Sides trying to make their mark. I would probably say that he should not. We don't want to risk an injury for something without any real meaning.

Anthem
05-10-2005, 11:03 PM
Nope. I'd rather give the minutes to James Jones or our draft pick.

I expect Freddie to spend the summer league the same way he did last year... playing at point guard.

Mr. Pink
05-11-2005, 12:05 AM
You kidding me? Ron doesn't need this. He has been practicing with the team a lot. I don't think he'd be out of the "flow" toooo badly.

pb777
05-11-2005, 12:27 AM
That would be a waste of his time. He will most likely continue his private workouts and play in "other" leagues designed for NBA players looking for summer play... I remember a few years ago, maybe around 99 or 2000, the Pacers would run scrimages in the summer at a gym near IUPUI. Dont know if they still do but they did.

scar
05-11-2005, 12:32 AM
I personally think Ron should come back and play in the Summer Leagues simply for the love of the game. He's been out and I imagine that he misses televised games, even if they are against people like Nikoloz Tskitishvilli.

I just wanna see him play again.

pb777
05-11-2005, 12:48 AM
I hear ya, but what if one of these rookies wants to make a statement and get national pub by breaking Ron's arm or something foul like that
:censored::mad::censored::mad::mad::censored:

ChicagoJ
05-11-2005, 01:28 AM
Kinda like when Ron 'snapped' and broke Jordan's ribs over at Hoops?

Arcadian
05-11-2005, 01:31 AM
Ron's playing would just be a distraction and unfair to those trying to make a roster.

Anthem
05-11-2005, 02:29 AM
Kinda like when Ron 'snapped' and broke Jordan's ribs over at Hoops?

Which Jordan loved, and said he'd love to have a guy like Ron on his team...

Hoop
05-11-2005, 02:40 AM
Kinda like when Ron 'snapped' and broke Jordan's ribs over at Hoops?
I had nothing to do with it. :laugh:

Peck
05-11-2005, 03:05 AM
Let me look at it in a differant view.

I would not concern myself with Ron being in condition. Of that I have no fear whatsoever.

Do I think Ron needs the summer league? No.

Would it distract from others trying to make the team? Yes. But let's be real there is almost zero chance of a player not drafted by us being on our roster next season from the summer leagues.

Here is the real way I look at it though.

I would much rather have Ron play summer league ball in an organized setting than to be playing in the entertainers division at Rucker park. The last thing we need is for Ron to be out there playing streetball getting encouragement for bad ball.

But at the end of the day I don't really care.

Stryder
05-11-2005, 08:46 AM
Kinda like when Ron 'snapped' and broke Jordan's ribs over at Hoops?

I believe he didn't intentionally hurt MJ.

Saying he snapped is a misnomer and misrepresentation.

ChicagoJ
05-11-2005, 10:08 AM
Do you guys not know the story? (Sam Smith put it in The Tribune and then everybody went into 'denial mode'). I certainly don't like Ron but there's enough garbage about him that I don't need to make anything up.

Jordan was teasing Ron about being broke during a summer pickup game at Tim Grover's gym (Hoops the Gym). Ron picked him up and bodyslammed him to the court.

Everyone who witnessed it was sworn to secrecy, and yes they tried later to tell the story of a "hard foul on a spin move", mostly in The Tribune's rival, The SunTimes. I mean, if you're going to use Rick Telander to discredit Sam Smith... well, I suppose neither of those guys are very high on the 'credibility' scale.

So believe what you want to believe.

http://espn.go.com/magazine/telander_20010802.html

ChicagoJ
05-11-2005, 10:28 AM
Well, in Chicago, with competing newspapers and competing columnists (even Sun-Times columnists have competing shows on ESPN for example) - and none of them function as "the Bulls' unofficial PR department"...

I think a case could be made that the truth is usually reported first, then everyone goes into damage control mode. But its always possible that somebody just plain lied to Sam Smith when he got "the scoop". The only people that really know were at 1380 W Randolph St. in Chicago that afternoon.

This is different from a market with only one newspaper, and that newspaper has a cozy relationship with the home team.

bmac
05-11-2005, 10:47 AM
To me the bigger issue is not Ron playing summer ball but Bender. I honestly don't think he has ever played the full summer schedule w/out being sidelined due to an injury. I've been wrong before but I sure don't remember him completing summer play, and we all know, the benefits from that competition would be tremendous for our "favorite injury-waiting to happen". For Ron that competion is not so critical to his improvement.

Anthem
05-11-2005, 11:27 AM
And Jordan loved every minute of it and said he wanted Artest on his team... how do you spin that, exactly?

ChicagoJ
05-11-2005, 11:53 AM
If Jordan thinks he can "tame" Ron, make a trade with him.

Let's see, if Jordan ever gets another job in the league, what he really offers up for Ron.

I think there are a lot of GMs, etc. that will say publicly, "I'd love to have Ron" or as Riley said, "I'd love to have a team full of Ron's". But when you get them on a confernce call, and ask what they'd be willing to give up, it isn't much. And that's more meaningful than the public comments. Now these threads are all running together.

I can't find Jerry West's quote, I know we've had it in here. But it was Michael Heisley (Memphis' owner) that was interested in Artest. Not West. That's why the Bonzi-for-Ron rumors just won't die.

Anthem
05-11-2005, 12:05 PM
But when you get them on a confernce call, and ask what they'd be willing to give up, it isn't much. And that's more meaningful than the public comments. Now these threads are all running together.

Because you listen to so many conference calls. :flirt:

I'm not going to talk about this any more. I keep breaking my rule. We'll see what happens over the summer.

ChicagoJ
05-11-2005, 12:21 PM
Because you listen to so many conference calls. :flirt:

Well, I just believe that if there were any offers DW and LB believed they could sell to the public, they would've made a move. Its also fine to believe that Riley, et. al. were making legit offers and that DW and Bird turned them down.

Its interesting because we just read somewhere (I think it was from Peter May) that Bird wanted to move Artest last summer and DW overruled it. Many of us thought it was the opposite.


I'm not going to talk about this any more. I keep breaking my rule. We'll see what happens over the summer.

I know. I wish I could stop myself. Well, the forum will speak up soon about which of us they "love to hate" more... :blush:

Hicks
05-11-2005, 12:42 PM
Its interesting because we just read somewhere (I think it was from Peter May) that Bird wanted to move Artest last summer and DW overruled it. Many of us thought it was the opposite.

I must have missed that, but it sounds like BS to me.

Kegboy
05-11-2005, 06:37 PM
Back on topic...

Personally, I really like the idea of Ron playing in the summer league. It'd get him back to feeling like part of the team, and more importantly, it'd give him a taste of how he's gonna be treated by opposing fans, which, in a word, will be brutal. He needs to be exposed to that so he can (hopefully) mentally prepare himself for when the season arrives.

Plus, if Ron is as good at helping guys in practice as they say, it'd be the first step in reforming his image. Not only is he taking his licks by working his way back onto the team, but he's helping them become better.

Problem is, jackass Stern would never allow it. Any wiff of it, and he'd postpone reinstating Ron until October.