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Spicoli
04-22-2005, 03:26 PM
Anyone have any thoughts/predictions as to whom the Colts are going to draft this weekend? After we picked Clark and Sanders out of Iowa the past few seasons, a lot of people expect us to take one of the Hawkeye's defensive linemen . . . Roth or Babineaux, I believe.

Also, some of the mocks have us taking a linebacker to fill the hole Morris left behind. I have a hard time believing we'll take a LB high in the draft after picking Pope and Gardener last year, and I don't see us reaching to draft one early.

I wouldn't be surprised if we picked a DT, one of the Cody's, Patterson from USC, etc....

Of course, w/ Polian, we may take a WR or a TE...

Natston
04-22-2005, 03:33 PM
I think that they will either take the BTEA (Best Tight End Available) or trade down. I think that if Matt Jones or Heath Miller is there when we draft, then I think we'll be able to trade down since I think teams will want to move in front of the Steelers.

Natston
04-22-2005, 03:38 PM
I think that if Matt Jones or Heath Miller is there when we draft

or we'll take one of 'em... :whistle:

Spicoli
04-22-2005, 03:45 PM
I agree that if anyone wants to move into our spot at 29, we will for sure trade down and avoid paying any 1st round $$$. You know Polian is just hoping someone will slide down a little to make the 29 pick valuable.

Natston
04-22-2005, 03:51 PM
One thing that I can see is the Eagles making a move for James since they have extra picks...

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:17 PM
Let's get the Colts Tight End lovefest started!!! :pepper: :dance:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 12:20 PM
Come on Heath Miller! Whooooooooo!

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:20 PM
Our first TE will come off the board in about 6 or 7 hours...









It seems that 15 minutes is way too long, and I think every team is trying to swing a trade this year... :(

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:22 PM
Come on Heath Miller! Whooooooooo!

I'd rather take Matt Jones so we can keep our options open for another selection of a TE or a WR... :cool:

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:24 PM
Alex Smits?

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:27 PM
Here is where it gets interesting... :uhoh:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 12:30 PM
Only 250+ minutes until the Colts will pick...

:sleep:

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:30 PM
Only 250+ minutes until the Colts will pick...

:sleep:

Thats if we don't trade down... :blush:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 12:33 PM
Thats if we don't trade down... :blush:
Now you've gone and done it. Ugh. Well, whatever. Time to find some popcorn and a nice spot on the couch.

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:36 PM
Now you've gone and done it. Ugh. Well, whatever. Time to find some popcorn and a nice spot on the couch.

I think we'll end up having to switch over from the Pacers game just to find out we took a TE...

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:38 PM
Ronnie Brown to the Fins, all the TEs are still on the board...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 12:54 PM
Do you know what sux? I can't get to RATS at work(not that that's a bad thing), but out of all the Colts boards I can go to, this is the one that has the biggest draft thread. And it's on a Pacers board.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 12:55 PM
I betcha Benson goes to da bears. Any takers?

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:56 PM
Do you know what sux? I can't get to RATS at work(not that that's a bad thing), but out of all the Colts boards I can go to, this is the one that has the biggest draft thread. And it's on a Pacers board.

And it's got 4 people... :unimpress

I think its either Caddy or Benson here for da bears...

Natston
04-23-2005, 12:59 PM
Bull****. They're taking Heath Miller to foil our plans. If that happens, so help me...


I'll throw a cup of Beer on Solider Stadium.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:00 PM
I think the Bears will grab Benson, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down. Whatever they do, they should go offensive.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:06 PM
Do these a-holes really have to take the whole 15? Jeebus.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:06 PM
The Bears best bet is to trade down here. But I don't know if there's anyone who wants to trade up...

Ther emight be someone that wants to jump ahead of the Bucs to take Williams or Williams

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:08 PM
That dinging sound is annoying. I thought Thomas Jones was the man for da Bears. Makes me wonder where he fits in now.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Caddy, Mike, or Rodgers for TB?

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:15 PM
It seems like everyone will talk the full 15 minutes this year... :grumble:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Cadillac has to be heading to Tampa...only 7:01 'til the Bucs make it official.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:15 PM
Cedric Benson sure is pretty damn bitter for a guy who just became a multi-millionaire.
It was like it was him against the world. What a baby. Go run your *** off and shut-up.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:17 PM
Cedric Benson sure is pretty damn bitter for a guy who just became a multi-millionaire.

Maybe the comparison to Ricky wasn't far off, or he's mad because he is being compared to Ricky.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:21 PM
He also brought race into the comparison.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:22 PM
I think it's going to be cadilac. His family is going nuts before Tags made the call.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:23 PM
Well it'll be either Williams or a CB to the Titans. I'm leaning towards a CB since their cupboard is bare and they get to play us... :devil:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:24 PM
The more offense selected the better for us.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:25 PM
I hope the Titans take Aaron Rodgers. I sure hope so... :devil:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:25 PM
Tennessee? They could go a lot of places, including trading down. If they pick a player, probably Rolle.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:26 PM
The more offense and the fewer tight ends selected, the better for us.

;)

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:30 PM
We even broke out the record player for this one... :o

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:31 PM
Did anybody just here Cadilac tell Sexy Suzy that "Ronnie Brown won the War, but I'm going to win the battle". :lol:

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:33 PM
Did anybody just here Cadilac tell Sexy Suzy that "Ronnie Brown won the War, but I'm going to win the battle". :lol:

I didn't catch it, but that is ****ing funny as ****. Oops, wrong thread... :blush:

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:34 PM
1 cookie says that they go to commercial when the Colts get on the clock, and then spend the rest of the time talking about other teams.....

You better run to the store because we have 9 picks... :mad: You just had remind me... :D

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Titans take Jones... No surprise there...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:35 PM
Pacman eh? Well, have fun being victimized by the Colts for years to come...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:35 PM
You better run to the store because we have 9 picks... :mad: You just had remind me... :D
Happens every year.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:36 PM
And the Titty-ans select a 5'9 corner. THEY'RE TAKING OUR FAVORITE KIND OF DB'S.

:goponies:

Whats the over/under on Marv's TDs against him? I'm guessing 5...

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:37 PM
Mike Williams or Williamson to the Vikes?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:37 PM
He was loving that camera too.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:39 PM
How far does Rodgers fall?

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:39 PM
Yeah, ESPN always shafts the Colts during the draft. I have no doubt they'll do it again this year.

Okay, Minnesota needs a WR or a CB. I have no clue who they might pick, but I figure it will among Williamson, Williams, Rolle, or Rogers.... there, I've narrowed it down to 4.

(Now watch them pick someone outside of that group....)

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:41 PM
Vikings will take Mike Williams.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:42 PM
Yeah, ESPN always shafts the Colts during the draft. I have no doubt they'll do it again this year.

Okay, Minnesota needs a WR or a CB. I have no clue who they might pick, but I figure it will among Williamson, Williams, Rolle, or Rogers.... there, I've narrowed it down to 4.

(Now watch them pick someone outside of that group....)

They have Smoot and Winfield at corner, They don't need a CB this high...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:43 PM
Damn, I forgot they'd grabbed Smoot. My bad. Okay. Definitely a WR then.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:44 PM
I wish someone would take Williams so Kiper will shut the **** up and stop brown nosing Mike's ***.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:46 PM
Arizona would be nuts not to take him if he's there at 8.

I don't know, they have Macklin as their starting CB...

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:47 PM
I wish someone would take Williams so Kiper will shut the **** up and stop brown nosing Mike's ***.

Damn you Vikings...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:48 PM
Williamson it is. Okay, the Cardinals are up next.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:48 PM
I guess I was wrong. It happens.

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:52 PM
Denny likes offensive players in the first, maybe they won't take a CB...

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:57 PM
I think the skins will take Carlos Rodgers

Natston
04-23-2005, 01:57 PM
Denny likes offensive players in the first, maybe they won't take a CB...

Damn you btown for making me change my mind...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 01:58 PM
Rolle to 'Zona. Washington is up next.. Carlos Rogers, anyone?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 01:59 PM
Skins HAVE to take Rodgers.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:00 PM
Skins HAVE to take Rodgers.

Which one?

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:02 PM
If no trades happen (unlikely), Aaron Rodgers really only would interest Dallas in the next 12 picks.

I think the Boys would take a DE over Rodgers at this point...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:05 PM
Aaron Rodgers could be in for a scary long wait in that green room.

I'm with btown on this one. The Redskins should take Carlos Rogers now and grab their QB (likely Jason Campbell) at 25.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:05 PM
I do too (though Jerry Jones loves his franchise QB's). Taking Rodgers would be admitting that Henson has already failed, and they're unlikely to make that concession.

I think Bill would kill someone in the warroom if Jerry picks a QB...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:07 PM
Aaron Rodgers could be in for a scary long wait in that green room.

I'm with btown on this one. The Redskins should take Carlos Rogers now and grab their QB (likely Jason Campbell) at 25.

If no one trades up, then I think that he'd go to either the Chiefs or Packers (but not a high chance of going to either)

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:08 PM
Mike Williams WOULD add some size to that tiny, fast recieving core of the 'Skins.....but they need a QB who isn't terrible...and another corner...

Two consecutive teams with starting ex-colt Cbs, nuff said...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:09 PM
Who the hell is this Mel Kiper, anyway?

:eyebrow:

Has Tobin ever found the answer to that? :laugh:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:11 PM
Told you they would take Rodgers.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:11 PM
:laugh:

Good point.

I was right... :-p

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:12 PM
I think the Lions could go just about anywhere here... :shrug:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:13 PM
I think the Lions will take OT here.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:15 PM
I think the Lions should take a big poopy on Joey Harrington and take Rodgers.

Not that I believe in the curse, but they'd be replacing one Tedford QB with another...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:16 PM
BTW, my Rangers are up 6-1 on the spankee's.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:17 PM
Wow, they must have a trade in the works or something...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:18 PM
Wow, they must have a trade in the works or something... On second thought they might move him to TE or H-Back...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:18 PM
Detroit picks Mike Williams? Fascinating.

:gossip:

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:19 PM
It makes them better but they need help defensively in the worst way...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:21 PM
Joey Harrington just rubbed one out.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:22 PM
I wonder what Kstat thinks about pick... :shrug:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:22 PM
Parcells and Jones are sitting together and laughing.. everyone, be afraid. Be very afraid.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:24 PM
Maybe the Lions will trade Williams.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:26 PM
Maybe the Lions will trade Williams.

I think they'll keep him as insurance to Rodgers and his collarbone, and use him at TE and WR...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:27 PM
Good job btown.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:28 PM
1) Ware
2) Merriman
3) Rodgers

That's the picks for Dallas in order of likelihood.

Good job...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:28 PM
Dallas takes Ware at #11. Another point for btown.

San Diego is up. I have no clue what the hell they're going to do.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:28 PM
Told you. You owe me a cookie.

I didn't know cookies were being bet yet...

bmac
04-23-2005, 02:29 PM
Ummm.......any of you guys see where the fins traded Patrick Surtain and a #5 to the Chiefs for a 2 and 5? God would I have loved to see the Colts make a move on that one. Surtain is a stud........this was undoubtedly a money issue, at least the stupidity of the trade sure hints at that.
Odds are the Colts pick a much needed tight end in the first. Maybe pick up a quarterback in the second round. Can't get enough offense in this here league right?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:29 PM
I see San Diego taking Aaron Rodgers. That would give them Brees, Rivers and Rodgers. :lol:

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:32 PM
Ummm.......any of you guys see where the fins traded Patrick Surtain and a #5 to the Chiefs for a 2 and 5? God would I have loved to see the Colts make a move on that one. Surtain is a stud........this was undoubtedly a money issue, at least the stupidity of the trade sure hints at that.
Odds are the Colts pick a much needed tight end in the first. Maybe pick up a quarterback in the second round. Can't get enough offense in this here league right?

I wouldn't give up both a 2nd round pick and that much money to a non zone corner who could get old fast...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:33 PM
Chargers taking an OT.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:35 PM
That's a cookie!

I'd rather give up that much for a cookie instead of making Surtain the third highest paid CB in the NFL...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:36 PM
Anyone that says "I'm a humble guy" loses 3 cookies in my book.

Where did that come from? :confused:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:38 PM
:goponies:

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:40 PM
Interviewing Aaron Rodgers in the Green Room.

He was explaining why a team should pick him, and he stressed that he's a "humble guy".

If he's so humble, why is he listing it as one of his redeeming qualities?

Cookies were lost there.

I shouldn't lose cookies, I know you're the least humble guy on this board... :cry:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:41 PM
What are the Texans going to do?

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:43 PM
Houston is going with Alex Barron. No need to list 2 other possibilities.

I think they could go anywhere, but for ****s and giggles, I think they'll take Derrick Johnson...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:43 PM
I meant that Rodgers lost cookies. I'd never take cookies away from you... :flirt:

Thank Gosh...

bmac
04-23-2005, 02:44 PM
I wouldn't give up both a 2nd round pick and that much money to a non zone corner who could get old fast...


Probably right......but he can play defense, damnit!

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:45 PM
You better get a hell of a lot more than ****s and giggles out of a guy if you're paying him that much to play LB.... I want our up an coming rivals to screw themselves over... :blush:

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:48 PM
Maybe it'll be Pollack instead...

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:49 PM
Well who do the Saints want?

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 02:50 PM
Oooooooooo..a trade... New Orleans trades with Houston in order to select OT Jammal Brown.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:51 PM
I knew somebody would draft an OT.

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:51 PM
Barron to the Kittycats?

Natston
04-23-2005, 02:52 PM
I knew somebody would draft an OT.

Way to go out on a limb... :flirt:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 02:57 PM
Way to go out on a limb... :flirt:
thanks.

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:00 PM
Maybe the Panthers are trying to trade now that they lost out on their guy...

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:04 PM
Or Mike Tice called to lecture them about time management?

I like my theory better... :-p

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:07 PM
Will anyone stab me in the face if I say that I think the Chiefs might take Aaron Rodgers?

:uhoh:


I already mentioned the possibility... :flirt:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 03:07 PM
Kansas City has to pick Johnson... right? They wouldn't pick Rodgers... right?

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:08 PM
The good news? Only 2 front seven players have gone so far.

The bad news? The front seven choices aren't very good this year (and we're about to see a run on what's left0.

That means that there will be tight ends a plenty... :)

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:15 PM
We're half way to our impending trade down or drafting of a WR/TE...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 03:17 PM
Kansas City picks Derrick Johnson.

Meanwhile, the NBA Playoffs have began... yippy skippy.

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:19 PM
As many issues as Barron has, the Texans need to take a shot on a guy with that much physical ability on the O-Line.
No they don't, they need to take the kicker here... :D

cramerica
04-23-2005, 03:25 PM
Those kids looked like somebody beat the ***** out of them.

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:29 PM
I forgot about the postman comments though...

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:43 PM
Pollack to the Bengals

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:45 PM
I think the Vikes will take a DE here...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 03:51 PM
Erasmus James is going to the Vikings. Book it.

(Maybe.)
I'll second that.

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:53 PM
Roth, Spears, Cody 1, Cody 2, and Patterson are still available...

Natston
04-23-2005, 03:55 PM
The Rams O-Line is beyond awful. Their pick will be Alex Barron, and they'll move him over to RT. Or they'll blow it on Jones because Martz likes projects...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:04 PM
The Cowboys still need some DL help. They'll take Marcus Spears.

Mark Clayton is an option, but I'm guessing DL is the choice and Spears is the pick.

I agree it'll be Spears or a fellow DE/DT tweener...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:10 PM
As for the Jags, I think they might ruin the hopes and dreams of Colts fans everywhere and take Heath Miller.

But in the end, I think their choice will be Dan Cody (but maybe Shuan Cody if they think he can play DE)...

What about Roth here?

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:15 PM
They took Matt Jones...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:18 PM
Oh wow.

Jacksonville has no idea what it's doing.

When you're a team not that far away from winning consistently, the last thing you need is a workout-warrior who needs tons and tons of coaching to even have a chance of making a positive impact on your team.





Having said that, the only two good games he'll have next year will be against the Colts.

Almost all of their offensive players are huge, and we're still small on defense...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:20 PM
Baltimore NEEDS Aaron Rodgers, but then they'd be admitting that Boller is a failure.

So I bet they go with Mark Clayton to team up with Derrick Mason.

I agree about Clayton. Aaron Rodgers will probally go to the Pacers or Skins now...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:22 PM
I don't really see the Pacers having a huge need for him.

But I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Packers took him.

:grumble:

We need someone to take the offensive players we've targeted so we'll be forced to draft defensive or trade down... :pray:

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 04:26 PM
Seattle and Oakland have made a swap. Oakland is now up at pick 23...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:28 PM
Wondering if Shade will show up... :whistle:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 04:29 PM
Hamza Abdullah is what I say

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:30 PM
Still waiting for good ole Craphanso to get drafted... :laugh:

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:31 PM
The Seahawks are going with a Cody.

Dan if they want a DE, or Shaun if they need a DT tweener.

EDIT- Apparently the Raiders traded into this spot now.

They might go with Aaron Rodgers, though Fabian Washington is a strong possiblity since they Raiders love speed in place of talent.

Half a point there...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 04:33 PM
Pack gets Rodgers.

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:35 PM
Eventhough I thought he'd go to the Pacers, I think Rodgers will go to the Cheese heads...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 04:44 PM
That's a cookie for me right?

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 04:45 PM
Well thank goodness that's over for Rodgers. Now I hope the Redskins hurry up and take Campbell (the worst kept secret of the week) so we can move this show along.

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:47 PM
I think someone needs to take Heath so we won't take him...

Natston
04-23-2005, 04:50 PM
There aren't any teams in front of us that need a TE.......which scares the **** out of me. I'm hoping that it will allow us to trade down because someone might want to jump in front of the Steelers for him...

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:00 PM
I'm starting to :shudder: ... :uhoh:

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:05 PM
You should be.

I don't want to run a four tight end formation next year...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
It'll be Matt Roth.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
for us.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:09 PM
I just hope it's not Marlin Jackson. And I hope it's not a trade. I can't wait any longer.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:10 PM
A center? Chris Spencer.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:12 PM
The Seahawks are stupid.


Sounds like they drafted on need...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:15 PM
The Colts are going to have a interesting group to select from. At this rate, we're only 40 minutes away from knowing who the Ponies will choose. Unless they trade their pick...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:19 PM
Falcons get Roddy White.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:23 PM
Falcons get Roddy White.

point for you

Unclebuck
04-23-2005, 05:23 PM
A draft thread. When do the Pacers draft ?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:24 PM
Heath Miller will be available.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:25 PM
Barnes for the chargers?

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:26 PM
Do they need a Tight End?
Zing.

Mel Kiper is such a pompous ***. :rolleyes:

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:28 PM
Way to be original. :rolleyes:

I didn't even see your post until after I posted... :censored:

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:34 PM
I can't believe they switched to ESPN2 for this NBA carp. I don't get the duese at work. *****sticks.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:34 PM
The Chargers take Mr.Roids

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:35 PM
Ring the bell suckers, the colts are on the clock...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:35 PM
WE'RE ON THE CLOCK!

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:36 PM
TRAAAAAAAADE IT!

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:37 PM
I smell a commercial...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:37 PM
The more I think about it, the more we should trade this pick.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:38 PM
Hmm... Roth, Patterson, D. Cody, S. Cody...

We'll most likely grab Roth. The Iowa pipeline continues...

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:38 PM
The more I think about it, the more we should trade this pick.

we should trade down to the early 2nd round with the Codys and Roth left.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:38 PM
I smell a commercial...
I ****ing knew it.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
so what's the word?

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
They actually drafted a CB... :o

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:40 PM
Marlin Jackson

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:41 PM
MARLIN JACKSON! OH COME ON!

Dammit Bill.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:41 PM
Wow. Why didn't we trade this?

Jermaniac
04-23-2005, 05:42 PM
Who did you guys want?

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:42 PM
Heath to the Steelers...

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:44 PM
Heath to the Steelers...

Point to me... :(

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:45 PM
I'm content with this, but I wish we would of traded down. Guess there were no takers.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 05:45 PM
I swear if Polian doesn't find a way to trade up into the early second round and pick up an above average LB/DL/DE, I'm going to lose it.

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:47 PM
I'm content with this, but I wish we would of traded down. Guess there were no takers. They probally really wanted Jackson, and figured he wouldn't get past the Steelers or the Pats in the first round let alone make it to the second...

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:50 PM
I bet the Patsies take Justin Miller to fill their CB needs.

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 05:54 PM
So how is Marlin Jackson?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:56 PM
Marlin Jackson is a rare individual, blessed with immense physical talent, but cursed with a past he can't run from fast enough. It's why that when he had the chance to declare his eligibility for the 2004 draft and didn't, Jackson continues to prove that he's a one-of-kind prospect.

Jackson has all the ability and raw materials one might need when constructing the ideal cornerback. Big, strong, fast and flexible are words that only begin to describe how he plays on the field for the Wolverines. Yet he's back for one more season at Ann Arbor, in part to earn his degree, but also to prove once and for all that he has matured into the best defensive back in college football.

The funny thing is Jackson might have been the best defensive back before the 2003 season, too. But after earning a one-year probation following an assault accusation, missing four games due to various leg injuries, plus an odd switch from corner to safety, Jackson's last hurrah at Michigan was not quite what he had hoped for himself.

Jackson is back home at corner in 2004, and he re-assumes the role of the best cover player in the nation. At corner, he is rarely challenged, and he dupes opposing quarterbacks into throwing his way only to show off his impressive closing speed. Jackson may gamble a bit much for a team like the Texans who like to put their corners on an island in man coverage, but he's already got what it takes to be an immediate starter in 2005.

(From HoustonProFootball.com)

Natston
04-23-2005, 05:57 PM
So how is Marlin Jackson?

Big and Physical, can play both man and zone.

cramerica
04-23-2005, 05:59 PM
Would NE hurry the hell up?

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 06:07 PM
Yeah why the **** didn't we get a LB????? Our CBs are decent if the run is stopped, and that hasn't happened since....hmm....EVER?

cramerica
04-23-2005, 06:10 PM
Now let's all pray that Roth drops to #60.

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 06:11 PM
He wont

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:11 PM
The more I think about it, the more I like. We lacked a number one corner that isn't 5'8 and soft. Dungy like the undersized DTs and DEs and maybe we'll get one he covets later on...

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:12 PM
He wont You never know, Doss fell to us...

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:14 PM
Does this mean Stickland moves to back-up safety?

Or do we put him at FS and admit that Doss has bombed out already?

Haven't a clue. I don't have any confidence in Doss, Jefferson, Sanders or Strickland staying healthy, if that tells you anything.

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 06:23 PM
I DO like Doss and Sanders at safety. Jackson sounds like he is good. Now we just need some LBs and DLs....BADLY

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:30 PM
I DO like Doss and Sanders at safety. Jackson sounds like he is good. Now we just need some LBs and DLs....BADLY

We need them but I don't know if we need them badly. We need a MLB and a DT that can be productive.

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:36 PM
POlian on Jackson:

1st from the list of the eight targeted picks
5 players left from said list

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 06:36 PM
The first five picks of the 2nd round...

1 33 San Francisco Baas, David C 6-4 319 Michigan
2 34 Cleveland Pool, Brodney FS 6-2 208 Oklahoma
3 35 Philadelphia (from Miami) Brown, Reggie WR 6-1 197 Georgia
4 36 Tampa Bay Ruud, Barrett ILB 6-1 242 Nebraska
5 37 Detroit (from Tennessee) Cody, Shaun DT 6-4 292 Southern California

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:39 PM
POlian on Jackson:

1st from the list of the eight targeted picks
5 players left from said list

The fact that he played safety added to his stock. Considered moving back, but decided that the packages weren't good enough to risk missing out on Jackson.

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:42 PM
Where'd you get all that?

Colts.com audio selection, Dungy and Polian yapping on and on...

Natston
04-23-2005, 06:45 PM
Raiders take another fast CB with suspect skills for where he was drafted...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 07:14 PM
Last five..

6 38 Oakland Routt, Stanford CB 6-0 191 Houston
7 39 Chicago Bradley, Mark WR 6-1 201 Oklahoma
8 40 New Orleans (from Washington) Bullocks, Josh FS 6-0 207 Nebraska
9 41 Tennessee (from Detroit) Roos, Michael OT 6-7 320 E. Washington
10 42 Dallas Burnett, Kevin OLB 6-3 237 Tennessee

Natston
04-23-2005, 07:15 PM
Roth still hasn't been picked...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 07:41 PM
Last five...

11 43 N.Y. Giants Webster, Corey CB 6-0 204 Louisiana State
12 44 Arizona Arrington, J.J. RB 5-9 214 California
13 45 Seattle (from Carolina) Tatupu, Lofa ILB 5-11 226 Southern California
14 46 Miami (from Kansas City) Roth, Matt DE 6-3 272 Iowa
15 47 N.Y. Jets (from Houston through Oakland) Nugent, Mike K 5-10 182 Ohio State

...adios Mr. Roth...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 08:09 PM
Last five..

16 48 Cincinnati Thurman, Odell ILB 6-1 237 Georgia
17 49 Minnesota Johnson, Marcus OT 6-6 321 Mississippi
18 50 St. Louis Bartell, Ronald CB 6-1 208 Howard
19 51 Green Bay (from New Orleans) Collins, Nick FS 5-11 206 Bethune-Cookman
20 52 Jacksonville Barnes, Khalif OT 6-6 305 Washington

travmil
04-23-2005, 08:13 PM
Thurman would have been nice to have.

Maybe Blackstock or Crowder will make it down to us.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 08:34 PM
Last five...

21 53 Baltimore Cody, Dan DE 6-4 270 Oklahoma
22 54 Carolina (from Seattle) Shelton, Eric RB 6-1 246 Louisville
23 55 Buffalo Parrish, Roscoe WR 5-10 168 Miami (Fla.)
24 56 Denver Williams, Darrent CB 5-8 188 Oklahoma State
25 57 N.Y. Jets Miller, Justin CB 5-10 202 Clemson

...the Colts are coming up...

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 08:50 PM
ANOTHER CORNERBACK!?

I just love your master plan here Bill.

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 08:51 PM
wtf....

Natston
04-23-2005, 08:54 PM
???

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 08:54 PM
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/432986

Kelvin Hayden
Height: 6-0
Weight: 198
Position: CB
College: Illinois

OVERVIEW

Kelvin Hayden is a rising star who made the switch to cornerback after originally joining the Illini as a wide receiver. Called by the coaching staff the "team's best athlete," Hayden provided the team with steady play and big plays at whatever position the staff asked him to play.

Hayden was a phenomenal all-around athlete who originally signed with Illinois out of Hubbard (Chicago) High. He was a four-year starter on the football team, earning All-State and first-team All-PowerBar team honors as a senior. On defense, he led the team and finished second in the state with 10 interceptions as a freshman. Hayden played quarterback as a sophomore, throwing 21 touchdown passes while rushing for seven more scores. He amassed 2,315 rushing yards and 33 scores as a junior and added 792 yards on the ground as a senior, despite missing seven games with an injury. Hayden was a four-time All-Conference pick and three-time All-Area selection in track. He was a two-time Chicago City League Track Champion in the 55 and 200-meter dashes indoors and the 100 and 200-meter dashes outdoors.

He attended Joliet (Ill.) Junior College for two seasons (2001-02), where Hayden became the first wide receiver to ever earn NJCAA National Offensive Player of the Year honor. He gained 1,297 yards and scored 13 times on 72 catches (18.1 avg) as a sophomore and caught 114 passes for 1,839 yards (16.2 avg) and 17 scores during his career. The team compiled a 21-1 record during his two seasons at Joliet JC.

Two years after Hayden originally intended on playing for Illinois, he arrived on campus in 2003 and quickly established himself as a big-play receiver. In 10 games, he started eight times at flanker leading the team with 52 receptions for 592 yards (11.4 avg) and three touchdowns. Hayden switched to cornerback in 2004, recording 71 tackles (41 solo) with six pass breakups and tied for the Big Ten Conference lead with four interceptions.

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a well-built physique with good upper body muscle definition. Split high with fairly long legs. Solid contributor and team player who can also play on special teams. Not really vocal, but well liked by teammates and staff. Sees the play develop and reacts quickly, showing good short area speed and quickness to get to the edge and string plays out in run force. Has adequate speed, but keeps a tight mirror on the receivers through their routes, easily adjusting to the ball in flight and will not hesitate to get vertical in order to get to the pigskin. Plays his responsibilities first and then flies to the ball in zone coverage. Does a good job with his hands to execute the press. Tracks the ball well and has the range and catch-up acceleration to make plays in front of him. Has the body control needed to get to the right spot and time his leaps to get to the ball at its high point. Has soft, natural hands, because of his experience as a receiver, he's not often fooled by fakes or double moves. Uses his hands effectively to keep blockers off his body in the open field. Very physical tackler who breaks down and explodes into the receiver when making the hit.

Negatives: More quick than fast and might be better suited for safety, where his speed limitations vs. the blazing receivers will not come into play. Needs backpedal technique improvement, as he shuffles his feet and needs to open his hips better in transition. Lacks experience and played on his natural ability last year, but shows great upside and could be a nice developmental project who will give instant value on special teams while he learns the nuances of playing defense. Does not show a quick second gear needed to recover when beaten. Struggles to disengage when double teamed and needs to develop more strength in order to play in run support.

INJURY REPORT

No injuries reported.

JUNIOR COLLEGE

Attended Joliet (Ill.) Junior College (2001-02). Was the first wide receiver to ever earn NJCAA National Offensive Player of the Year honors. . ..Racked up 1,297 yards and 13 touchdowns on 72 catches (18.1 avg) as a sophomore. Caught 114 passes for 1,839 yards and 17 scores, an average of 16.2 yards, during his junior college career. Earned first-team All-American accolades in his second season. Two-time All-Conference and All-Region pick. Named conference Player of the Year and MVP of the 2002 Junior College national championship game. After losing his first junior college game, he led Joliet Junior College to 21 consecutive victories and the 2002 NJCAA national championship.

AGILITY

N/A.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Hubbard (Chicago) High. Was a four-year starter on the football team. All-State selection as a wide receiver as a senior. . ..Named to the first-team All-PowerBar team, as he led the team and finished second in the state with 10 interceptions as a freshman cornerback. Threw 21 touchdown passes, while rushing for seven more scores as a sophomore quarterback. Racked up 2,315 rushing yards and 33 scores as a junior tailback. Totaled 792 yards despite missing seven games as a senior. Four-time All-Conference pick and three-time All-Area selection. Two-time City League Track Champion in the 55 and 200-meter dashes indoors and the 100 and 200-meter dashes outdoors.

PERSONAL

Speech Communications major Son of Lynette and Hayden Hayden Born Hayden Darnell Hayden Jr., on 7/23/83 Resides in Chicago, Illinois.

Natston
04-23-2005, 09:03 PM
I guess we're dumping Jefferson and moving Strickland and/or Hutchins to safety... :unimpress

Natston
04-23-2005, 09:06 PM
I'm glad that we're retooling the CBs , don't get me wrong. However I wanted more than just that for the entire offseason... :unimpress

Natston
04-23-2005, 09:12 PM
WE STILL DON'T HAVE A MLB ON THE ROSTER.
They'll convert Doss to MLB so they can hold onto him and his contract...

travmil
04-23-2005, 09:24 PM
I don't think there will be anyone available at 92 that can help stop the run....weird draft....

travmil
04-23-2005, 09:49 PM
I'm telling ya, if Blackstock is still available at 92, and the Colts don't take him....

This will be me chasing Polian....

:maniac:

birdman
04-23-2005, 09:50 PM
Hey, Courtney Roby (IU WR) goes to Titans in 3rd round:dance:.

SoupIsGood
04-23-2005, 10:18 PM
So who all have we taken, and what do you guys think of the picks? I'm kind of out of the loop here.

travmil
04-23-2005, 10:25 PM
We took 2 cornerbacks. And better CB's were available when both were taken. A curious choice when you consider that we only got beaten by the pass one time last season (Kansas City).

travmil
04-23-2005, 10:29 PM
Ponies on the clock in Round 3, with the 92nd overall pick.

And Blackstock is still available, an absolute steal with this pick. Let's see what they do. Who's the best tight end left?

obnoxiousmodesty
04-23-2005, 10:34 PM
Vincent Burns, DE Kentucky

Well, he's a DE, so that's a positive. In fact, it may be the best sports news I've heard all damned day.

Wheeeeeeeeeee!

travmil
04-23-2005, 10:39 PM
Blackstock isn't very good, I still don't get your affection for him.

Our D-lineman is of course TINY.

Blackstock is the best player left in this draft. There's nobody else even close.

SoupIsGood
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
2 CB's with the first two picks? :unimpress

What was this about Doss being a bad idea? Are one of our corners moving to safety? Is Doss a LB now?

travmil
04-23-2005, 10:43 PM
Well I suppose time will tell....

Suaveness
04-23-2005, 10:54 PM
Is Doss that bad? I thought he was decent

travmil
04-23-2005, 11:17 PM
LOL! Shanahan must have been scared to death of all the teams dying to get into the early 4th round to pick up Clarrett.

cramerica
04-24-2005, 10:18 AM
I'm content with our draft so far. I'm tired of watching Jason David and Nick Harper getting burned. We got better there. Now this Sweet Pea guy....has me scratching my head, but I'm not a scout and for some reason I trust BP and TD.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 10:57 AM
It's almost time for the 4th round to begin. The Colts have these remaining picks:

4 129
4 135
5 165
5 173
6 202
7 243

cramerica
04-24-2005, 11:30 AM
Orton just went to the Bears.

travmil
04-24-2005, 11:46 AM
Good lord how much time do they get today? I thought these rounds wee supposed to go faster?

cramerica
04-24-2005, 11:51 AM
5 minute picks

travmil
04-24-2005, 12:06 PM
There are still a few good defensive players that could make it to our picks in this round. I can't believe that Antaaj Hawthorne is still available. Doubt if the Colts take him thgough even if he's there.

cramerica
04-24-2005, 12:06 PM
hopefully they will. He'll help

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 12:35 PM
The Colts are up and what does ESPN do? That's right...GO STRAIGHT TO COMMERCIAL!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 12:39 PM
http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/411087

Dylan Gandy
Height: 6-3
Weight: 294
Position: G
College: Texas Tech

OVERVIEW

A nomad on the offensive line, Gandy has played at the guard position as well as center. He spent most of first three seasons in three-man rotation at left and right guard.

An All-District offensive tackle at Pflugerville (Tex.) High School, Gandy also played on the defensive line and handled deep snapping duties during his prep days. He redshirted as a freshman at Texas Tech and then became an important cog on the offense, as he played a variety of positions on the offensive line the next two years. With the graduation of Toby Cecil, Gandy moved to center in 2004, where he started every game.

ANALYSIS

Positives: He has an athletic frame with good functional strength. He plays with a flat back and shows above average quickness at the line of scrimmage. On in-line blocks, he uses his hands effectively to fight and finish, generating more than enough power with his legs and behind his hand punch to jolt the defensive tackle. He plays with very active hands, is very accurate with his punch and his hand placement allows him to lock on, steer and ride the defender wide. He keeps his shoulders square on double teams and combo blocks. He displays very good instincts to get the back side of linebacker on blocks. He is also quick to come out and pull, as he does a nice job of staying on his feet with trap blocks. Gandy plays with good toughness and when he rolls his hips on contact and plays with his knees bent, he can easily gain and leverage. He knows how to keep his shoulders square and Gandy gets good depth with his vertical sets in pass protection. He also does a good job of dropping his weight to anchor in pass protection. As for pro potential, look for him to return to guard in the pros, much like Jacksonville's Brad Meester did his first few years before shifting to center (so Gandy can refine his trap blocking techniques), but this is a player that will provide immediate value to a pro team due to his athletic ability and versatility.

Negatives Gandy also has the strength to remove level one defenders, but when he gets up on his toes in his stance, he can be pushed back and clog the rush lanes.

INJURY REPORT

No injuries reported.

AGILITY

COMBINE: 5.12 seconds in 40-yard dash. 29 1/2 vertical jump. 8'4" broad jump. 4.51 shuttle. 7.65 three-cone drill. 28 Wonderlic score.

HIGH SCHOOL

Pflugerville High School in Pflugerville, Texas first-team all-district selection as a tackle first-team All-CenTex two-way player at PHS also served as deep snapper also participated in track and field at PHS High School Coach: George Herrmann.

PERSONAL

Dylan Gandy son of Cindy Mock and Phil Gandy born March 8, 1982, in Harlingen, Texas majoring in history enjoys camping, riding horses, hiking, hunting, fishing and going to the lake.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 12:52 PM
With #135, Indy selects...

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/411389

Matt Giordano
Height: 6-0
Weight: 190
Position: FS
College: California

OVERVIEW

Known for his bone-crunching tackles, Giordano is not the only hard hitter in his family. His great grandfather, Ralph, was a world welterweight boxing champion in 1933. A heady player who added speed and strength to the Cal secondary, as well as quality depth, Giordano enrolled at California in the spring of 2003 and had the benefit of working out with the Bears during spring practice.

Giordano played a key role as team co-captain in Buchanan High School's first ever Valley championship in 2000. As a senior, he posted five interceptions and 64 tackles while causing three fumbles, and averaged nine yards per carry and 12.6 yards per reception on offense. He broke Buchanan records for longest punt return for a touchdown, most blocked kicks and most interceptions in a game. The two-time All-Conference first-team choice was also named the Defensive Player of the Year by the Clovis Exchange Club and Buchanan High's Most Outstanding Player in both football and track in 2001. He was crowned individual league champion in the 400 meters in 1999.

Before enrolling at California, Giordano was a two-time All-Conference selection at Fresno City College and was voted the Defensive MVP in the Northern California championship game. As a freshman at FCC, he earned All-State honors at strong safety, recording 62 tackles (26 solos), four fumble recoveries and one interception.

Giordano started the first four games of the 2003 season for California when regular safety Ryan Gutierrez was sidelined with a knee injury, and made an instant impression on Cal's young defense. He played off the bench the remainder of the season, but his 50 total tackles (32 solos) ranked fourth on the team. He also registered 2.5 stops behind the line of scrimmage, recovered a fumble and returned an interception 15 yards.

Giordano earned All-American honorable mention and All-Pac 10 Conference first-team honors as a senior. He ranked third on the team with 61 tackles (41 solos), including a 2-yard sack and 1.5 stops for losses. He caused two fumbles, deflected six passes and intercepted another, despite playing the second half of the season with a cast on his hand to protect a broken finger. In two seasons with the Bears, Giordano registered 111 tackles (73 solos) with a sack, four stops for losses of 13 yards, two interceptions for 15 yards in returns and six pass deflections. He also caused two fumbles and recovered another.

ANALYSIS

Positives Has good muscle development with thickness in his chest and arms, good bubble with adequate calves. Possesses good linear speed and excellent read-and-diagnose ability, doing a very good job of locating the ball on the move. Has quick feet, sharply turning out of his backpedal, displaying flexibility in his hips and smooth feet. Has the speed to run with backs and slot receivers, showing good foot quickness out of his backpedal and the catch-up ability to get back into the play. Hard worker who is not afraid to compete for the ball in traffic. Plays at a low pad level, extending his arms properly to wrap and secure the ball carrier. Sure tackler who wraps up and really puts full force behind his hits. Has above average closing ability, planting and driving to the ball with fluid ease-of-movement motions. Uses his quickness to stay with the receivers deep and is effective at handling the switch-off. Has that extra gear to easily recover when playing deep in the zone. Has a good feel for his assignment in the zone, doing a fine job of anticipating and reading the quarterback to get a jump on the ball. Shows proper rhythm jumping for the ball and the eye coordination to keep track of the ball in flight. Understands his position well, showing no hesitation when called upon in run support. Fills the holes with authority.

Negatives Exposes himself at times as his leads tend to be a little long. While he has good leaping ability, he needs to do a better job of timing his leaps, as he fails to get to the ball at its high point, resulting in several deflections that could have been interceptions. Sometimes gets up on his heels before closing on his assignment in man coverage. Has the athletic ability to run laterally, clear trash and make tackles, but needs to develop better plant-and-turn action, as his momentum sometimes causes him to over-pursue the play. Can fill the rush lanes and work through the pile, but struggles some to locate the quarterback or ballcarrier in backside pursuit.

INJURY REPORT

2004: Played the second half of the season wearing a cast on his hand to protect a finger fracture. Left the Southern Mississippi game after he caught a cleat to his head in a pile-up, resulting in a -inch gash from his lip halfway down his chin and also caused him to lose a tooth.

AGILITY

CAMPUS: 4.54 in the 40-yard dash. 345-pound bench press. 33.5-inch vertical jump. 4.02 20-yard shuttle. 21/30 Wonderlic score. PRO DAY: Ran between 4.52 and 4.58 in the 40 33" vertical 10'0" broad jump.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Buchanan (Fresno, Cal.) High School. Played key role as team co-captain in Buchanan's first ever Valley championship in 2000. As a senior, he had five interceptions and 64 tackles while causing three fumbles, and averaged nine yards per carry and 12.6 yards per reception on offense. Broke Buchanan records for longest punt return for a touchdown, most blocked kicks and most interceptions in a game. Two-time All-Conference first-team choice and was also named the Defensive Player of the Year by the Clovis Exchange Club and Buchanan High's Most Outstanding Player in both football and track in 2001. Crowned individual league champion in the 400 meters in 1999.

PERSONAL

American Studies major. Great grandfather, Ralph Giordano, was a world welterweight boxing champion in 1933. Son of Victor and Janet Giordano. Born 10/16/82 in Fresno, California.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 12:56 PM
With all the DBs the Colts are going to have on the roster, someone's going to be moved to linebacker, riding the bench, or off the team altogether.

Suaveness
04-24-2005, 12:58 PM
Why did we pick a S??

travmil
04-24-2005, 01:26 PM
Why did we pick a S??

Don't know, but every other defensive player worth having will be gonr by the time the Colts are up again.... :scream:

cramerica
04-24-2005, 01:26 PM
you can never have enough secondary guys.

travmil
04-24-2005, 01:30 PM
Wow, a pick that makes sense.....how did that happen?

Natston
04-24-2005, 01:31 PM
We just traded up/ for #148 to take a DE.

Natston
04-24-2005, 01:31 PM
We just traded up/ for #148 to take a DE.

Jonathan Welsh

Natston
04-24-2005, 01:34 PM
OVERVIEW

Jonathan Welsh is a smart, instinctive edge rusher with excellent quickness off the snap. His lack of size will probably see him shift to outside linebacker at the pro level, but he has the speed and agility to make the possible switch. The two-year starter was part of one of the top defensive lines in college football that also featured Anttaj Hawthorne and Jason Jefferson.

Welsh was an all-state and two-time all-district choice as a linebacker at Booker T. Washington (Houston, Texas) High. He only played football in his last two years, but still recorded 88 tackles with 21 sacks. He also lettered in basketball and ran cross country for the track team.

Welsh sat out the 2000 season at Wisconsin, but played in nine games, starting twice, as a defensive end in 2001. He posted 21 tackles (11 solo) with a pair of sacks and three stops for losses.

In 2002, he appeared in every game as a reserve at right end, registering 32 tackles (18 solo) with a 9-yard sack, three stops behind the line of scrimmage and a forced fumble. Welsh garnered Academic All-Big Ten honors in 2003, his first year as the starting right end. He recorded 50 tackles (19 solo), eight sacks, 11 stops for losses, five pressures, two forced fumbles and a fumble recovery, despite playing since late September with a partially torn meniscus in his right knee vs. Illinois.

In 2004, his production dropped off considerably. The coaches said it was because of an ankle sprain suffered in the seventh game vs. Purdue, but his game totals were dismal vs. Central Florida (one solo tackle), Nevada-Las Vegas (two assists), Penn State (two tackles), Illinois (three hits) and Ohio State (one solo stop) before then. He finished the season with 31 tackles (18 solo), two sacks and 5 stops behind the line of scrimmage. In 48 games, he totaled 134 tackles (66 solo), 13 sacks for minus-101 yards, 23 stops for losses of 117 yards, six pressures, a fumble recovery, three forced fumbles and three pass deflections.

ANALYSIS

Welsh is a two-year starter who is an undersized defensive end and may be better suited to play outside linebacker at the pro level. As a 230-pound defensive end, he lacked not only bulk, but also the strength needed to face up to the offensive linemen. He has adequate strength in the weight room, but because of poor hand placement and size issues, he was constantly getting washed out of the play at the line of scrimmage. Welsh knows that even if he moves to linebacker in the NFL, he is going to have to increase his bulk and strength.

Welsh is an instinctive edge rusher who can flush the quarterback out of the pocket when he takes a clear lane to the passer. He is a quick athlete, who has good balance, flexibility, agility along with good quickness, change-of-direction agility and playing speed. He is a solid competitor who plays with good pursuit effort despite his lack of size and play strength. He plays with above-average instincts, awareness and recognition.

Welsh has good closing speed and lateral agility to make plays in space. When lined up vs. the slower offensive tackles, he does a nice job of dipping his shoulder and slipping past the block. His problems occur when he has to step up and take on the lead block, as he will get stonewalled and rocked back on his heels.

Against the run, he lacks the bulk and strength to hold the point of attack and is just adequate defending his edge. He is an upfield, one-gap style of bull rusher who has to be unblocked to be productive, but shows good effort. He is easily overmatched when put on an offensive tackle, but has some backside production with good lateral movement, if given a free lane. Welsh is usually stymied in any attempts to defend vs. the inside run, as he fails to provide any type of anchor and is easily turned.

Welsh gets run over quite a bit taking on a pulling offensive guard on the edge. He appears conscious of his lack of playing strength, as he will usually try to step around the block. Against the pass, he has decent initial quickness and will flash good suddenness, but lacks the size to be an edge rusher. He is more of a finesse guy who uses his athletic ability and quickness to play off and around blocks. He has long arms and uses them to keep his distance and work to redirect off blocks.

He is not used much in pass coverage, but shows the lateral agility and burst out of his backpedal to stay on the hip of a receiver through the routes. He handles the switch-off effortlessly and has the vision to see plays developing in front of him. Welsh flashes ability to drop and has the agility to play in space.

For a player with 48 games under his belt, you would hope for better production than 134 tackles. Welsh is simply not big enough or strong enough to play on the defensive line. Unless he is moved to linebacker, he will soon find that only the Arena League or Canadian Football League will have a home for a 230-pound down lineman. He lacks a great first step to be a top-end pass rusher but is a good finesse style of player who may improve.

INJURY REPORT

2003: Suffered a partially torn meniscus in his right knee vs. Illinois (9/27). He continued to play, but finally had to sit out the Minnesota contest (11/8) to let the injury heal.

2004: Suffered a severe ankle sprain after he had his leg bent backwards while making a sack on Kyle Orton in the second quarter vs. Purdue (10/16). He played, but saw limited action the next two weeks vs. Northwestern and Minnesota, but the injury would hamper him the rest of the season.

AGILITY

4.66 in the 40-yard dash 360-pound bench press 515-pound squat 315-pound power clean 39-inch vertical jump 33 3/8-inch arm length 10 1/8-inch hands Ambidextrous.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Booket T. Washington (Houston, Texas) High, playing football in his last two years for coach Joel North Chosen to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram Top-100 All-State squad and was a two-time, first-team all-district pick Captain of the football team, making a career-high 88 tackles as a senior Had 21 career sacks Lettered in football, basketball and cross country Listed in the Who's Who Among American High School Students Ranked in the top 10 percent of his class academically.

PERSONAL

Business major Son of Elizabeth Welsh Born June 9, 1982 Resides in Houston, Texas.

Natston
04-24-2005, 01:40 PM
Here's the trade:

Colts-Eagles
Colts get: Philadelphia's fifth-round pick (No. 149) and selected DE Jonathan Welsh.
Eagles get: Indianapolis' fourth-round pick in 2006.

A move that looks exactly like the trade that we picked up Robert Mathis with, to get a player in the Robert Mathis mold...

travmil
04-24-2005, 02:00 PM
Most of the best players still on teh board are defensive. Bout time to take a WR I suppose...

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:11 PM
Most of the best players still on teh board are defensive. Bout time to take a WR I suppose...

I'm still looking for a RB and LB... :(

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:13 PM
We're up again...

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:16 PM
Another OL, C Hunt. So much for I said in the thread... http://www.pacersdigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10716

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:19 PM
OVERVIEW
Hunt is a fun-loving and outgoing personality who holds a very special place in the hearts of the North Dakota State coaching staff. He came to the program as a defensive lineman, but not only made a successful switch to center in 2001, he thrived at his new position. He worked hard and long to master his craft and the results have been numerous postseason honors. He started 42 consecutive games for the Bison and did not allow a quarterback sack in his last two seasons, a remarkable feat considering that he played with a cast on his snapping hand for most of the 2003 campaign.

Hunt sat out the 2000 season at North Dakota State to adjust to playing center. He started every game the rest of his career. Hunt helped the Herd average 335 yards per game as a redshirt freshman. The offense improved slightly, averaging 338 yards during his sophomore year in 2002.

Despite playing with a cast on his snapping hand in 2003, he allowed no quarterback sacks and only one pressure while grading 93.5 percent for blocking consistency while making 32 knockdown blocks. He earned All-American, All-Great West Conference and Great West Offensive Lineman of the Year honors in 2004. In his final season, he again graded 93.5 percent for blocking consistency, but without the cast on his hand, he developed into a dominant drive blocker. He increased his knockdown block total to 72 and once again did not allow a sack or pressure for the entire campaign.

ANALYSIS

Positives: Has a solid overall muscular frame with room for additional growth Has a very strong lower body, with excellent leg drive Avid worker in the weight room, boasting some of the top lifting figures on the team Shows a competitive and aggressive streak on the field and is the type who battles until the whistle His dedication is unsurpassed. After suffering a thumb injury last year, the right-handed snapper taught himself to snap with his left hand and did not miss a beat Can pull, run and seal off on the second level Has good field vision and is alert to stunts and blitzes Makes all the line calls and gets good explosion coming off the snap Works well in combination with his guards on traps Has a quick first step that allows him to gain advantage Creates movement based on technique than sheer power, but strikes with good hand placement. In 2004, showed better ability to follow through behind his punch Moves his feet and swings his hips to position and has the agility to move laterally Fires to the second level and fits up quickly, moving his feet constantly in attempts to cut Can wheel and change direction working in the second level and has enough speed to not only search out linebackers, but also seek out the safeties While he might not always deliver power behind his punch, he shows good hand placement to control Can slide his feet effortlessly to defeat counter moves in pass protection.

Negatives: Lacks natural knee bend and his stiffness causes him to get too high in his stance When this happens, he loses his anchor and will get rocked back or thrown some Can screen off, but is more of a push-shove type of drive blocker; he fails to sink his hips and drive the defender off the play Will lose leverage and get pushed around by the bigger nose guards Uses his hands more to control than punch, but needs to find a way to allow his weight-room strength to translate to the football field.

INJURY REPORT
2003: Played the entire year with a cast on his right hand to protect a badly sprained thumb injury.

AGILITY

Campus: 4.88 in the 40-yard dash 410-pound bench press 550-pound squat 365-pound power clean 29-inch vertical jump Right-handed.
Combine: 4.96 in the 40-yard dash 2.87 20-yard dash 1.78 10-yard dash 4.48 20-yard shuttle 7.53 three-cone drill 34-inch vertical jump 9-foot broad jump Bench pressed 225 pounds 31 times 32 1/8-inch arm length 10-inch hands.

HIGH SCHOOL
Attended Cavalier (N.D.) Public High School, playing football for coach Rod Oksendhal Two-time all-conference, all-region and all-state selection Also competed in wrestling, where he was a three-time state qualifier and two-time state place-winner Was North Dakota's prep runner-up as a senior and twice the team's Most Valuable Wrestler.

PERSONAL
Corporate/Community Health and Fitness major One of five children of Tim Hunt and the late Deb Hunt Born March 3, 1981 Resides in Cavalier, N.D.

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 02:20 PM
Why did we just take a freakin' center? Ugh.

We'll be up to pick again soon. Then I can shake my head again.

I think we should hire the red-haired girl from the ESPN Radio commercial as the Colts new GM. She seems to have a better understanding of sports than anyone else I can think of right now.

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:27 PM
Why did we just take a freakin' center? Ugh.

We'll be up to pick again soon. Then I can shake my head again.

I think we should hire the red-haired girl from the ESPN Radio commercial as the Colts new GM. She seems to have a better understanding of sports than anyone else I can think of right now.

Actually I think Hunt sounds interesting. Saturday did miss two games last year and we had no backup there.

Suaveness
04-24-2005, 02:37 PM
Please take a LB....

Suaveness
04-24-2005, 02:38 PM
LB!!!!!!!!

travmil
04-24-2005, 02:39 PM
There's your LB, and a really good pick for that spot to boot.

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:39 PM
OVERVIEW

A three-year starter at strong-side outside linebacker, Hagler is an aggressive, explosive performer who is extremely quick and athletic. He is the strongest (445 bench) and fastest (4.47 40-yard dash) of the linebackers and thrives on contact.

Hagler was a first-team all-state honoree as a senior at Bishop McNamara High School. He helped the team to a 13-1 record and a second-place finish in the state playoffs, as he made 61 tackles and three sacks as a senior while rushing for over 1,400 yards with 25 touchdowns.

A torn anterior cruciate ligament in his left knee would limit Hagler to three games of action at Cincinnati in 2001. He took over strong-side linebacker chores the following season, recording 79 tackles (45 solos) with three sacks, 19 stops for loss, two forced fumbles, three pass deflections and an interception. Hagler would finish third on the team with 84 tackles (46 solos), including three sacks, 8 stops behind the line of scrimmage and a forced fumble as a junior in 2003.

Hagler would then lead the squad with 82 tackles (49 solos) in his final season. He had eight stops for loss, six quarterback pressures, a forced fumble and two pass breakups in 2004

In 41 games for the Bearcats, he started 36 times. Hagler totaled 246 tackles (141 solos) with seven sacks for minus-55 yards, 35 stops for losses of 128 yards, three fumble recoveries, four forced fumbles, an interception and seven pass deflections in his four seasons at Cincinnati.

ANALYSIS

Positives Has a well-built and defined upper body with a thick chest, muscular arms, tight waist and thick thighs Has the speed and range to flash explosion and burst in pursuit Shows good hip flexibility and quick feet A little slow to recognize the play, but once he does, he generates a burst and acceleration to get to the ball Shows good pass-coverage skills, getting depth in his drops and displays good hip snap to come out of his backpedal with no false steps His lack of ideal linebacker size and his above average foot speed might be better suited for strong safety at the pro level Does a good job of sitting deep in the zone to make plays in front of him When given a free lane, he can generate enough speed and explosion to make plays coming off the edge Team leader with a solid work ethic, especially in the weight room.

Negatives Lacks ideal size to face up consistently at linebacker Has questionable instincts and takes too long to read and diagnose the plays Lacks the bulk and strength to stack up vs. the inside run game Does not use his hands effectively to rip and swim when working around the pile Lacks the hand shiver needed to attack and re-route tight ends in the short area Does not face up much when taking on the lead blocker in the hole and needs to be more aggressive in his play Does not have the natural hands needed to make the interception, doing a lot of double catching.

INJURY REPORT

2001 -- Missed the final nine games after suffering a left knee torn anterior cruciate ligament vs. Miami of Ohio (Sept. 22).

AGILITY

Campus: 4.47 in the 40-yard dash 445-pound bench press 485-pound squat 30-inch vertical jump 9-foot-9 broad jump Right-handed. Combine: 4.61 in the 40-yard dash 2.68 20-yard dash 1.58 10-yard dash 4.07 20-yard shuttle 11.58 60-yard shuttle 7.21 three-cone drill Bench pressed 225 pounds 35 times 35-inch vertical jump 10-foot-4 broad jump 31-inch arm length 9-inch hands.

HIGH SCHOOL

Attended Bishop McNamara (Kankakee, Ill.) High School, playing football for coach Rich Zinanni First-team all-state honoree as a senior, helping the team to a 13-1 record and a second-place finish in the state playoffs Recorded 61 tackles and three sacks as a senior while rushing for over 1,400 yards with 25 touchdowns.

PERSONAL

Criminal justice major Son of Wayne Hagler and Cynthia Willis Born Dec. 3, 1981, in Kankakee, Ill.

Natston
04-24-2005, 02:39 PM
He is the strongest (445 bench) and fastest (4.47 40-yard dash) of the linebackers :o

obnoxiousmodesty
04-24-2005, 02:40 PM
From what I've read, all of the players the Colts have picked sound like very good players. I become more agitated when I see the Colts fail to fulfill direct needs when the opportunity arises.

With #173, Indy picks...

http://www.cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/players/draft/411966

Tyjaun Hagler
Height: 6-2
Weight: 222
Position: OLB
College: Cincinnati

A LINEBACKER! This looks like a great pick.