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rabid
04-15-2005, 10:44 PM
He didn't take a swing but he DID push the ref out of the way pretty emphatically and became very aggressive right before he was thrown out...

What's the rule here?

Stryder
04-15-2005, 10:49 PM
Yes, he should be suspended.

He made contact with a referee, which is a big no-no.

Jermaniac
04-15-2005, 10:56 PM
So by Jay's rules this means we should trade Dale next year cause he shows emotion. Okay so far that means Dale,Jack,Ron,JO and Tins are traded by Jay. Dang there goes the projected starting line up.

FiestyFosterFanatic
04-15-2005, 10:59 PM
If he wouldn't have pushed the ref, he would probably just have gotten a fine. Unfortunatley, he pushed the ref.

rabid
04-15-2005, 11:00 PM
So, what... one game?

Ragnar
04-15-2005, 11:02 PM
No more than a game. But I think it will just be a fine.


Of course he is a Pacer so he could be out for the season and they might even add a year to Artest's suspension for this.

Jaydawg2270
04-15-2005, 11:05 PM
one game against the heat, we need him for that game

Anthem
04-15-2005, 11:16 PM
So by Jay's rules this means we should trade Dale next year cause he shows emotion. Okay so far that means Dale,Jack,Ron,JO and Tins are traded by Jay. Dang there goes the projected starting line up.

Well, this gets at the root of the problem that is Dale Davis. He's a great frontcourt player, no doubt, but he's always been a bit of a hothead. And while Dale's physical prowess is occasionally useful on the court, it also quite obviously causes problems in situations like this. Because there's nothing that stops him physically, he doesn't see limitations the way we do. He's been in way more on-court violent incidents than Artest has, even in comparable points in their careers. Most disturbingly, he doesn't seem to be "growing out of it." The man's 36 years old. If he hasn't gotten it by now, he's not going to.

Quite frankly, I worry about having him on the same team as Artest. Ron needs role models that can show him how to channel his anger, not loose cannons like Dale. It's a good thing, really, that Dale wasn't with us in November. He probably would have dragged Artest into the stands to go after the thrower (after breaking Ben in half, of course). Dale's a great guy, but not exactly a peacemaker.

:devil:

indytoad
04-15-2005, 11:18 PM
Yeah, as if we weren't completely doomed going into the Heat game before, now there's no way we'll win. Oh well, at least we're in the playoffs I guess.

IndyToad
Eating groundhogs

Anthem
04-15-2005, 11:21 PM
Yeah, as if we weren't completely doomed going into the Heat game before, now there's no way we'll win. Oh well, at least we're in the playoffs I guess.

Without Pollard, that's quite possible.

Where is Pollard? He played on Wednesday... was he hurt?

Dr Huxtable
04-15-2005, 11:23 PM
Yeah, as if we weren't completely doomed going into the Heat game before, now there's no way we'll win. Oh well, at least we're in the playoffs I guess.

IndyToad
Eating groundhogs

Yet another amazingly positive post by indytoad.

I don't think the ref shoving was intentional, but it would probably warrant a supsension.

Did anyone else see the guy that had Jack in a headlock? :laugh:

Unclebuck
04-15-2005, 11:27 PM
Pacers will lose at Miami anyway

brichard
04-15-2005, 11:40 PM
Anthem,

I hear what you are saying, but as the "Enforcer" of the team I think you have to get ejected from time to time. As odd as it may sound, I'm glad that Dale used some muscle. Many teams may get the feeling they can now push us around as we may be afraid to retaliate. Dale wasn't here for the brawl, so he has no problem locking horns with somebody.

And I think for his career Dale certainly hasn't engaged in the degree of silliness that Ron has. Dale will mix it up with guys, but he isn't a camera smashin' sort of fellow. I'm just not sure you can be an NBA tough guy and not occassionally walk across that line between rough play and "Happy Trails."

Anthem
04-15-2005, 11:43 PM
I hear what you are saying, but as the "Enforcer" of the team I think you have to get ejected from time to time. As odd as it may sound, I'm glad that Dale used some muscle. Many teams may get the feeling they can now push us around as we may be afraid to retaliate. Dale wasn't here for the brawl, so he has no problem locking horns with somebody.

And I think for his career Dale certainly hasn't engaged in the degree of silliness that Ron has. Dale will mix it up with guys, but he isn't a camera smashin' sort of fellow. I'm just not sure you can be an NBA tough guy and not occassionally walk across that line between rough play and "Happy Trails."

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't believe a word what I wrote, I'm just trying to tweak the nose our resident pessimists (who all revere Dale and detest Ron).

grace
04-16-2005, 12:21 AM
Pacers will lose at Miami anyway

Because we've beat them 3 times already?:shrug:

PacerMan
04-16-2005, 12:23 AM
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't believe a word what I wrote, I'm just trying to tweak the nose our resident pessimists (who all revere Dale and detest Ron).

Some of us optimists revere Dale and detest Ron too.

Anthem
04-16-2005, 12:26 AM
Some of us optimists revere Dale and detest Ron too.

You're an optimist? :o

Fine. That was for you, too.

SoupIsGood
04-16-2005, 12:32 AM
Dale just blew our chances at homecourt. =/

Kegboy
04-16-2005, 12:33 AM
Dale just blew our chances at homecourt. =/

Okay, good. I'm not the only one who thinks that. :whew:

grace
04-16-2005, 12:42 AM
Dale got himself thrown out of the game because:

a. he remembered he hadn't finished his taxes and the deadline is tonight.

b. he knew we'd lose without him and fall to the 6th seed. He thought we'd have home court, but didn't count on Boston winning and therefore having a better record then us.

c. he doesn't want to play against Shaq; therfore he did just enough to get suspended for Sunday's game.

sweabs
04-16-2005, 12:49 AM
Perhaps this has been explained elsewhere, but could someone fill me in on what happened? All I know is a ref was pushed...but what lead to that? Or, perhaps someone can point me in the right direction.

You know, in terms of talent and playing the game of basketball, it doesn't get much better than Jackson/Artest/Jermaine/Dale. But mentally, they all have to become a lot stronger.

grace
04-16-2005, 01:00 AM
I didn't see what started it. I thought I saw Dale swing at someone, but across the court and 3 stories up I guess my eye sight isn't so good.

All I know is when the rumors started that we were going to sign Dale I knew something like this would happen. Yes Peck, it takes some kind of man to get himself thrown out of a game, cost his team the game, make his team fall down in the standings, cost his team any chance of home court...

I love you Dale, but God damn you're a :censored: jerk.

Jermaniac
04-16-2005, 01:01 AM
You cant be serious? The way we played lost us this game not Dale fighting.

grace
04-16-2005, 01:05 AM
Not having Dale certainly didn't help. Maybe he would have listened when I yelled "Don't pass the ball to Austin!" Of course he didn't listen when I yelled, "Dale stop it!" just before he pushed the ref.

Kegboy
04-16-2005, 01:13 AM
You cant be serious? The way we played lost us this game not Dale fighting.

I'd like to think that Dale might have been in the lane once or twice during the 15 times AI drove to the wide-open hoop during the 4th. But maybe not.

Will Galen
04-16-2005, 01:33 AM
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't believe a word what I wrote, I'm just trying to tweak the nose our resident pessimists (who all revere Dale and detest Ron).

Laughing out loud!

Well, I have to admit I belived every word you wrote. I just didn't agree with the order you wrote them in.

I thought you had went around the bend! (grin)

tora tora
04-16-2005, 01:38 AM
I didn't have the luxury of watching the game tonight but I tivo'd it... at what point in time of what quarter did the altercation occur?

Kstat
04-16-2005, 01:47 AM
Davis "nudged" the ref in the back to get another shot at Dalembert. Not really violent, but shoving a referee is grounds for an automatic 1-gamer regardless.

NorCal_Pacerfan
04-16-2005, 01:52 AM
I reckon he'll get a 1 game suspension. Miami is going to be hard enough...

tora tora, you've always have a hot looking avatar, what's up with that!? :D

Anthem
04-16-2005, 02:26 AM
Well, I have to admit I belived every word you wrote. I just didn't agree with the order you wrote them in.

I thought you had went around the bend! (grin)

I thought that was a pretty good bit, actually.

So far, no response from Jay, bball, or Peck. I should have kept quiet and waited for them to see it. Now the surprise is ruined.

:cry:

SoupIsGood
04-16-2005, 02:30 AM
Well, this gets at the root of the problem that is Dale Davis. He's a great frontcourt player, no doubt, but he's always been a bit of a hothead. And while Dale's physical prowess is occasionally useful on the court, it also quite obviously causes problems in situations like this. Because there's nothing that stops him physically, he doesn't see limitations the way we do. He's been in way more on-court violent incidents than Artest has, even in comparable points in their careers. Most disturbingly, he doesn't seem to be "growing out of it." The man's 36 years old. If he hasn't gotten it by now, he's not going to.

Quite frankly, I worry about having him on the same team as Artest. Ron needs role models that can show him how to channel his anger, not loose cannons like Dale. It's a good thing, really, that Dale wasn't with us in November. He probably would have dragged Artest into the stands to go after the thrower (after breaking Ben in half, of course). Dale's a great guy, but not exactly a peacemaker.

:devil:

Nice.

Mourning
04-16-2005, 07:29 AM
I thought that was a pretty good bit, actually.

So far, no response from Jay, bball, or Peck. I should have kept quiet and waited for them to see it. Now the surprise is ruined.

:cry:

I'm with you on this, seriously. There's some serious hypocrisy in my opinion on this ;).

Btw for the people now taking "shots" at Dale ... this is ONE game, yes, it costs us, BUT had we not gotten him ... would we have this spot, no, let me rephrase that ... would we even BE in the play-offs this year? ;)

And, yes, I just as UB had already counted the Miami game as a loss for several reasons. Atleast now Dale has some rest :laugh: :laugh: ;).

Regards,

Mourning :cool:

indygeezer
04-16-2005, 09:01 AM
If DD gets suspended, is he taking 60% of the starters with him for at least a third of the season? Is it the 2nd time he's destroyed an entire season? Is he once again getting the Pacer's organization critcized by every national media outlet for weeks on end?

That's the difference...therein lies the hypocracy.


Otherwise if was a pretty funny schtick :D

Bat Boy
04-16-2005, 09:11 AM
tora tora, you've always have a hot looking avatar, what's up with that!? :D
And here I was trying to have the prettiest avatar.

Hicks
04-16-2005, 11:11 AM
Okay, good. I'm not the only one who thinks that. :whew:

Sorry to burst your bubble, but he's acting. :( ;)

Pig Nash
04-16-2005, 11:13 AM
coughcoughahemlookoverthere<<<coughcough

Hicks
04-16-2005, 11:18 AM
Since no one seems to have explained what started this yet:

The play was just ending, and they bumped against each other. I'd guess they were going for the rebound, but neither got it, and the others went down court. As they started to do so as well, Dalembert decided for whatever reason to shove Dale again as they began heading up court, and uh... Dale didn't like that. I'm not sure if there was an elbow or not. Ragnar, did you record the game? Could you upload just the clip w/ replay of this?

And since I brought it up, the audio in all of your videos lately has hurt my ears. It sounds like all the noise is too close to a microphone; it's scratchy, and it's like the volume is set too high. Can you do anything for that?

Hicks
04-16-2005, 11:37 AM
I just looked at nba.com's video, and it showed that even after the extra shove or elbow, Dale just gave him this stare as the ref got between them. All of a sudden Dale seems to say "You son of a-- " and goes after him. I suspect Dalembert said something to set him off. Probably just one of the many 'magic words' that can **** off a player or earn a T from a ref.

RWB
04-16-2005, 11:40 AM
THe guy gets attacked by that punk Dale Davis, doesn't throw a punch, backs away and gets ejected? DISGRACE! This is b/c of these punk refs and them being too scared to put blame on the instigator and protect the player attacked. On Sunday, put Matt Barnes in to attack Vince Carter if that's how they're going to ref. If he gets suspended you know the NBA wants NJ in the playoffs b/c it'd be BS!

We have a shortage of big men and lose our C b/c of this BS! F THESE REFS!



Not my opinion just some Philly fan giving his point of view thru his eyes on the Philly board.

FiestyFosterFanatic
04-16-2005, 11:43 AM
Maybe David Stern had the night off again and there won't be anything done.

Harmonica
04-16-2005, 11:55 AM
tora tora, you've always have a hot looking avatar, what's up with that!? :D

It's called internet porn. ;-)

tora tora
04-16-2005, 12:12 PM
It's called internet porn. ;-)


:rolleyes:

RWB
04-16-2005, 12:14 PM
And this gem from those silly wabbits. I thought you don't discuss fight club?


18274.11 in reply to 18274.1

pacers is just a fight club, all guys like to fight rather than playng the basketball.
they need to be disqualified from the playoff and the lottery.

_PD_
04-16-2005, 12:31 PM
I'm not suggesting you guys didn't see what you saw. I didn't see the incident, but apparently neither did the Star since they make no mention of a ref being pushed. Was it fairly incidental? Could have been misinterpreted as a push? Or is this just our paper censoring itself again? WTF?

RWB
04-16-2005, 12:39 PM
And finally, for a Philly fan you have to like this guys honesty.


you call that a fight? if sam ran away any faster, he'd be in haiti. he was not trying to do nothing with dale davis! he was scaird!


That's right my friend Samuel was SCAIRD of DD. :laugh:

Ragnar
04-16-2005, 12:42 PM
Sorry Hicks I already deleted it. If they lose I dont keep it arround very long.

BTW Sassan offered to record the reggiethon on Monday since I cant.

Thanks Sassan.

Skaut_Ech
04-16-2005, 12:49 PM
coughcoughahemlookoverthere<<<coughcough

I'll have you know that I was so taken with your avatar (sexy photo), that I searched to find who it was. I have never seen a single movie she's been in....but I will now! :drool:

and what is up with your avatar, Tora?? Just a randowm cutie or do you have a name for us?

Harmonica
04-16-2005, 01:09 PM
:rolleyes:

I've seen her while making my rounds, so don't roll your eyes at me young man.



And what is up with your avatar, Tora?? Just a randowm cutie or do you have a name for us?

Her name is Tiffany. I believe she has her own website, too. And yes, it's pathetic that I know that.

Skaut_Ech
04-16-2005, 01:16 PM
Her name is Tiffany. I believe she has her own website, too. And yes, it's pathetic that I know that.

:lol2: :console:

PacerMan
04-16-2005, 03:37 PM
I'm not suggesting you guys didn't see what you saw. I didn't see the incident, but apparently neither did the Star since they make no mention of a ref being pushed. Was it fairly incidental? Could have been misinterpreted as a push? Or is this just our paper censoring itself again? WTF?

The ref was trying to seperate them and dale gave him a shove from behind. He didn't look at all (was looking at Dalembert) and may not have even known it was a ref. But he definately pushed him. It was incidental. Not like he knocked him down.

PacerMan
04-16-2005, 03:37 PM
And finally, for a Philly fan you have to like this guys honesty.


you call that a fight? if sam ran away any faster, he'd be in haiti. he was not trying to do nothing with dale davis! he was scaird!


That's right my friend Samuel was SCAIRD of DD. :laugh:

Scared too!

Anthem
04-16-2005, 08:34 PM
If Dale was going to be suspended, wouldn't we have heard by now?

NotLosingButWinning
04-16-2005, 08:58 PM
If Dale was going to be suspended, wouldn't we have heard by now?

i don't know it took them forever to announce that francis suspension.

Ragnar
04-16-2005, 09:35 PM
No if they suspend him we will find out right before game time tomorrow.

Lord Helmet
04-16-2005, 09:36 PM
Stern will probably wait until about an hour before tip-off to announce that Dale is suspended for 1-2 games. I think this because, I remember it happening with Ron a lot during last season.

Eindar
04-17-2005, 05:39 AM
I have no idea why they wait till around an hour before tipoff to anounce suspensions. It's not like they didn't have all day to think about it.

Hicks
04-17-2005, 01:12 PM
They're sure taking their sweet time. I won't be surprised either way (if he's suspended or isn't), but if he is, it looks like they aren't going to tell anyone until 1 or 1:30 our time (when it isn't announced by now, it usually seems to be announce just an hour before gametime)

Stryder
04-17-2005, 02:07 PM
Well, it is 1:00 pm Indiana time.

I haven't heard anything yet.

Lord Helmet
04-17-2005, 02:31 PM
Oh, I suspect it will be announced right before tip-off. About 30 minutes prior, probably.

Hicks
04-17-2005, 03:50 PM
Yay for us. No suspension.

Anthem
04-17-2005, 04:57 PM
Yay for us. No suspension.

That's a first.

ChicagoJ
04-18-2005, 11:34 AM
Well, this gets at the root of the problem that is Dale Davis. He's a great frontcourt player, no doubt, but he's always been a bit of a hothead. And while Dale's physical prowess is occasionally useful on the court, it also quite obviously causes problems in situations like this. Because there's nothing that stops him physically, he doesn't see limitations the way we do. He's been in way more on-court violent incidents than Artest has, even in comparable points in their careers. Most disturbingly, he doesn't seem to be "growing out of it." The man's 36 years old. If he hasn't gotten it by now, he's not going to.

Quite frankly, I worry about having him on the same team as Artest. Ron needs role models that can show him how to channel his anger, not loose cannons like Dale. It's a good thing, really, that Dale wasn't with us in November. He probably would have dragged Artest into the stands to go after the thrower (after breaking Ben in half, of course). Dale's a great guy, but not exactly a peacemaker.

:devil:


This is what I get for spending all day Saturday in the E.R.?

I don't even know how to respond. :shrug: And frankly, if I've mis-read anyone's humor or sarcasm, then I'll wait until I'm a little better rested and with better reading/ comprehension before I respond again.

I thought Dale would get suspended for a game, for shoving the ref. Clearly, no punches were thrown.

I've never, ever said the team shouldn't have an enforcer. Don't go putting words in my mouth.

Dale tends to "stand his ground" and protect his turf. There *is* a difference between an enforcer and an instigator. You could read his lips on the replay, he was asking Dalembert if he really wanted to start something.

I'm not opposed to all 'displays of emotion' or when any player 'stands thier ground' when confronted. I know where the line is to be drawn in the sand, some of you need to put your thinking cap on when you read. I'm not asking for a team full of pushovers, but I'm not generally enjoying this team full of hot-heads.

Although I've appreciated the presence DD brought back to this team, I've never been one of his biggest fans. But I don't think I've ever accused him of being a hot head. If anything, Dale seems to be 'slow-to-anger' for an enforcer.

I also didn't really have a problem with AJ's elbow that he threw at Zo yesterday. Zo gave him a cheap shot, but AJ gets the benefit of the doubt in retaliating because he's generally very good at keeping his composure. And when JO and Haslem got tangled up, it was clear that those guys just got all twisted up in a box-out situation (something JO, frankly, should take some notes on how-to-do), but they weren't involved in any heated confrontation.

Anthem
04-18-2005, 11:54 AM
I don't even know how to respond. :shrug: And frankly, if I've mis-read anyone's humor or sarcasm, then I'll wait until I'm a little better rested and with better reading/ comprehension before I respond again.

I attempted to mimic one of your posts exactly. I wrote the whole thing thinking, "WWJayD?" I just switched out Artest and Dale. I think it kinda sounds like you. I, of course, don't believe a word of it.

Why were you in the ER?

ChicagoJ
04-18-2005, 12:13 PM
I attempted to mimic one of your posts exactly. I wrote the whole thing thinking, "WWJayD?" I just switched out Artest and Dale. I think it kinda sounds like you. I, of course, don't believe a word of it.

Why were you in the ER?

I just posted "why" in my YES!! YES!! YES!! thread in The Pub.

When my head's a little clearer, I'll re-read it and probably see the humor. I knew it was directed for me but thanks for the explanation.