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purdue101
04-12-2005, 09:14 PM
i'm a big draft junkie.....i'm interested to hear who each of you would like the pacers to take a look at in the draft. let's assume the pacers pick between 15-20 and that the big names will be gone in the lotto.

if i'm DW i'm looking at a young PF with a big upside like villenueva or an experienced PG, maybe jarret jack outta GT.

Hicks
04-12-2005, 09:32 PM
I think it would be best to draft a PG as insurance, and if not, then a SF as Ron insurance.

Suaveness
04-12-2005, 09:33 PM
Either way they'll be on the IL all year...

skyfire
04-12-2005, 09:44 PM
I'd prefer that DW/LB look to Europe to get a PG and stick with the 'best player available' method for the draft. Presuming we can field the team we want next season, any rookie is only going to get the tiniest amount of minutes. Given that PGs usually take a while to develop, I think getting a player that is ready to contribute at our 3rd PG (tinsley insurance) spot would be better than taking on a draft pick at that spot.

purdue101
04-12-2005, 09:46 PM
i think there will be some quality players that could step in and play for some teams, not the pacers though b/c of their depth.

trading the pick is always an option.

Will Galen
04-12-2005, 09:59 PM
I know next to nothing about players in the draft. I would say Gill is the weakest link that gets substantial minutes on the Pacers. I think taking the best player available will be what happens though.

diamonddave00
04-12-2005, 10:02 PM
I'd not touch Charlie Villanueva. He has talent but no drive. He is very happy to coast along in games. In high school he played with Luol Deng and was never 1/2 the player Deng was as far as effort or effectiveness.

At UConn he'd disappear for long periods in games . To me he's destined to be a very under achieving pro. Add to that at 6'10 he is a very poor rebounder.

TheHotShot31
04-12-2005, 10:11 PM
What do you guys think about Fransico Garcia?

Anthem
04-12-2005, 10:27 PM
If there was ever a draft where we look for the best available player, this would be it.

I don't have the foggiest who that would be, though.

Young
04-12-2005, 10:32 PM
I think the Pacers need to look at pretty much any position. With Tinsley's injury, Reggie's retirement, and Ron's uncertainity.

Here is who I think are possiabilties and what draftnet has to say about them:

- Francisco Garcia
Strengths: The Latin Assassin can fill it up. Garcia has range on his 3 and gets it off quickly and often. Going into Louisville he had a reputation as a shooter but has added a number of dimensions to his game. He has excellent court vision. His work ethic and passion for the game brings an added edge to a team that won 18 games in a row. His heart is as big as they come as he proved with his back to back 24 point games in wins over Seton Hall and #1 Florida in the wake of his brother's passing. Garcia's defense has dramatically improved sincehe played prep school at Winchendon, as he led his team in blocked shots as a 2 guard last season.

Weaknesses: The knock on Garcia is that he is too skinny and weak. Rumor around NYC has people talking that Garcia has added 15 lbs of muscle since the season ended. Athletically Garcia isn't going to fly in and dunk you anyone but with his long body he can cover more ground than you would think. His on ball defense needs to improve to become a great defender at the next level. His in between game from 10-15 feet needs to get better because teams will take away his 3 in the NBA and he isn't able to get all the way to the hole to finish.
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Rudy Fernandez

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/rudyfernandez.asp
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Dijon Thompson

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/dijonthompson.asp
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For the second round pick, Dijon included, i'd look at:

Stefano Mancinelli

http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/stefanomancinelli.asp
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Jermaniac
04-12-2005, 10:33 PM
Joey Graham would be a great pick IMO

TheHotShot31
04-12-2005, 10:35 PM
i wouldnt mind drafting Hakim Warrick.

Anthem
04-12-2005, 10:36 PM
Where's Garcia projected to go?

skyfire
04-12-2005, 11:10 PM
nbadraft.net (http://www.nbadraft.net/index.asp) has him going late in the 1st round at #27

blanket
04-12-2005, 11:15 PM
What do you guys think about Fransico Garcia?

sometimes :drool:, sometimes :unimpress

Skaut_Ech
04-12-2005, 11:35 PM
I'd prefer that DW/LB look to Europe to get a PG and stick with the 'best player available' method for the draft. Presuming we can field the team we want next season, any rookie is only going to get the tiniest amount of minutes. Given that PGs usually take a while to develop, I think getting a player that is ready to contribute at our 3rd PG (tinsley insurance) spot would be better than taking on a draft pick at that spot.

I actually find the draft, and it's prospect pretty boring. I never get into it and the majority of the guys take forever to pan out. I'm with you skyfire, let's just look towards Europe. Matter of fact, I'm really optimistic that we can somehow get Sarunas Jasikevicius. Remember him from the Olympics? He has what we need and most importantly he's really tough and a worker. And talk about crazy three point range.

I don't want another youngster to take up bench space for the next few years. With the age/skill level on this team, I'd rather see us get a guy with comparable skills whom we can throw in the mix right now, to grow with the guys. I'd love to see Sarunas as a SG/PG, with emphasis on SG, even though he has excellent assist skills.

From what I gather, this years draft is unremarkable with the exception that there are a bunch of PGs in it. Trade our pick, whatever...just get me a guy like Sarunsa and I'll be happy.

SycamoreKen
04-13-2005, 12:06 AM
If there isn't a guy they are really in love with, I would say trade the pick and save the cap space. While a back up point would be nice, we may be able to find a servicable vet to play behind AJ without hurting the future.

PacerMan
04-13-2005, 12:25 AM
WHy on earth would we take a 4? We have JERMAINE ONEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Jeff Foster behind him.
Hulk IS going to be our center, so Jermaine will be a 4 from now on.

We need a 2 or a 3.

Can't imagine ANYONE complaining about our backup pg now!

beast23
04-13-2005, 12:26 AM
The Pacers should have an established rotation next season. Up front they should have DD, O'Neal and Foster as the primary players, with Harrison, Croshere and Pollard waiting in the wings. In the backcourt will be Jackson, Tinsley, AJ and Freddie. On the wing, we'll have Artest.

It seems as though SF is the position with the least depth, although Jackson could cover it. Obviously, Bender is still an unknown. And JJ will have to be re-signed.

Reggie will retire, and I think Gill and Edwards are as good as gone.

I would consider our needs to be:
1. Big man capable of scoring in the paint.
2. SF (or a swing man) capable of scoring from the perimeter.
3. A perimeter specialist... either a lights-out shooter or a lock-down defender.

At this point, I would go with Tinsley and AJ as the PGs for next season, with Freddie as the #3 PG. In an emergency, Artest is capable of bringing the ball upcourt and he and/or Jackson could then initiate the offense.

Also, with DD, JO and Foster up front, there aren't many minutes left over for Croshere, Harrison and Pollard. So I would go ahead and package Pollard's expiring contract, possibly with Bender and/or our draft picks, in a trade to bring back a player that can cover one of the needs.

If that is not possible, I would take the best player available that could eventually resolve one of the needs.

sixthman
04-13-2005, 12:32 AM
WHy on earth would we take a 4? We have JERMAINE ONEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And Jeff Foster behind him.
Hulk IS going to be our center, so Jermaine will be a 4 from now on.

Foster is nothing to write home about as a power forward. Bad hands. Not much of a post up game.

Anthem
04-13-2005, 12:42 AM
Foster is nothing to write home about as a power forward. Bad hands. Not much of a post up game.

What? Foster has great hands! And as far as the PF thing goes, if Dale and Foster are on the floor together, which is which?

Foster is just fine up front. He can play matched with any other player in the rotation.

DD-Foster = good
JO-Foster = good
Hulk-Foster = good

rel
04-13-2005, 05:24 PM
i wouldnt mind drafting Hakim Warrick.

im liking the sound of that

"with the ?? pick in the draft, the indiana pacers select hakim warrick from syracuse university"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v303/ucla31/hwcopy.jpg

birdman
04-13-2005, 06:35 PM
I like Ike Diogu out of ASU. He is an extremely talented player with a huge upside (projected #20 nbadraft.net). If Ron goes, then I think Ike could play the 3.

Strengths: Diogu possesses maybe the most refined post-up game in college basketball...Amazing footwork...Very fundamentally sound on the block...Knows how to get himself open...Great at drawing fouls...When he's clicking, he can get an opponent's entire front line in foul trouble......Remarkable free throw shooter (around 90%), which is important because of the amount of times he gets to the line...Good weakside help defender...High basketball awareness...Serviceable perimeter defender but is much more comfortable in the paint...Phenomenal shot blocker for his size...Plays with good intensity...Fantastic rebounder...Terrific hands...Catches nearly every entry pass and comes down with nearly ever rebound...Thick upper body...Once he establishes post position, impossible to push him off his spot...Sets solid picks and rolls to the open spot...Very productive, despite being the primary focus of each opponent’s defensive scheme...Passes well out of the double/triple team...Very coachable...Uses high basketball IQ to make up for lack of lateral footspeed...Great stamina...Seemingly never comes out of the game...Developing a nice perimeter game solid jumper out to the college 3...Very high field goal percentage shooter...Exceptionally long arms...Solid physique...Fantastic body control...

Weaknesses: Lack of height will hurt him at the next level...Listed at 6'8" but might be closer to 6'7"...Not nearly quick enough to play or defend the small forward position at the pro level... You will never see the word "explosive" when reading a Diogu scouting report...Similar game to former Iowa St. star Marcus Fizer and we all know where his pro career ended up...If he's not involved on offense the rest of his game suffers slightly...Not a freak athlete...Not a slug by any means, but doesn't run the floor as well as he should...Not much "upside" left...The player you see now is basically the same player you'll see five years from now, for better or worse...At times, doesn't post up with much authority if his teammates aren't looking his way on every trip down the floor...Like Elton Brand in the NBA, always seems to find himself on losing teams, which isn't his fault entirely but still cause for concern... Lack of solid guard play sometimes limits his number of touches...Lack of quickness hurts his ability to step out and defend opposing guards on the pick and roll...Not a superior ball handler.

Notes: Has scored in double-digits in every game at Arizona State.

ImReppinBtown
04-13-2005, 07:25 PM
Heres my top 5 I think we could get:

1.Ronny Turiaf-Gonzaga

2.Wayne Simien-Kansas

3.Fransisco Garcia-Louisville


4.Channing Frye-Arizona


5.Hakim Warrick-Syracuse


*Possible steal: Rashad McCants-UNC

BigDawg44
04-13-2005, 09:27 PM
- Francisco Garcia
Strengths: The Latin Assassin can fill it up. Garcia has range on his 3 and gets it off quickly and often. Going into Louisville he had a reputation as a shooter but has added a number of dimensions to his game. He has excellent court vision. His work ethic and passion for the game brings an added edge to a team that won 18 games in a row. His heart is as big as they come as he proved with his back to back 24 point games in wins over Seton Hall and #1 Florida in the wake of his brother's passing. Garcia's defense has dramatically improved sincehe played prep school at Winchendon, as he led his team in blocked shots as a 2 guard last season.

Weaknesses: The knock on Garcia is that he is too skinny and weak. Rumor around NYC has people talking that Garcia has added 15 lbs of muscle since the season ended. Athletically Garcia isn't going to fly in and dunk you anyone but with his long body he can cover more ground than you would think. His on ball defense needs to improve to become a great defender at the next level. His in between game from 10-15 feet needs to get better because teams will take away his 3 in the NBA and he isn't able to get all the way to the hole to finish.


too skinny? weak? can shoot the 3.....reggie miller anyone?

Diesel
04-13-2005, 11:48 PM
[QUOTE=rommie]

Weaknesses: The knock on Garcia is that he is too skinny and weak. Rumor around NYC has people talking that Garcia has added 15 lbs of muscle since the season ended. [QUOTE]

There is no way he added 15pds to his frame in 3 weeks and if he did it surely would be 15pds of pure muscle. You are right about Garcia though in that if he adds a mid range game from about 15 or learns to catch and shoot coming off screens he can be an effective player in this league, if he doesn't he'll probably be out of the league in a couple of years.

Kegboy
04-14-2005, 12:38 AM
Weaknesses: The knock on Garcia is that he is too skinny and weak. Rumor around NYC has people talking that Garcia has added 15 lbs of muscle since the season ended.

There is no way he added 15pds to his frame in 3 weeks and if he did it surely would be 15pds of pure muscle. You are right about Garcia though in that if he adds a mid range game from about 15 or learns to catch and shoot coming off screens he can be an effective player in this league, if he doesn't he'll probably be out of the league in a couple of years.

I believe this profile is from last summer, hence the mentioning of games against #1 Florida and such.

From my (very limited) college viewing this year, I think Garcia would be a good choice. I'd really like Williams from Illinois, but I'm afraid he'll be gone before we pick.

SoupIsGood
04-14-2005, 12:53 AM
I like that Ronnie Brewer kid.