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Hicks
03-15-2005, 07:05 AM
I can't believe it takes this long to determine if Jermaine O'Neal needs surgery. This is being stretched out, and I'd love to know why. What is going on?

fwpacerfan
03-15-2005, 07:11 AM
My guess is that JO has seen 2 or 3 doctors and he is getting mixed messages. One says surgery, one says no surgery and the other says "if it hurts when you move it then don't move it." I'm sure he and the Pacers want to do anything to avoid surgery but the longer it goes the more likely surgery will happen, imo.

birdman
03-15-2005, 07:24 AM
He is probably out for the season. My friend went to the Warriors game and sat two rows behind the pacers bench. Some guy asked JO how long he was going to be out and he said I'm out for the season.

Hicks
03-15-2005, 07:26 AM
That makes two seperate accounts of JO telling fans he's out for the season, as much as 4 days ago, yet the Pacers have nothing to say.

Lord Helmet
03-15-2005, 07:31 AM
My guess is what UB said. They are waiting until they get all the people they think they can get to put money down for the playoff tickets and then they will say.

Unclebuck
03-15-2005, 07:37 AM
Because this is a season ending surgery, they are likely wanting to make sure surgery is needed. You know sometimes it is necessary to wait a couple of weeks to determine whether surgery is needed for some injuries.

Stryder
03-15-2005, 07:55 AM
Because this is a season ending surgery, they are likely wanting to make sure surgery is needed. You know sometimes it is necessary to wait a couple of weeks to determine whether surgery is needed for some injuries.


*Ding Ding Ding*

ABADays
03-15-2005, 07:58 AM
Are we about to hear the same thing about Jamaal Tinsley . . . oh, say tomorrow?

fwpacerfan
03-15-2005, 08:53 AM
So who do we draft w/our lottery pick?

ChicagoJ
03-15-2005, 10:19 AM
When I separated my shoulder/ sprained my rotator cuff ...

(Bicycle accident, if I haven't told you guys the story its funny now that my shoulder has healed)

... I underwent something like four-to-six weeks of physical therapy before the swelling had gone down enough for an dye-injected MRI (ouch - and in a closed MRI machine at that... ) to determine if anything was actually torn.

DisplacedKnick
03-15-2005, 10:56 AM
The Pacers have decided to wait until after he has surgery to announce whether he needs surgery or not because, as bad as things have gone for them this year, they want to make sure he doesn't die ...

You guys are seriously cursed this season. It's probably happened before somewhere in pro sports but nothing comes to mind - not on this scale to a contender.

RWB
03-15-2005, 11:15 AM
You guys are seriously cursed this season. It's probably happened before somewhere in pro sports but nothing comes to mind - not on this scale to a contender.

It's that damn Brady Bunch tiki idol I tell you. :devil:

Pistoner
03-15-2005, 11:23 AM
So who do we draft w/our lottery pick?


I recommend staying away from 17 year old 7 foot Serbs

Hicks
03-15-2005, 11:36 AM
Let's nab a kick *** PG. That way when Tinsley hurts something next year, he can step in and take over. :D

beast23
03-15-2005, 11:43 AM
Because this is a season ending surgery, they are likely wanting to make sure surgery is needed. You know sometimes it is necessary to wait a couple of weeks to determine whether surgery is needed for some injuries.Not only that, but also to determine WHAT TYPE of surgery is necessary. Arthroscopic or a full incision. Or for that matter, does he just need extended rest (beyond season's end) or will it require surgery?

More than likely, there's no need to get pissed at anyone over it.

Unfortunately, it is what it is. Time will tell what action is necessary.

beast23
03-15-2005, 11:44 AM
Let's nab a kick *** PG. That way when Tinsley hurts something next year, he can step in and take over. :DOr trade Tinsley and throw-ins for one that may not be as good as Tinsley when he is playing his absolute best. But one that plays near that level and doesn't break down the last third of every season.

Doug
03-15-2005, 12:05 PM
They can go ahead and announce things now. I've renewed my season tickets.

Bball
03-15-2005, 12:10 PM
Not only that, but also to determine WHAT TYPE of surgery is necessary. Arthroscopic or a full incision. Or for that matter, does he just need extended rest (beyond season's end) or will it require surgery?

More than likely, there's no need to get pissed at anyone over it.

Unfortunately, it is what it is. Time will tell what action is necessary.

But in all those scenarios the team could go ahead and announce JO is out for the season....

-Bball

3Ball
03-15-2005, 12:10 PM
I'd like to just take a moment to encourage all Pacer players to LOOK BOTH WAYS WHEN YOU CROSS THE STREET!

By the way, I wonder if there is any way to check if any team from that past has ever matched our total in terms of missed games by projected starters...

Doug
03-15-2005, 12:49 PM
The sad thing is when the Spurs had that awful season they got Tim Duncan in the draft. We can't even implode correctly.

ChicagoJ
03-15-2005, 12:53 PM
And for the record, Bo Hill had taken then deep in the playoffs the previous two seasons (WCF two seasons before).

beast23
03-15-2005, 01:19 PM
But in all those scenarios the team could go ahead and announce JO is out for the season....

-BballThat's true. But I suppose that it is also possible that the Pacers have not announced it because Sandy Kunkel hasn't declared him out for the season yet.

obnoxiousmodesty
03-15-2005, 02:29 PM
So who do we draft w/our lottery pick?
I don't think the Pacers will be in the lottery. I think they'll fall somewhere between 15-18. Seven college players come to my mind, some of which are underclassmen and may not declare. I'm looking at players who can play small forward, some perhaps who could potentially do spot duty at PF or SG. In order of my preference...

Adam Morrison (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=15399) 6'8" 205 SF (Gonzaga)
Joey Graham (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=3421) 6'7" 225 SF (Oklahoma St.)
Ronny Turiaf (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=6585) 6'9" 245 PF/SF (Gonzaga)
Danny Granger (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=6194) 6'8" 225 SF (New Mexico)
Antoine Wright (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11269) 6'7" 205 SG (Texas A&M)
Wayne Simien (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5328) 6'8" 255 PF (Kansas)
Charlie Villanueva (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=15342) 6'11" SF (Connecticut)

NotLosingButWinning
03-15-2005, 03:07 PM
I don't think the Pacers will be in the lottery. I think they'll fall somewhere between 15-18. Seven college players come to my mind, some of which are underclassmen and may not declare. I'm looking at players who can play small forward, some perhaps who could potentially do spot duty at PF or SG. In order of my preference...

Adam Morrison (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=15399) 6'8" 205 SF (Gonzaga)
Joey Graham (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=3421) 6'7" 225 SF (Oklahoma St.)
Ronny Turiaf (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=6585) 6'9" 245 PF/SF (Gonzaga)
Danny Granger (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=6194) 6'8" 225 SF (New Mexico)
Antoine Wright (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=11269) 6'7" 205 SG (Texas A&M)
Wayne Simien (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=5328) 6'8" 255 PF (Kansas)
Charlie Villanueva (http://sports-att.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=15342) 6'11" SF (Connecticut)


i didn't think morison was coming out.....graham and turiaf have been impressive this year.

sweabs
03-15-2005, 05:02 PM
I recommend staying away from 17 year old 7 foot Serbs

That's hillarious. I often wonder what would have happened if that Pistons pick was something like #4, #5 instead of #2. Perhaps another team would have taken Darko, forcing the Pistons to take a guy like Bosh or Wade....

:uhoh:

obnoxiousmodesty
03-15-2005, 05:06 PM
Odds are Morrison is going to stay at Gonzaga for at least another year, but if he comes out, I hope the Pacers grab him. He's going to be a fantastic player.

Doug
03-15-2005, 05:16 PM
That's hillarious. I often wonder what would have happened if that Pistons pick was something like #4, #5 instead of #2. Perhaps another team would have taken Darko, forcing the Pistons to take a guy like Bosh or Wade....

:uhoh:

Or if somebody had taken Bender before us. We might have been forced to settle for, oh, Shawn Marion.

Pacerized
03-15-2005, 09:16 PM
You're right, it is ridiculous to take this long. This may sound paranoid, but I think they know the extent of the injury, if it requires surgery, and how likely it is for J.O. to return. I'm not sure why they're holding out on releasing this to the general public.
I also think it ridiculous that Stern blew off the ESPN chat last week, and still hasn't given any answers to the questions, more specifically the one about Artest.
It just seems that the fans are being strung along to get the most out of us that they can this year.

Hicks
03-15-2005, 09:57 PM
Pacers.com has an "update".

http://www.nba.com/pacers/news/oneal_050315.html

Pacers Donít Expect OíNeal Back Soon

By Conrad Brunner | March 15, 2005

O'Neal
Jermaine O'Neal is eligible to be activated from the injured list as the Pacers open a three-game homestand against Utah Wednesday night, but it isn't going to happen.

In fact, the team is preparing to play without its three-time All-Star forward player indefinitely.

"He's going to be out for awhile," Coach Rick Carlisle said Tuesday after practice. "I have no idea when, or if, he will return.


Carlisle

"His situation continues to be monitored and as the swelling goes down we'll be able to make a better determination as to exactly where he is."

O'Neal suffered the partial dislocation and sprain of his right shoulder in a March 3 loss to Denver. While going in for a dunk, O'Neal's arm was hit from the side and bent backward by Nuggets forward Francisco Elson. He was placed on the injured list the next day and has missed the last five games. Though surgery apparently remains an option, Carlisle said "that decision has not been made as of yet." O'Neal left without comment.

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I want to just believe Rick and be done with it, but Jermaine is one of the most honest and accessable players in the league when it comes to talking with the media. Suddenly he's Mr. No Comment. That's extremely suspicious to me.

indygeezer
03-15-2005, 10:39 PM
OK, I can buy that. The swelling is too much to make an accurate projection yet. Logical and proper. I have no beef with the JO handling.

Spicoli
03-15-2005, 10:48 PM
OK, I can buy that. The swelling is too much to make an accurate projection yet. Logical and proper. I have no beef with the JO handling.

I had beef for dinner. Good times.


It's a logical explanation, yes. Still a little suspicious that JO is not (or has not been allowed to) talk w/ the media. Mildly suspicious.

indygeezer
03-15-2005, 10:51 PM
Spic ol' buddy think of it...it's nearly gobbler season...JO wants to be a tree people that's all. :D

Spicoli
03-15-2005, 11:00 PM
Spic ol' buddy think of it...it's nearly gobbler season...JO wants to be a tree people that's all. :D

I'm practicing my diaphragm call as we speak....

Wait, that didn't sound good.

I'm knocking down a bird this year though. I'll fry some up and send it over to the geezer residence. :D


Also, JO may be tall enough that he doesn't even need a stand. :mad:

Los Angeles
03-16-2005, 12:55 AM
Call me crazy, but I think this is proof positive that at least the PR people are watching the fan boards to "test the weather" in terms of fan concerns. This is just one of a few Bruno pieces that have dealt directly with issues strongly discussed here.

I know that there will always be similarities, as there is only so much to talk about when it comes to a single basketball team. But lately it's almost like they insert specific quotes to quell specific concerns on the boards (not just this one).

Too many coincidences. People are reading. F'sho.

DrBadd01
03-16-2005, 01:36 AM
I hate to not see the pacers in the playoffs, however, . . . seeing andrew Bogut in a a pacers jersey does bring a simle to my face.

indygeezer
03-16-2005, 07:39 AM
I'm practicing my diaphragm call as we speak....

Wait, that didn't sound good.

I'm knocking down a bird this year though. I'll fry some up and send it over to the geezer residence. :D


Also, JO may be tall enough that he doesn't even need a stand. :mad:


That has been archived...I'm holding ya to it. :D :D

fwpacerfan
03-17-2005, 07:25 AM
Watching JO on the bench last night I got the feeling that the Pacers are holding out hope that he can recover enough to play in the playoffs. His arm wasn't in a sling last night, which could be a good sign.

grace
03-17-2005, 05:12 PM
I haven't seen him wear a sling since the first game after it happened. He didn't even wear it the whole game. I did see him on the news wearing one during practice. My question is if there's so much swelling that they can't tell how injured he is should he really be practicing, aggravating it, and making it swell more?:shrug: